wingnut 0 #1 February 20, 2004 okay well i'm pretty omputer avy but when it comes to networing i have only a slight idea.... so here is my question to you all.... i have a new computer i'm building and it has internal dsl and cable modems.. i want to share my internet conection with another computer(laptop) in another room... i'm going the wired route cuz well i already have nic cards in both machines.(bult in) i know this would be very easy if i had an external modem for the dsl.cable but wel i don't so what do i need to get to link em togethe and share the conection on my main machine??? a hub?? i have no idea... "throw me a freekin bone here will ya" ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sneaky 0 #2 February 20, 2004 easy no worry`s... buy a 4 port dsl hub then use a long ethernet cable and run it in... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #3 February 20, 2004 Quotebuy a 4 port dsl hub you mean a normal 4 port netwok hub right??? or is there something else special.. i want to beable to use it for both my dsl and cable mdems.... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #4 February 20, 2004 Quoteeasy no worry`s... buy a 4 port dsl hub then use a long ethernet cable and run it in... Not sure.... He needs to connect the 2nd computer on the ethernet side of the dsl modem. Wingy: does you modem have an output CAT 5 cable connection too, not just the IN phone line or cable? EDIT: I'm sire my terms arent right... but I'm pretty sure my undertsanding of the issue is.... basically, you need to have ----phone line/cable ---> modem---> hub---> computer(s)Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuvToFly 0 #5 February 20, 2004 Whenever there is a laptop involved I always recommend going wireless. The cost of the hubs and the cards are so low now, that it make sense. You really defeat the portable aspect of your laptop when you have to hard wire it in, and if you have to buy wireless later - you will double pay. Get a wireless hub with 4 hard wire ports in it. Then you can have to best of both worlds. Then you can hardwire the desktop and put a wireless card in the laptop - Drop me a PM if you need information on how to get all of this to play together nice - TOM "The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #6 February 20, 2004 another bit of information is missing: is your account set up for only 1 computer? i.e. one IP address? if so you will have to use your desktop machine as a proxy server or get dsl/cable modem with NAT built in. more info needed ya nut.namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #7 February 20, 2004 Quotewith NAT built in. Most hubs are. Even the cheap ones at Costco! lolRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuvToFly 0 #8 February 20, 2004 Quoteanother bit of information is missing: is your account set up for only 1 computer? i.e. one IP address? if so you will have to use your desktop machine as a proxy server or get dsl/cable modem with NAT built in. more info needed ya nut. ISP's are generally not giving out multiple simultaneous IP unless you pay addition charges per IP number. It also involves going to static IP in some cases with ISP's. All the equipment is DHCP at this point - and he shouldn't need anything additional at least on the hub end to serve up multiple computers. "The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #9 February 20, 2004 Quoteanother bit of information is missing: is your account set up for only 1 computer? i.e. one IP address? if so you will have to use your desktop machine as a proxy server or get dsl/cable modem with NAT built in. more info needed ya nut. yup only 1 ip address.... so i got to find one with "nat"? luv2fly, going wired because both my laptop and desktop already have lan cards on em... not really going to use the laptop as portable, it's just going in another room so my roomate can use the internet on it..... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 February 20, 2004 >Most hubs are. Even the cheap ones at Costco! Hubs are dumb and only deal in layer 1 packets, where switches are Layer 2 and 3, and Routers are layer 3. You need a layer 3 device to do NAT.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #11 February 20, 2004 Fine. Be that way. I meant router. The cheap Costco ones still have it Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #12 February 20, 2004 All your answers shall be revealed. http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/freeshare.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuvToFly 0 #13 February 20, 2004 Quoteluv2fly, going wired because both my laptop and desktop already have lan cards on em... not really going to use the laptop as portable, it's just going in another room so my roomate can use the internet on it..... I just got done working with a client who started the same way - and after a couple of times tripping over the cable, they went wireless. The point there was - if you have a portable computer - you will want to roam around, on battery or whatever. All my laptops have NICs in them, but all are wireless as I find I can get a lot more done if I am not restricted to one location - But you will have to evaluate your individual needs. Still, with the wireless units sporting 4 10/100 ports for very cheap, might want to invest the mere few dollars more to plan for that flexibility in the future - "The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #14 February 20, 2004 Quotemight want to invest the mere few dollars more to plan for that flexibility in the future - Agreed... but still, how do you connect the router to the modem if the modem is built in???Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #15 February 20, 2004 To be technical....the full name for a switch is a "switching hub", and there are also intelligent hubs. All of which are hubs. But, when you get to layer 3 and NAT, they you're talking router and have left the world of hubs behind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #16 February 20, 2004 thanks kev, looks like i'll probly go with an inxpensive hub and do the proxy route...... as for triping over cables well it's going to be run under the floor and up to the computer.... as for roaming.. the machine will sit in one place all the time.... only time i an see this machine ever mooving is when itake it to wffc... and then i might get a wifi card... maybe not... depends on what kind of setup phree can try and hok us up with....lol... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuvToFly 0 #17 February 20, 2004 QuoteQuotemight want to invest the mere few dollars more to plan for that flexibility in the future - Agreed... but still, how do you connect the router to the modem if the modem is built in??? Cable/DSL modems should have Ethernet port, whether built in, or external. You tie into the router through there - "The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #18 February 20, 2004 Thx... that wasnt clear to me for a built in.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #19 February 20, 2004 Quotethanks kev, looks like i'll probly go with an inxpensive hub and do the proxy route...... as for triping over cables well it's going to be run under the floor and up to the computer.... as for roaming.. the machine will sit in one place all the time.... only time i an see this machine ever mooving is when itake it to wffc... and then i might get a wifi card... maybe not... depends on what kind of setup phree can try and hok us up with....lol... a lot of ISP's sniff for NAT these days so they can make you pay for multiple PC's. some don't. good luck.namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 February 20, 2004 Quotea lot of ISP's sniff for NAT these days so they can make you pay for multiple PC's. some don't. good luck. They do that by checking to see if the MAC address of the pc connected to the modem is for a pc or a router. Most DSL/Cable routers allow you to spoof the mac address of a pc connected to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #21 February 20, 2004 I did something similar at my house. We had an external cable modem though, and so I bought a $40 router, plugged it into the cable modem, and then plugged both computers into the router. I think you will need to get a router, most of them are good quality for $30-$50, they come with 4 slots, and they come with free software that does all the IP stuff. basically you plug in all the stuff, and run the software... it does the rest. we didn't have to pay the internet people any more money or anything like that. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
