OK Serious Topic Here: How many of YOU are between the ages of 18 and 26? Are YOU ready to go to WAR?

[NoShitThereIWas 0]

I'm not sure if anyone has posted on this yet ... or if I am allowed to make a post like this, someone please let me know if I'm not. (Last I knew though, was we live in a country where we have freedom of speech) I don't usually come to this sight to read about politics so I generally tend to stay away from political/war threads. But I thought this was important enough to post.

Here it goes: (this is what I gathered anyway)

According to the Information Clearing House in Vancouver Canada, the US Congress is in the process of having the draft re-enacted. This draft would be for ALL people, MALE AND FEMALE between the ages of 18 and 26.

I'm not sure if this is old news to any of you but because it is not being published in the media for obvious reasons, (eventhough it is public record) I thought it would be good to post here. Anyhow, the issue of the upcoming draft is set to be heard in 2004 JUST FOLLOWING THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION and could go into effect in 2005.

Everyone please check this out. The Bills before the House are S89 and HR163 and they ARE CURRENTLY PENDING legislation.

According to some resources I am going to list at the end of this thread, the US has already made plans with Canada to restrict their borders and be on the lookout for "draft dodgers". If you are in college and are drafted, you will be able to finish your current academic semester and then would be considered ACTIVE DUTY after that.

I am not a Republican or a Democrat so I don't propose or prophesize about politics. If anything I am just a liberal, but seeing where this administration and Congress are leading us we might as well be aware of it and choose wisely this election unless you are ready to go off to war or Mommy or Daddy are in the upper political crust.

This draft is being propelled by Donald Rumsfeld's statement that we are in "a PERMANENT state of war against terrorism." The only way I think you would be able to dodge the draft would be to wind up in the slammer.

We need to ask ourselves, do we want the United States to be in a permanent state of war? What exactly are we going to war for? Is it REALLY because of terrorism?

Nazi Germany was in a permanent state of war when Hitler was in power ...

Did you know that the US has already spent 81 BILLION DOLLARS to fight the current war in Iraq AND we need an estimated 150 BILLION MORE??? And, have you noticed that the media has not mentioned lately about the current death toll of US soldiers?

Nope, but how many of us know about Janet Jackson's breasts at the Superbowl?

Some sources of this draft issue can be found on:

Google Search: S89

http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/105146.php

www.Portside.com

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm

Happy Reading.

Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires."

Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say."

[DShiznit 0]

Well....... here is my take on it:

I'm 26, already served my time, thank you.

[NoShitThereIWas 0]

And I am 30 and I see your point. Thanks for serving for our country. But it is one thing when you volunteer to go to war and another to be drafted.

Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires."

Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say."

[TribalTalon 0]

heres mine:

What??? what?? cant hear ya. (i'm deaf and uneligible)

[crapflinger2000 1]

I support the draft. Everyone should serve. However, you should have the option of serving in the military or in some sort of Civilian Service Corps or something, or something in between where you provide security at airports, ports, nuclear facilities, etc etc.

Also, it will give those in support of the Iraq war, who are "sacrificing" so much while other people and other people's sons and daughters are getting wasted in Iraq an opportunity to shit or get off the pot.

PLUS it will provide some much-needed bodies for the REAL war on terror going on in Afghanistan and the other un-named battlefields in the world right now.

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[NoShitThereIWas 0]

LOL

Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires."

Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say."

[DShiznit 0]

But if they did enable the draft and draftees got to select what they want to do, we'd have 150,000 airport security specialists, and 26 infantryman....

[skygod7777 0]

i'm not old enough yet

so i have 2 years to not worry about it.

lata

[benny 0]

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But if they did enable the draft and draftees got to select what they want to do, we'd have 150,000 airport security specialists, and 26 infantryman....

that's obviously not true or they wouldn't have been able to go this far in the war without the draft. personally I'd be happy with a civil service requirement of which the military would be one option. There are alot of projects in the US that need working on and alot of young people who need jobs. Crapflinger is just like PhillyKev, right on!

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[osuskydiver 0]

I agree with Crapflinger on the draft part. I support the draft and I also believe everyone should serve, even if it is the reserves.

I was ready to go when my unit was called up, personally I had other orders so I did not go, but I was ready.
the 391st MP Bn is currently on month 2 of an 18 month deployment in Iraq.

With all the deployments Active and Reserve going on I see a MASS EXODUS in the near future of our armed forces. The military is understaffed and needs more americans willing to serve their country.

By the time you read this you have already read it.

[DaGimp 0]

im 24 and ready to go whenever my unit sends me....have been begging to go...as long as i dont miss the WFFC this year

"Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas

[diablopilot 2]

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I support the draft. Everyone should serve. However, you should have the option of serving in the military or in some sort of Civilian Service Corps or something, or something in between where you provide security at airports, ports, nuclear facilities, etc etc.

Damnit, I was just gonna write something like this. Right on, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.

I think every US citizen should have to contribute in some way. Maybe when someon turns 18 the have to serve in s military or civil program set up like the National Guard. If they don't want to be militay, make em' a park ranger, or something 1 weekend a month for a year.

The only reason I didn't serve was I tried enlisting after the Gulf War and there was a major downsize going on. The flunked me on the physical (Navy) for a Vericose Vein in my leg. If I knew then what I do now, I would have tried harder to beat it.

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[Nightingale 0]

I'm ineligible. I have medication I have to take daily, and therefore do not qualify.

kinda ironic thing is, if I finish law school, they'll get me a medical waiver if I want to go JAG. I guess the reasoning is that JAGs seldom end up in the middle of nowhere with no access to meds. Either that or they really need lawyers.

[osuskydiver 0]

hey look, dagimp is one post behind me, and 1 number behind me on the D liscense. cool.

As long as your able I think people could do 3 years giving up one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year, if they dropped the time of service for reserves and made it a requirement to serve.

But I also agree with working in civil service somehow with the military as an option.

By the time you read this you have already read it.

[DaGimp 0]

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hey look, dagimp is one post behind me, and 1 number behind me on the D liscense. cool.

Sweet

"Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas

[diablopilot 2]

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they'll get me a medical waiver if I want to go JAG.

Maybe they just think you'd look cute in uniform!

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[jsaxton 0]

Oh goodie goodie, let's see it we can tank the economy even more and piss off the rest of the world

[DShiznit 0]

Dude, it was meant as a joke.

I fully support the draft was well. I believe everyone should "give back" a little for their country as well.

[benny 0]

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Dude, it was meant as a joke.

I fully support the draft was well. I believe everyone should "give back" a little for their country as well.

Sorry, beer is beginning to affect my ability to differentiate...

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[crapflinger2000 1]

I don't think it would be that lopsided but I am sure there could be some quota thing.... it's all pie in the sky BS anyway...

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[jdhill 0]

Those bills have been in committee for over a year, and is still in a sub-commmittee in the House (along with 94 other items of legislation)... it is not anywhere on the congressional calendar (HoR or Senate)... I doubt it will go anywhere, anytime soon...

I think the concept of national service is a good one, and further think that everyone should serve in the military, but thats just me, and I don't th ink it will happen, at least not in this form...

Alot of people, including many in the Congress (from both sides) are getting a little tired of things being forced through on the basis of national or homeland security, I know I am.

Congress would better spend their time revisiting the Patriot Act. I also think GWB needs to seriously consider some personnel changes for his next cabinet, specifically Rummy and Asscroft, maybe even Ridge.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[MarkM 0]

Post the (reputable)links that show Congress is trying to pass this.

The military itself doesn't want a draft because a voluntary armed force is much more effective than a conscripted one. And unless we're going up against China any time soon, I don't see where we're currently lacking in troop numbers.

It's been brought up before by one or two larks, but Congress has always shot the subject down.

[benny 0]

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Congress would better spend their time revisiting the Patriot Act. I also think GWB needs to seriously consider some personnel changes for his next cabinet, specifically Rummy and Asscroft, maybe even Ridge.

J

But then it would be like a whole new president. At least on the Rummy and Asscroft, Ridge, well, maybe it was alot easier being governor of PA... That man just doesn't seem to have a clue.

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[jdhill 0]

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I don't see where we're currently lacking in troop numbers.

You may want to look a little harder... the military, specifically ground forces, are way over committed.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[kiltboy 0]

I wasn't going to comment as I'm not a US citizen but sod it.

I think the draft is a bad idea. I believe that anyone that says there are no opportunities can be shown either civil or military service as an option but shouldn't be legally required to do it.

Just my 2 cents.

David