WFFC 1 #26 February 13, 2004 It's more than a gun problem...that's just the side effect of the alleged domestic issue.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPsycho 0 #27 February 13, 2004 QuoteIt's more than a gun problem...that's just the side effect of the alleged domestic issue. but the original post was about his second ammendment rights being violated........hence the gun problem and my reply. oh sorry, i forgot we dont stay on topics here _______________________________ HK MP5SD.........silence is golden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #28 February 13, 2004 They don't just come and take your weapons away for no reason. Definitly more to the story. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #29 February 13, 2004 QuoteOh yeah, my advice: GET A LAWYER, NOW !!! Get a really aggressive one, ask your local NRA to recommend one by name. Some twenty years back, a gang of druggies tried to kick down my brother's door in San Diego. He opened fire with a HK-91. So guess who got arrested and had all his guns confiscated ? The NRA put him onto a bellicose attny who got all charges dropped and weapons returned in about two weeks. In the meantime, his friends loaned him a few in case the lowlifes returned (they didn't). Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #30 February 13, 2004 QuoteSo the crazy bitch I broke up with about a month ago fucked me over. She's been calling me, harassing me, asking me to take her back, etc.... Today I was served with a temporary protection from abuse order....she claimed I came after her with a gun. I haven't even seen her since mid January. Part of the order was to turn any and all firearms in my posession over to the sherrif. I haven't even been charged with a crime, or had a hearing. The hearing is Tuesday to make it a permanent order, which would probably last for a year. So, right now, I've been disarmed by the state because of the hearsay of a psycho, and may lose the right to own a gun for the next year. Fortunately, I have about a dozen answering machine messages saved of her screaming, calling me names, and threatening to make my life hell. This is fucked up!!!! ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS??? They cant do that! Dude, thats like them saying "turn over all your cars and any other vehicles you drive so you wont run over somebody" Have any of these idiots ever heard of "due process", the second ammendment, ect.? They cant just confiscate someones property just for the hell of it, or because someone wants to accuse you of something, thats ridiculous! Okay, advice... 1. Get a lawyer if you dont already have one, and 2. Take your firearms to another state and lock them up in storage. 3. They dont have jurisdiction in another state, so they cant search the storage unit for firearms. Fucking unbelievable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumprunner 0 #31 February 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteOh yeah, my advice: GET A LAWYER, NOW !!! Get a really aggressive one, ask your local NRA to recommend one by name. Some twenty years back, a gang of druggies tried to kick down my brother's door in San Diego. He opened fire with a HK-91. So guess who got arrested and had all his guns confiscated ? The NRA put him onto a bellicose attny who got all charges dropped and weapons returned in about two weeks. In the meantime, his friends loaned him a few in case the lowlifes returned (they didn't). And get a Thompson semiautomatic....you know, the "Tommy gun"? Noice! Yea, got my eye on one for $950, uses a 30 rd mag and takes a drum (if you can afford a drum, 500-900 bucks for just one, but they hold 100 rds) Damn if they just dont make em like they used to....also look for the Colt 1911A1, and Colt SAA 6' barrel if you can afford one. Got the 1911, refurbished, issued in WWII, just sold a Colt 45 SAA New Frontier for 750 (needed the money) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #32 February 13, 2004 QuoteThey cant do that! Dude, thats like them saying "turn over all your cars and any other vehicles you drive so you wont run over somebody" Have any of these idiots ever heard of "due process", the second ammendment, ect.? They cant just confiscate someones property just for the hell of it, or because someone wants to accuse you of something, thats ridiculous! Supreme Court says they can, especially for alledged domestics. Due process for property confiscation went out with the seventies. Catch up with the times.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPsycho 0 #33 February 13, 2004 ok, apparently, some people dont understand just how fucked up the government can be, and some of the shit they can do to you...... im not going to go into "domestic violence" and confiscation of firearms, because the laws vary from state to state, but......there are federal firearm laws that do apply to all states. part of the 1994 federal crime bill makes it a federal offense for anyone who is subject to a domestic violence restraining order to purchase or transport firearms until the restraining order is removed. (dosent mean the state laws wont keep them from just coming in, and taking all of your weapons and let the court system sort it out) heres another one. under the lautenberg domestic violence misdemeanor gun ban, individuals with misdemeanor convictions for domestic violence related offenses also became retroactively disqualified from owning firearms.because of this, apparently tens of thousands of law enforcement and military personnel have lost jobs.even organizations like the fop who supported clintons reelect have brought legal charges against the law. i could go on and on but im finished here and not going to go into a big gun debate thing....i try to stay out of this kind of shit. its just that the whole bogus "domestic violence" thing pisses me off because of what they can do and how you become pretty much guilty and are violated without so much as the slightest bit of proof. all they have to do is take the word of the accuser and poof, they can legally confiscate every gun you own. _______________________________ HK MP5SD.........silence is golden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #34 February 13, 2004 QuoteUnfortunately yes Reread the posts, they were comparing two separate incidents. In my case, the woman went after a guy with a gun, and she kept her guns. In this case, Philly didn't do anything [I'll take his word for this one] and his guns are gone. This is equal rights? When a woman does it they laugh, but a guy they tell him to turn em in.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #35 February 13, 2004 That really sucks man, sorry to hear it. I had one of my guns confiscated once(but not the rest of them) as "evidence" after an incident...but they told me I'd never get it back. I got a lawyer(called the NRA for a recommendation) and had my gun back within a week. Call the NRA. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #36 February 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteNote to self - don't date crazy women. Note to self - PM John and tell him they are all crazy, just some more then others. indeed there is a scale, tis best to avoid those who's average daily number is over 7... this chick sounds like a 9....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #37 February 13, 2004 Just the first link I found. You know what to do. Find yourself a bulldog and set him loose. http://www.geocities.com/admiralty_lawyer/dfenders.htmwitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #38 February 13, 2004 Quoteheres another one. under the lautenberg domestic violence misdemeanor gun ban, individuals with misdemeanor convictions for domestic violence related offenses also became retroactively disqualified from owning firearms. they can actually be disqualified from even having a firearm in the house they live in...even if it doenst belong to them... we've gone way past reasonable with the 'domestic violence' repercussions...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #39 February 13, 2004 QuoteAnd get a Thompson semiautomatic.... Dude, they just ordered him to turn in all his guns. He can't transport or buy any new ones. Wake up and smell the bureaucracy.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #40 February 13, 2004 QuoteSo the crazy bitch I broke up with about a month ago fucked me over. She's been calling me, harassing me, asking me to take her back, etc.... Today I was served with a temporary protection from abuse order....she claimed I came after her with a gun. I haven't even seen her since mid January. Part of the order was to turn any and all firearms in my posession over to the sherrif. I haven't even been charged with a crime, or had a hearing. The hearing is Tuesday to make it a permanent order, which would probably last for a year. So, right now, I've been disarmed by the state because of the hearsay of a psycho, and may lose the right to own a gun for the next year. Fortunately, I have about a dozen answering machine messages saved of her screaming, calling me names, and threatening to make my life hell. This is fucked up!!!! Damn liberal judges. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #41 February 13, 2004 QuoteThey don't just come and take your weapons away for no reason. Definitly more to the story. You must be new. "They don't just come and take away your [insert civil right here]?!" How far is YOUR head into the sand? That is EXACTLY what these laws are set up to do. Oh, in a literal sense, you're right -- they don't do it for "no" reason. The "reason" they use in these cases is the bullshit story from some psycho-bitch with a chip on her shoulder. You obviously have no idea of what the law does allow in this kind of ridiculous case. Kev, I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. Good luck in getting it resolved. Make sure a judge hears those recordings -- and get more if you can. See if you can bait her into saying "Nah nahh, I got them to take your guns away!" It's absolutely fucking moronic that they will take away a person's guns if there's an order of protection, but they don't take away your baseball bats, your kitchen knives, your gas can, your car... It's as if they're fuckin' pretending that taking away but ONE of the things you could use to kill somebody is gonna prevent you from murdering them. Just asinine. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #42 February 13, 2004 Kevin, sorry to hear all that crap about the restraining order. It happens, and I don't understand why didn;t you go to court after the violent episode with her a few days or weeks back. What is done is done. Document every day of what you do, whom you are with, at all times as possible. In my case it was me filing an order against the whacko, but in that situation, men still on the losing end. IT sucks but it is reality. So, get a copy of the police report, have those tapes transcribed by a court approved party, so that way you can have some work done before your court order. And if it does not bother you, when you go to court, try having the jude vacate your order, by a request of one of yours against her. better you having the protection, once you have proof she is the one menacing you. Tell them that you are afraid she will go to your house and harm you, and that you are really concerned about your well being. No bullshit no quarters. It can work for us too, don't let the lawyer agree with anything less than that or else you will be screwed...... Good luck."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #43 February 13, 2004 Thanks everyone...in response to a couple things... - I already turned them in. Don't need any more trouble than I have, and really at this moment that's the least of my worries. - No, there's not more to the story. The standard form they filled out and gave to me says temporary restraining order and has a check box for "You must turn all firerms into the Sheriff immediately." -I'm definitely getting a lawyer first thing. -Yeah, I should have gotten one served against her but thought I was being a nice guy. -No, I won't be baiting her as someone suggested. If I contact her at all, even through a third party, I get to go to jail for 6 months and pay a large fine. -This is really fucked up. I've never been arrested or even accused of anything ever before. Hopefully I can get this rectified without shelling out too much money on attorneys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpinDoctor 0 #44 February 13, 2004 Quote turn any and all firearms in What was that post again about crazy Europeans? ----------------------- Connextion: British 8 Way Team www.bodyflight.co.uk ----------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #45 February 13, 2004 Just reviewed the messages from her again....exact quote from one of them is: "I'm going to wait outside your house for you to get home. I'm going to make sure that I fuck your life up." Hopefully that alone will be enough to exhonerate me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #46 February 13, 2004 Well, then you porbably have a hearing within the next 10 business day, and the judge will decide to either vacate it or make it stand. See the options of you requesting hers to be vacated, and having one of yours instated, that way, she will not even be able to call you. At this point she prob will call you and harass you a little more........."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #47 February 13, 2004 Quote"I'm going to wait outside your house for you to get home. I'm going to make sure that I fuck your life up." Wow. Why is she so mad at you?She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #48 February 13, 2004 Because I broke up with her.....wonder why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #49 February 13, 2004 QuoteBecause I broke up with her.....wonder why? LOL...you're that good? The women around here are going to look at you in a whole new way now! She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #50 February 13, 2004 Not really, there are way too many women these days, that are out for revenge when things are not on their terms."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
