billvon 3,096 #26 February 25, 2004 >What if anything has all this verbiage have to do with Kerry being a piece of shit? Same thing Clinton has to do with Bush lying in office, I suppose. Conservatives bring up Clinton within seconds of anyone mentioning Bush's "mistruths" so there must be something to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #27 February 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteJohn hates Bush with such a passion that he can't argue without mentioning his name. The next four years are going to be difficult for him. I love how you keep bringing up this line. I notice you didn't respond to my posting pointing out all the mentions of Clinton that you've made in defense of Bush. Must have been a difficult 8 years for you. I didn't dislike Clinton with the same intensity that Kallend shows towards Bush. I wouldn't call it difficult, just unpleasant. Well, he does make it easy. There's: increased federal bureaucracy government spending the record deficit the unemployment prediction fiasco the OSP the WMD "We KNOW where they are" fiasco the African uranium lie the "45 minutes to deploy WMD" lie the "these trailers are mobile WMD laboratories" fiasco unkept promises on education unkept promises on veterans' benefits unkept promises on "no nation building" unkept promise on vetoing McCain/Feingold only record of his Alabama NG duty is a pay stub and a visit to the dentist How do you explain these things?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #28 February 25, 2004 QuoteHow do you explain these things? That's too easy, John. It's easily explained by a list of things that Clinton did wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #29 February 25, 2004 Hey kallend!!! For authentication, see here: www.donbendell.com. Have a nice day!!! mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #30 February 25, 2004 Quoteonly record of his Alabama NG duty is a pay stub and a visit to the dentist You should really get out and read more before jumping to such conclusions and making public pronouncements. Story #2 Story #3 Note paticularly that third reference, which gives you the ability to download the actual documents: http://www.nationalreview.com/york/bush1.pdf http://www.nationalreview.com/york/bush2.pdf http://www.nationalreview.com/york/bush3.pdf http://www.nationalreview.com/york/bush4.jpg http://www.nationalreview.com/york/bush5.jpg You may commence to remove your foot from your mouth now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #31 February 25, 2004 QuoteHey kallend!!! For authentication, see here: www.donbendell.com. Have a nice day!!! Does that guarantee that the content is true? I'll accept that is true if you'll accept that this is true. After all, it IS posted on a web site.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #32 February 25, 2004 Noooo, but you do have to finish cleaning up your own back yard before . . .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #33 February 25, 2004 QuoteNoooo, but you do have to finish cleaning up your own back yard before . . . I have no idea what that's in reference to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #34 February 25, 2004 bwwwaaahahahaaaahahaa Jesus christ on a popsicle stick! Now you want me to verify the guy's story? Do you do that with 1/2 of 1% of what you post here? OMG. too funny. Now, if you ask me if I believe Mr. Bendell, I will tell you, "100%." I don't care what you dig up about Bush, if this is in fact true, it speaks volumes of the character of this fellow, Kerry. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #35 February 25, 2004 Kallend, what part of the originating post do you want verified? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #36 February 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteNoooo, but you do have to finish cleaning up your own back yard before . . . I have no idea what that's in reference to. I do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,096 #37 February 25, 2004 >You may commence to remove your foot from your mouth now. MEMPHIS – Two members of the Air National Guard unit that President George W. Bush allegedly served with as a young Guard flyer in 1972 had been told to expect him and were on the lookout for him. He never showed, however; of that both Bob Mintz and Paul Bishop are certain... Recalls Memphian Mintz, now 63: “I remember that I heard someone was coming to drill with us from Texas. And it was implied that it was somebody with political influence. I was a young bachelor then. I was looking for somebody to prowl around with.” But, says Mintz, that “somebody” -- better known to the world now as the president of the United States -- never showed up at Dannelly in 1972. Nor in 1973, nor at any time that Mintz, a FedEx pilot now and an Eastern Airlines pilot then, when he was a reserve first lieutenant at Dannelly, can remember. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bush Aides Possibly Altered National Guard Records To Conceal Grounding and Missed Duty by Bob Fertik Aides to Texas Governor George W. Bush visited the Air National Guard archives at Camp Mabry in 1997 and possibly altered Bush's military service records to conceal Bush's grounding from flight in 1972 and subsequent missed duty, according to a former senior official of the Texas National Guard. Bill Burkett, a Lt. Colonel who was the State Plans Officer of the Texas National Guard at the time, said Bush operative Dan Bartlett headed a high- level operation to "scrub" Bush's Air National Guard record, to make sure it was in synch with the biography that the campaign was preparing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guardsman says he saw Bush's Guard records in trash Friday, February 13, 2004 Posted: 11:01 AM EST (1601 GMT) (CNN) -- A former officer in the Texas National Guard said Thursday he once overheard a conversation in which there was a request to sanitize President Bush's Guard records during Bush's tenure as Texas governor. Soon afterward, he said, he saw Bush's Guard performance review in a trash can. Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War era. Retired Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, who was then an adviser to the Texas adjutant general, who in that capacity serves as the commander of the state's National Guard, made the allegations. He said that in 1997 he overheard Joe Allbaugh -- who was Bush's chief of staff at the time -- ask Guard commander Maj. Gen. Daniel James to gather Bush's files and "make sure there wasn't anything there that would embarrass the governor." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #38 February 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteNoooo, but you do have to finish cleaning up your own back yard before . . . I have no idea what that's in reference to. I do. Hey....I always make sure to only take a dump right before I shower. My back yard is plenty clean. seriously though....which post of mine is this referencing, I can't figure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #39 February 26, 2004 Quote>You may commence to remove your foot from your mouth now. (various news stories...) Those stories are interesting. However, they are irrelevant to my response to Kallend's claim that the only evidence of Bush's service is "a pay stub and a visit to the dentist". To the contrary, I posted the actual images of some of his service records. So regardless of the debate on how much time Bush actually served, Kallend's statement stands as false. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #40 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuote>You may commence to remove your foot from your mouth now. (various news stories...) Those stories are interesting. However, they are irrelevant to my response to Kallend's claim that the only evidence of Bush's service is "a pay stub and a visit to the dentist". To the contrary, I posted the actual images of some of his service records. So regardless of the debate on how much time Bush actually served, Kallend's statement stands as false. Funny that it's so hard to find any person that actually remembers a rich kid from so prominent a family. You'd think he would have made some impact, wouldn't you? All that expensive flight training went to waste too. Still at least Alabama wasn't invaded.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #41 February 26, 2004 QuoteKallend, what part of the originating post do you want verified? Ciels- Michele Now you're not ignoring me any more, perhaps you'll respond to the question I asked you a week or so ago.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #42 February 26, 2004 QuoteNow you're not ignoring me any more, perhaps you'll respond to the question I asked you a week or so ago Kallend, no, the question was asked, and answered, answered, answered, and answered. Additionally, this is a different thread, and I would appreciate it if you could manage to keep it bifurcated from your personal witch hunt. If you are not going to specify what part of the original post you want verified, then I will assume you accept it all at face value. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #43 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteNow you're not ignoring me any more, perhaps you'll respond to the question I asked you a week or so ago Kallend, no, the question was asked, and answered, answered, answered, and answered. Additionally, this is a different thread, and I would appreciate it if you could manage to keep it bifurcated from your personal witch hunt. If you are not going to specify what part of the original post you want verified, then I will assume you accept it all at face value. Ciels- Michele I must have missed your answer. Please will you provide me with a link to it? If you don't think this is an appropriate place, you can always go back to the original thread. Thanks. Just a reminder: It was the question about explaining why someone who promises a short-term, small deficit then adopts policies (both revenues and expenditures) that led predictably to an all time record deficit with no end in sight. I did get some answers but they either ignored the reality of the revenue shortfall (details of which can be found at the GAO web site) or suggested the unexpected intervention of 9/11 (which is nonsense, of course, because that was BEFORE Bush's 2002 speech).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #44 February 26, 2004 Kallend, I am not going to provide you with any sort of answer to your question. Thankfully, I am a) able to withstand browbeating and bullying, and b) not one of your students and thus dependent upon your favor for a grade. You asked, it was answered. I asked you what you wanted verification of from the original post on this thread. Should you not want that, fine with me. However, that is all I am offering, limited as it may be to you. If you don't want information, that's all right. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #45 February 26, 2004 QuoteKallend, I am not going to provide you with any sort of answer to your question. Thankfully, I am a) able to withstand browbeating and bullying, and b) not one of your students and thus dependent upon your favor for a grade. You asked, it was answered. I asked you what you wanted verification of from the original post on this thread. Should you not want that, fine with me. However, that is all I am offering, limited as it may be to you. If you don't want information, that's all right. Ciels- Michele Pretty please Michele, just give me a link to your answer 'cos I can't find it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #46 February 26, 2004 Retired Army Colonel George R. Givens of Paige, Texas also has reservations as to the propriety of Kerry's action under fire. "As I understand it, the enemy attacked his boat and he responded by grounding the boat, leaping off, and personally pursuing a wounded enemy, which he killed." "At the time he was Commander of his Swift Boat. Think about it. In the middle of an attack, the Captain of the Ship runs his boat aground, leaves the boat and crew of five enlisted men behind, and conducts needless, single handed pursuit of a fleeing enemy, while his boat and crew are especially vulnerable to further attack by possible hidden forces." "Swift Boats were not heavily armored or armed. One of the few defensive weapons they had was maneuverability, including leaving the area to call in air strikes or artillery. By intentionally grounding his boat so he could get off and conduct a one man chase, he took away one of the primary defenses of his boat." There are many who point to something which is traditional among combat troops and a concern of those in command; large numbers fail to report minor wounds, knowing that if they do so it most likely will mean their removal from the unit and treatment at some medical facility. They just don't want to leave the members of their squads, platoons, or companies. Most men in combat units develop an unbreakable bond with their brothers in arms. They won't abandon those in their units, if there is any way to avoid separation. So, in the case of John Kerry ALL want to know IF the wounds were minor, who treated them? IF there were no medical personnel, who decided they were combat wounds? IF it was decided they were wounds, who recommended they be submitted to receive the Purple Heart? And finally IF three Purple Hearts were the ticket out of combat, why did it take four long days for this officer to request relief and abandon those in his command? When will Kerry release those medical records? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #47 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteKallend, I am not going to provide you with any sort of answer to your question. Thankfully, I am a) able to withstand browbeating and bullying, and b) not one of your students and thus dependent upon your favor for a grade. You asked, it was answered. I asked you what you wanted verification of from the original post on this thread. Should you not want that, fine with me. However, that is all I am offering, limited as it may be to you. If you don't want information, that's all right. Ciels- Michele Pretty please Michele, just give me a link to your answer 'cos I can't find it. Why do you continue to avoid the issue brought up by this thread. Maybe even you find it hard to defend this piece of shit without gagging.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #48 February 26, 2004 I'm not sure what this post is all about since I'm currently stationed in Kuwait in support of Operation Enduring Freedom and have no real access to the news. I can say Very well said statement and I too am proud of all my fellow soldiers. For my 2 cents unless you have served your country or been in a combat zone then you have no room to talk about how thing are. There is a lot of horror in war and thats what the average person only wants to read about. On the flip side there is even more good that most never even hear about. I mean who really wants to read about a soldier giving up his last MRE to feed a starving old person of about the troop who stood watch so a kid could attend school for the first time. The good never makes the headlines only the bad. So the next time hear about what horror a soldier did think about what good they probably have also done. Busting my ASS to protect YOURS! CSA #699 Muff #3804 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #49 February 26, 2004 QuoteRetired Army Colonel George R. Givens of Paige, Texas also has reservations as to the propriety of Kerry's action under fire. "As I understand it, the enemy attacked his boat and he responded by grounding the boat, leaping off, and personally pursuing a wounded enemy, which he killed." "At the time he was Commander of his Swift Boat. Think about it. In the middle of an attack, the Captain of the Ship runs his boat aground, leaves the boat and crew of five enlisted men behind, and conducts needless, single handed pursuit of a fleeing enemy, while his boat and crew are especially vulnerable to further attack by possible hidden forces." "Swift Boats were not heavily armored or armed. One of the few defensive weapons they had was maneuverability, including leaving the area to call in air strikes or artillery. By intentionally grounding his boat so he could get off and conduct a one man chase, he took away one of the primary defenses of his boat." There are many who point to something which is traditional among combat troops and a concern of those in command; large numbers fail to report minor wounds, knowing that if they do so it most likely will mean their removal from the unit and treatment at some medical facility. They just don't want to leave the members of their squads, platoons, or companies. Most men in combat units develop an unbreakable bond with their brothers in arms. They won't abandon those in their units, if there is any way to avoid separation. So, in the case of John Kerry ALL want to know IF the wounds were minor, who treated them? IF there were no medical personnel, who decided they were combat wounds? IF it was decided they were wounds, who recommended they be submitted to receive the Purple Heart? And finally IF three Purple Hearts were the ticket out of combat, why did it take four long days for this officer to request relief and abandon those in his command? When will Kerry release those medical records? Beats me, I think he should release the records. However, I don't think second guessing someone's behavior in the heat of combat after the event is very appropriate. If all combat were overanalyzed this way I think a lot of heroes would come out looking foolhardy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #50 February 26, 2004 QuoteSame thing Clinton has to do with Bush lying in office, I suppose. Conservatives bring up Clinton within seconds of anyone mentioning Bush's "mistruths" so there must be something to it. Ya got Proof he lied? Or you just like spreading RUMORS?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
