"Intellectual" diversity

[juanesky 0]

I don't understand why no one has posted this before

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[kallend 2,146]

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I don't understand why no one has posted this before

We were waiting for you.

Nice thing about physics - there isn't Conservative physics and Liberal physics. Just plain ole physics.

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[3ringheathen 0]

It's a non-issue. There hasn't been any conspiracy to limit political conservatives from higher education.

It's just that the critical thinking skills that are learned and refined via higher education generally lead to more liberal viewpoints.

We go where logic takes us.
-Josh

If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me*
*Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams.

[Kennedy 0]

Actaully it has. Not the link, but the bill of rights thind. I remember starting off a shit storm with it a while back.

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[Kennedy 0]

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It's just that the critical thinking skills that are learned and refined via higher education generally lead to more liberal viewpoints.

I could argue the indoctrination that takes place during higher education leads to more liberal viewpoints. You haven't said anything of substance here, other than a poorly veiled insult.

And just FYI - college is not the great liberalizer it once was. Fewer students coming out of college say they changed their political stance and fewer are being rated as liberals. Of course, the latter could be caused due to the people creating the test being so liberal that they rank even other liberals as conservative.

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We go where logic takes us.

"Won't someone please think of the children."
"You're racist/homophobic/insert insult here."
"No."

That's the "logic" I encounter most often when I discuss controversial topics with diehard bleeding hearts.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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It's a non-issue. There hasn't been any conspiracy to limit political conservatives from higher education.

It's just that the critical thinking skills that are learned and refined via higher education generally lead to more liberal viewpoints.

We go where logic takes us.
-Josh

Wow. That sure is some assertion! I'm "higher educated" and I'm a happy mix of "right" and "left" and "center" views... Sure as hell, though, the "logic" of prohibitionist policies is not owned by either the left or the right. The left wants to prohibit guns despite evidence of abject failure of such attempts to decrease crime. The right thinks we can use prohibition against drugs and abortion, despite obvious proof that those don't do squat, either. Both sides have no legitimate explanation regarding why they have failed to learn the lesson that "the" Prohibition should have taught us. There is no excuse for continuing to believe in that folly, but still they argue for it, left and right.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Kennedy 0]

...preach on, brotherman, preach on...

anytime a politician says "war on" anything other than a country, I automatically distrust them now.

War on Drugs? yeah, that's worked.
War on Crime? mixed to mediocre results
War on Terror? patriot act, yeah that's good for us...

but hey, they're popular, and they get you elected, so let's just pass more useless legislation and say we promoted the War on Whatever

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[3ringheathen 0]

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And just FYI - college is not the great liberalizer it once was. Fewer students coming out of college say they changed their political stance and fewer are being rated as liberals.

If this is true, then why open the can of worms that Horowitz proposes?

The article that started this thread quotes professor Stanley Fish out of context:

"It's hard to see how anyone who believes (as I do) that academic work is distinctive in its aims and goals and that its distinctiveness must be protected from political pressures (either external or internal) could find anything to disagree with here"

The reader is led to believe that even this liberal professor endorses the "Intellectual diversity bill of rights".

He does not, and makes an excellent case for why it's a bad idea here:
http://chronicle.com/free/v50/i23/23b01301.htm

-Josh

If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me*
*Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams.

[juanesky 0]

You may not know this, but WORLWIDE, higher education has been fertil grounds for Leftist movements, I can cite you 3 of them, in South America: Colombia, Peru and Venezuela have had Guerrillas promoted by doctrines taught in universities.

It is a good thing that at least the left in this country is not that rebellious and feels comfortable with the luxury this country allows them.

Don't you remember who was the commander in the rebel forces in Mexico?

I understand it is not all roses with the right, and thank god most are holding grounds in the middle but what you say makes no sense at all, first for any kids mind is off politics until the last years of high school. Other wise I don't see little kids (unless they are in Cuba or somewhere like it NK?) preaching politics do you?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[3ringheathen 0]

Wow. That sure is some assertion! I'm "higher educated" and I'm a happy mix of "right" and "left" and "center" views... Sure as hell, though, the "logic" of prohibitionist policies is not owned by either the left or the right. The left wants to prohibit guns despite evidence of abject failure of such attempts to decrease crime. The right thinks we can use prohibition against drugs and abortion, despite obvious proof that those don't do squat, either. Both sides have no legitimate explanation regarding why they have failed to learn the lesson that "the" Prohibition should have taught us. There is no excuse for continuing to believe in that folly, but still they argue for it, left and right.
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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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You may not know this, but WORLWIDE, higher education has been fertil grounds for Leftist movements, I can cite you 3 of them, in South America: Colombia, Peru and Venezuela have had Guerrillas promoted by doctrines taught in universities.
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Hey, what about Mao? You could say that he espoused the ultimate leftism, and when he got power he then MURDERED the intellectual elite!

Leftists destroying themselves... Hmmm. We're no strangers to that notion: I just read today that Nader is thinking about running in November! I guess he likes handing the conservatives the presidency! LOL! Go Ralphie!!!
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[3ringheathen 0]

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You may not know this, but WORLWIDE, higher education has been fertil grounds for Leftist movements, I can cite you 3 of them, in South America: Colombia, Peru and Venezuela have had Guerrillas promoted by doctrines taught in universities.

3 examples hardly constitute firtile ground.

Granted, there are probably more examples than that.
I suspect that neither of us are familiar enough with the political and educational systems of those countries to draw sound conclusions either way.

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what you say makes no sense at all, first for any kids mind is off politics until the last years of high school. Other wise I don't see little kids (unless they are in Cuba or somewhere like it NK?) preaching politics do you?

What I say makes no sense?
I've no idea what your point is here, so I guess I feel your pain.
-Josh

If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me*
*Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams.

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[Zenister 0]

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It's a non-issue. There hasn't been any conspiracy to limit political conservatives from higher education.

It's just that the critical thinking skills that are learned and refined via higher education generally lead to more liberal viewpoints.

interestingly enough i was labeled as 'fascist' quite often by those who could not counter my arguments due to a simple lack of critical thinking skills......far easier to accuse than to analyze..

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[juanesky 0]

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3 examples hardly constitute firtile ground.

Granted, there are probably more examples than that.
I suspect that neither of us are familiar enough with the political and educational systems of those countries to draw sound conclusions either way.

you suspect wrong. I have been pretty close, lived and studied there, and that is perceived through most university in latin america.

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what you say makes no sense at all, first for any kids mind is off politics until the last years of high school. Other wise I don't see little kids (unless they are in Cuba or somewhere like it NK?) preaching politics do you?

What I say makes no sense?
I've no idea what your point is here, so I guess I feel your pain.
-Josh

[juanesky 0]

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You may not know this, but WORLWIDE, higher education tends to be fertil grounds for Leftist movements

That needed correction.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon