Michele 1 #1 February 20, 2004 Supposedly, RN is going to make yet another run for Pres. Should make the race even that more interesting. He may be announcing on Russer's program this weekend.... Should he run? Shouldn't he run? Is he a serious contender, or a secret weapon of the Republicans? LOL, and yet another twist in the Election '04 adventure/soundbyte competition.... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 February 20, 2004 We're polarized enough that any appeal by one party to the middle will be offset by losing their extremists as a result. IMO The real decider might just come by having someone pick away at the nut jobs at the extremes this time. So a Nader or a Buchanan type would likely have a big effect. I'm thinking the swing vote is in the single digit percentages this time. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #3 February 20, 2004 Call George Bush and ask him to support Ralph right now Michele, all you dreams will come true, after all he handed your boy the election in 2000. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #4 February 20, 2004 QuoteCall George Bush and ask him to support Ralph right now Michele, all you dreams will come true, after all he handed your boy the election in 2000. WTF? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #5 February 20, 2004 bush bribed him to run.namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 February 20, 2004 Oh, Benny's just noting that Nader ate up the Gore margin and that the Supreme Court just upheld the true results of the Florida ballot count even after Gore's team had 3 or 4 recounts where he lost all of them (even without absentee ballots....) Let's see what that does....It's kind of a drive by poking for a few people here. ((And I have no idea if the Nader affect actually swung any states any more than the Buchanan effect. But quite a few state were tight so it's likely)) Doesn't matter, ancient history. How big a swing vote do you think is out there (I'm thinking between 4 and 8%)? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #7 February 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteCall George Bush and ask him to support Ralph right now Michele, all you dreams will come true, after all he handed your boy the election in 2000. WTF? Ciels- Michele Whhaddya mean WTF? This is what you want isn't it? Or are we feigning impartiality again. We all know that if the people who voted for Nader in Florida in 2000 had voted for Gore, we wouldn't be having this discussion... so, call George, I'm sure he's got some boys who will be happy to give Ralph some money under the table. Then he can take away just enough of the democrats ultra-left support that we'll have another four years of GWB. In the meantime, I'll take the suggestion of a PM I got and move to France.... If I can only find a girl there who shaves Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #8 February 20, 2004 QuoteHow big a swing vote do you think is out there (I'm thinking between 4 and 8%)? I am not too sure....although I think it's likely this election will see a larger than average turn out. As to the swing vote percentage, I've heard as low as 5%, and as high as 15%. It could get very interesting, as you originally stated, with the extremists being pulled away from the "traditional" position. I'm not really sure what this will do. Shoot, it's not even sure he's running; however, the dnc, from what I understand, are "in talks" w/ Nader to dissuade him from running. That tells me there is a perceived threat from Nader to whomever is the candidate from the Dems. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 February 20, 2004 Quotethe dnc, from what I understand, are "in talks" w/ Nader to dissuade [/eply] I doubt Nader will be a tool for either party so it's goofy to the dems to try and dissuade and goofy for the Rep to try and convince Nader to do anything. 'bribe' Nader - Benny that's just goofy, any evidence to even consider that bit of chum is worth taking seriously enough for someone to bite? Or do you just assume that all people are inherently evil and crooked until you decide otherwise? I think most politicians, like most people, have good intentions, just different theories about how to get the job done. I'm hoping I'm not a minority in this, but it looks like it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #10 February 20, 2004 QuoteWe're polarized enough that any appeal by one party to the middle will be offset by losing their extremists as a result. IMO I'm not sure about your polarization theory. Article in WSJ today about how a large portion of non-national level Republican office holders are splitting from the national party line and endorsing tax increases and it's pissing off GWB and the RNC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #11 February 20, 2004 QuoteI'm not sure about your polarization theory. Article in WSJ today about how a large portion of non-national level Republican office holders are splitting from the national party line and endorsing tax increases and it's pissing off GWB and the RNC. I don't see how GWB can talk what with supporting all the spending increases. Congress just can't seem to cut spending - regardless of party affiliation. Cowards. And wasn't speaking about office holders so much as just voters. And it doesn't seem that office holders seem to be a representative sample of the general voting public anymore so much as representative of the swing votes they are trying to buy. {{{maybe I don't think they are as good intentioned as I originally thought}}} Edit: In any case, I'd rather presidential candidates would just establish their positions up front and stick to them regardless of the impact to the next election or whatever. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #12 February 20, 2004 QuoteEdit: In any case, I'd rather presidential candidates would just establish their positions up front and stick to them regardless of the impact to the next election or whatever. hahahahahahaahahahaahaha Sorry....yeah, and I'd like a million dollars and Britney Spears under my desk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #13 February 20, 2004 I hope he wins. I know he won't. But i hope he does.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #14 February 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteEdit: In any case, I'd rather presidential candidates would just establish their positions up front and stick to them regardless of the impact to the next election or whatever. hahahahahahaahahahaahaha Sorry....yeah, and I'd like a million dollars and Britney Spears under my desk. So this must mean you won't be voting for Kerry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #15 February 20, 2004 If I didn't vote for a presidential candidate that mis-stated his positions while campaigning, I wouldn't be able to vote for anyone. What I do is try to see the propaganda and BS to see who would be more effective and better for the country. That's why I will be voting for Edwards in the primary if he's still running. And either he or Kerry over Bush in the general election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #16 February 20, 2004 QuoteIf I didn't vote for a presidential candidate that mis-stated his positions while campaigning, I wouldn't be able to vote for anyone. What I do is try to see the propaganda and BS to see who would be more effective and better for the country. That's why I will be voting for Edwards in the primary if he's still running. And either he or Kerry over Bush in the general election. Well, I hope you will at least keep an open mind until the election. Lots of things can happen you know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #17 February 20, 2004 Always do....just stating what I would do today. I honetly considered Bush over Gore last time, and only slightly favored Gore. Now that I've seen Bush in action, though, a whole hell of a lot would have to happen for me to vote for him over ANYONE else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AirCav 0 #18 February 20, 2004 Quote: Should he run? Shouldn't he run? Is he a serious contender, or a secret weapon of the Republicans? __________________________________________________ Should he run?...Sure Serious contender??... no , spoiler maybe. Secret weapon?... Good question. Third party candidates always make it interesting. IMHO if Ross Perot had not run and took votes from GW's dad, we wouldn't have been stuck with ClintonGW685,D3888,C5052,SCS843 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #19 February 20, 2004 QuoteAlways do....just stating what I would do today. I honetly considered Bush over Gore last time, and only slightly favored Gore. Now that I've seen Bush in action, though, a whole hell of a lot would have to happen for me to vote for him over ANYONE else. You know, 2 can play at this sig line game. Think about it and think about all those posts you've made lately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #20 February 20, 2004 Good point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #21 February 20, 2004 QuoteGood point. ha ha ha ha Now if we can just get someone to believe that BS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #22 February 20, 2004 Why do you think I intentionally mis-capitalized your name? Credible deniability!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #23 February 21, 2004 Quote Why do you think I intentionally mis-capitalized your name? Credible deniability!! LOL...now you're starting to sound like a politician.....! AirCav, *I* thought it was a good question, too. Of course, as another poster pointed out, it does indeed go both ways (Perot/Bush Sr./Clinton). Lots will happen before the election, and lots of soundbyte screaming and vitriol....here as well as in the media. But Nader possibly entering into the race does indeed give it an interesting spin... Does anyone know what Nader's positions are? I'd be curious. A whole lot of things have changed since he ran in 99/00. A whole lotta things. Ciels- Michele Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #24 February 21, 2004 QuoteDoes anyone know what Nader's positions are? I'd be curious. "We must destroy all the Evil Corporations and spred their wealth to the masses" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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PhillyKev 0 #10 February 20, 2004 QuoteWe're polarized enough that any appeal by one party to the middle will be offset by losing their extremists as a result. IMO I'm not sure about your polarization theory. Article in WSJ today about how a large portion of non-national level Republican office holders are splitting from the national party line and endorsing tax increases and it's pissing off GWB and the RNC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 February 20, 2004 QuoteI'm not sure about your polarization theory. Article in WSJ today about how a large portion of non-national level Republican office holders are splitting from the national party line and endorsing tax increases and it's pissing off GWB and the RNC. I don't see how GWB can talk what with supporting all the spending increases. Congress just can't seem to cut spending - regardless of party affiliation. Cowards. And wasn't speaking about office holders so much as just voters. And it doesn't seem that office holders seem to be a representative sample of the general voting public anymore so much as representative of the swing votes they are trying to buy. {{{maybe I don't think they are as good intentioned as I originally thought}}} Edit: In any case, I'd rather presidential candidates would just establish their positions up front and stick to them regardless of the impact to the next election or whatever. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #12 February 20, 2004 QuoteEdit: In any case, I'd rather presidential candidates would just establish their positions up front and stick to them regardless of the impact to the next election or whatever. hahahahahahaahahahaahaha Sorry....yeah, and I'd like a million dollars and Britney Spears under my desk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #13 February 20, 2004 I hope he wins. I know he won't. But i hope he does.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 February 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteEdit: In any case, I'd rather presidential candidates would just establish their positions up front and stick to them regardless of the impact to the next election or whatever. hahahahahahaahahahaahaha Sorry....yeah, and I'd like a million dollars and Britney Spears under my desk. So this must mean you won't be voting for Kerry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #15 February 20, 2004 If I didn't vote for a presidential candidate that mis-stated his positions while campaigning, I wouldn't be able to vote for anyone. What I do is try to see the propaganda and BS to see who would be more effective and better for the country. That's why I will be voting for Edwards in the primary if he's still running. And either he or Kerry over Bush in the general election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #16 February 20, 2004 QuoteIf I didn't vote for a presidential candidate that mis-stated his positions while campaigning, I wouldn't be able to vote for anyone. What I do is try to see the propaganda and BS to see who would be more effective and better for the country. That's why I will be voting for Edwards in the primary if he's still running. And either he or Kerry over Bush in the general election. Well, I hope you will at least keep an open mind until the election. Lots of things can happen you know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #17 February 20, 2004 Always do....just stating what I would do today. I honetly considered Bush over Gore last time, and only slightly favored Gore. Now that I've seen Bush in action, though, a whole hell of a lot would have to happen for me to vote for him over ANYONE else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AirCav 0 #18 February 20, 2004 Quote: Should he run? Shouldn't he run? Is he a serious contender, or a secret weapon of the Republicans? __________________________________________________ Should he run?...Sure Serious contender??... no , spoiler maybe. Secret weapon?... Good question. Third party candidates always make it interesting. IMHO if Ross Perot had not run and took votes from GW's dad, we wouldn't have been stuck with ClintonGW685,D3888,C5052,SCS843 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 February 20, 2004 QuoteAlways do....just stating what I would do today. I honetly considered Bush over Gore last time, and only slightly favored Gore. Now that I've seen Bush in action, though, a whole hell of a lot would have to happen for me to vote for him over ANYONE else. You know, 2 can play at this sig line game. Think about it and think about all those posts you've made lately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 February 20, 2004 Good point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #21 February 20, 2004 QuoteGood point. ha ha ha ha Now if we can just get someone to believe that BS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 February 20, 2004 Why do you think I intentionally mis-capitalized your name? Credible deniability!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #23 February 21, 2004 Quote Why do you think I intentionally mis-capitalized your name? Credible deniability!! LOL...now you're starting to sound like a politician.....! AirCav, *I* thought it was a good question, too. Of course, as another poster pointed out, it does indeed go both ways (Perot/Bush Sr./Clinton). Lots will happen before the election, and lots of soundbyte screaming and vitriol....here as well as in the media. But Nader possibly entering into the race does indeed give it an interesting spin... Does anyone know what Nader's positions are? I'd be curious. A whole lot of things have changed since he ran in 99/00. A whole lotta things. Ciels- Michele Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #24 February 21, 2004 QuoteDoes anyone know what Nader's positions are? I'd be curious. "We must destroy all the Evil Corporations and spred their wealth to the masses" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
