Bodyflight.Net 0 #1 February 26, 2004 I've spent the last couple of days installing 2 of these e-blah forums. They are awesome, and did I mention FREE? Written by a teen sometime ago in Perl, this flatfile forum it tidy and good. I've disconnected our old Bravenet forum (bravenet rocks too for webmaster freebies) and have the new one ready to go. I'd love some feedback on it from you Forum experts ... see if others think it's as cool as I do. It has awesome features like the recommend button at the bottom of each post so you can send a link directly to that post to a friend, plus many other features. Love to know what you think of it.. CLICKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #2 February 26, 2004 Great if your hosting doesnt support PHP or doesn't have a MySQL database for you to use. However, flatfile databases are much slower than using an indexed MRDB like MySQL. Plus perl is what it stands for - string handling + reporting. It's designed as a server-side scripting language and for that it's brilliant. However, PHP is much faster for web-based solutions. If you've got PHP and MySQL have a serious look into PHPBB. I use it myself, it's completely free and very fast. http://www.phpbb.com/ Sorry to be so negative - what you have is looking good though! 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #3 February 26, 2004 I am my hosting company (VPS) (how many people get to say that!!) I have worked with mysql & php on many occasions with large databases for overnight rentals. I have not been impressed with the function on any level that we have used it. In fact eventually we took 300 cabins and put them back to static pages and for our purpose it's been much better. Thanks for the tip, if our board ever got popular, I may need to do that but I try to stay away from anything more complicated than I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #4 February 26, 2004 Yeah, I am my own hosting company too Been working with sites and hosting for 5 or 6 years. If you need a hand setting anything up, give me a shout via pm Edit to add: Ah yeah, it's as complicated as you make it really. Any flatfile can be put into a structured database. The sorting, accessing and use of the contents are then processed by a dedicated server application - which is compiled, giving excellent execution speeds. Compare this to a scripted / interpreted language and you could be surprised! The other hand is that if you have a lot of data to manage, it can be a whole load easier with a nice front end to a database which lets you quickly and easily modify a record, table or entire database. Anyway, time to stop ranting perhaps 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #5 February 26, 2004 Honestly, with all the things I do, I hardly have time to learn anything new.. My phpMyadmin/mysql experience was bad, it kept crashing the kernel and I'd have to kill the kernal, then restart mysqld... etc.. it wasn't stable at all..gave my a bad taste for anyting non traditional There have been times I was curious about it since, I guess I'll keep you in mind for next time... U'r not ranting... u'r explaining! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #6 February 26, 2004 Hmm, you had a user/daemon process crashing the kernel? Something serious not right there. The system should prevent any kernel memory space being touched by a user process, and I certainly hope you're not running MySQLd as root! It doesn't need a port < 1024, so there's absolutely no need! And yeah I used to be the same as you. A bit of a perl guru, swore by it, defiant of anything new, woe betide anyone who said PHP to me! But then I had some contract work that wanted PHP alone, which got me to look into it further. It's very easy to learn as the syntax is practically identical to perl (both are C based), and I found it very fast. Did a few tests - one a little socket application which sent and received several packets to a list of 65 servers. The perl version took about 3 seconds. The PHP one took 0.39 seconds I guess you could call me a convert But I still use perl for any server-side management stuff, and mmm, gotta love those regexps!! 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #7 February 26, 2004 I didn't set up that system, it was dumped in my lap, and at the time, I was definitely a NON programmer. I worked hard daily to keep it running and when I learned that I could rid myself of that headache by learning Perl/CGI I was thrilled.. Like I said, no system in place now we trashed it completely, but someday, something, I know will come up. Like the forum I was hard pressed to find something NON sql... Thanks for the chat, I rarely find someone who knows this side of the www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #8 February 26, 2004 No problem, it's nice to shoo the boredom off for a little bit longer http://www.gossamer-threads.com/ They do some really nice perl CGI scripts, forums, file managers and so on. Well worth a look! Edit to add: http://www.ikonboard.com/ The only perl(CGI) forum I've ever used, and will use again if I have to. Very good stuff, and free! 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #9 February 26, 2004 gforum & gmail is what they use here. this is nice, don't get me wrong, but it is lacking features I was looking for (not to mention it costs money). Someday I may upgrade, but right now Bodyflight Network doesn't make money so I can't spend any on it. I'm checking out this ikonboard... thanks for the tip! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #10 February 26, 2004 Ikonboard looks cool for sure, similar to what I'm using in look anyway. Thanks for the tip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #11 February 26, 2004 You'll probably find what you're using borrowed design off ikonboard/vbulletin anyway.. ikonboard has been around for years.. 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #12 February 26, 2004 Dawn, I'm trying to find more about your Hosting company but it seems that all the hosting is done off some servers in Colorado, are those the ones that you own?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #13 February 26, 2004 I lease my VPS's with Verio, my servers are located in Virginia. I'm a reseller.. btw what kind of webhosting company charges for bandwith?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #14 February 26, 2004 One that likes to make lots of extra money? Na you're lucky in the US, you get bandwidth so cheap Costs me a fortune (comparatively) over here in the UK to get good quality peering! 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #15 February 26, 2004 It looks good, but I have to agree with the rest of the discussion here, flat file message boards take too long to load. I've tested and used, Ikonboard and phpBB recently and both were easy to setup and configure. I'm also my own ISP.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #16 February 26, 2004 Our forum isn't as active as this one is, we get the wrong type of crowd for that. I thought Ikonboard was flatfile ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #17 February 26, 2004 Last time I checked it gives you the option of flatfile or indexed relational. 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souleh 0 #2 February 26, 2004 Great if your hosting doesnt support PHP or doesn't have a MySQL database for you to use. However, flatfile databases are much slower than using an indexed MRDB like MySQL. Plus perl is what it stands for - string handling + reporting. It's designed as a server-side scripting language and for that it's brilliant. However, PHP is much faster for web-based solutions. If you've got PHP and MySQL have a serious look into PHPBB. I use it myself, it's completely free and very fast. http://www.phpbb.com/ Sorry to be so negative - what you have is looking good though! 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #3 February 26, 2004 I am my hosting company (VPS) (how many people get to say that!!) I have worked with mysql & php on many occasions with large databases for overnight rentals. I have not been impressed with the function on any level that we have used it. In fact eventually we took 300 cabins and put them back to static pages and for our purpose it's been much better. Thanks for the tip, if our board ever got popular, I may need to do that but I try to stay away from anything more complicated than I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #4 February 26, 2004 Yeah, I am my own hosting company too Been working with sites and hosting for 5 or 6 years. If you need a hand setting anything up, give me a shout via pm Edit to add: Ah yeah, it's as complicated as you make it really. Any flatfile can be put into a structured database. The sorting, accessing and use of the contents are then processed by a dedicated server application - which is compiled, giving excellent execution speeds. Compare this to a scripted / interpreted language and you could be surprised! The other hand is that if you have a lot of data to manage, it can be a whole load easier with a nice front end to a database which lets you quickly and easily modify a record, table or entire database. Anyway, time to stop ranting perhaps 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #5 February 26, 2004 Honestly, with all the things I do, I hardly have time to learn anything new.. My phpMyadmin/mysql experience was bad, it kept crashing the kernel and I'd have to kill the kernal, then restart mysqld... etc.. it wasn't stable at all..gave my a bad taste for anyting non traditional There have been times I was curious about it since, I guess I'll keep you in mind for next time... U'r not ranting... u'r explaining! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #6 February 26, 2004 Hmm, you had a user/daemon process crashing the kernel? Something serious not right there. The system should prevent any kernel memory space being touched by a user process, and I certainly hope you're not running MySQLd as root! It doesn't need a port < 1024, so there's absolutely no need! And yeah I used to be the same as you. A bit of a perl guru, swore by it, defiant of anything new, woe betide anyone who said PHP to me! But then I had some contract work that wanted PHP alone, which got me to look into it further. It's very easy to learn as the syntax is practically identical to perl (both are C based), and I found it very fast. Did a few tests - one a little socket application which sent and received several packets to a list of 65 servers. The perl version took about 3 seconds. The PHP one took 0.39 seconds I guess you could call me a convert But I still use perl for any server-side management stuff, and mmm, gotta love those regexps!! 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #7 February 26, 2004 I didn't set up that system, it was dumped in my lap, and at the time, I was definitely a NON programmer. I worked hard daily to keep it running and when I learned that I could rid myself of that headache by learning Perl/CGI I was thrilled.. Like I said, no system in place now we trashed it completely, but someday, something, I know will come up. Like the forum I was hard pressed to find something NON sql... Thanks for the chat, I rarely find someone who knows this side of the www. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #8 February 26, 2004 No problem, it's nice to shoo the boredom off for a little bit longer http://www.gossamer-threads.com/ They do some really nice perl CGI scripts, forums, file managers and so on. Well worth a look! Edit to add: http://www.ikonboard.com/ The only perl(CGI) forum I've ever used, and will use again if I have to. Very good stuff, and free! 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #9 February 26, 2004 gforum & gmail is what they use here. this is nice, don't get me wrong, but it is lacking features I was looking for (not to mention it costs money). Someday I may upgrade, but right now Bodyflight Network doesn't make money so I can't spend any on it. I'm checking out this ikonboard... thanks for the tip! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #10 February 26, 2004 Ikonboard looks cool for sure, similar to what I'm using in look anyway. Thanks for the tip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #11 February 26, 2004 You'll probably find what you're using borrowed design off ikonboard/vbulletin anyway.. ikonboard has been around for years.. 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #12 February 26, 2004 Dawn, I'm trying to find more about your Hosting company but it seems that all the hosting is done off some servers in Colorado, are those the ones that you own?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #13 February 26, 2004 I lease my VPS's with Verio, my servers are located in Virginia. I'm a reseller.. btw what kind of webhosting company charges for bandwith?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #14 February 26, 2004 One that likes to make lots of extra money? Na you're lucky in the US, you get bandwidth so cheap Costs me a fortune (comparatively) over here in the UK to get good quality peering! 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #15 February 26, 2004 It looks good, but I have to agree with the rest of the discussion here, flat file message boards take too long to load. I've tested and used, Ikonboard and phpBB recently and both were easy to setup and configure. I'm also my own ISP.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #16 February 26, 2004 Our forum isn't as active as this one is, we get the wrong type of crowd for that. I thought Ikonboard was flatfile ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #17 February 26, 2004 Last time I checked it gives you the option of flatfile or indexed relational. 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #18 February 26, 2004 There's a couple different flavors of Ikonboard, flat and with a php frontend, mySQL backend.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites souleh 0 #19 February 26, 2004 At least they haven't changed that then, eh? 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
souleh 0 #11 February 26, 2004 You'll probably find what you're using borrowed design off ikonboard/vbulletin anyway.. ikonboard has been around for years.. 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 February 26, 2004 Dawn, I'm trying to find more about your Hosting company but it seems that all the hosting is done off some servers in Colorado, are those the ones that you own?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #13 February 26, 2004 I lease my VPS's with Verio, my servers are located in Virginia. I'm a reseller.. btw what kind of webhosting company charges for bandwith?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #14 February 26, 2004 One that likes to make lots of extra money? Na you're lucky in the US, you get bandwidth so cheap Costs me a fortune (comparatively) over here in the UK to get good quality peering! 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #15 February 26, 2004 It looks good, but I have to agree with the rest of the discussion here, flat file message boards take too long to load. I've tested and used, Ikonboard and phpBB recently and both were easy to setup and configure. I'm also my own ISP.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #16 February 26, 2004 Our forum isn't as active as this one is, we get the wrong type of crowd for that. I thought Ikonboard was flatfile ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #17 February 26, 2004 Last time I checked it gives you the option of flatfile or indexed relational. 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #18 February 26, 2004 There's a couple different flavors of Ikonboard, flat and with a php frontend, mySQL backend.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #19 February 26, 2004 At least they haven't changed that then, eh? 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
