Boy Suspended For 1-inch Toy Gun

[kallend 2,148]

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"Zero Tolerance" is the most idiotic concept to have ever crossed the so called educated mind. My son was caught on the receiving end of "ZT" wisdom, I fought it and won..................although my son still missed two days of school........much better than what was originally handed out. It's nothing more than a load of crap that the parents must go through as well. Sometimes I wonder how people without plain common sense survive. Premise upon which "ZT" was founded may have been a sincere one, but one that paved a way for stupidity.

Zero tolerance policies are established by school boards, not by teachers. School boards are, for the most part, elected by their communities. If a teacher fails to follow school board policy they risk being suspended or fired.

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I understand that................as well. The school administrators were our first line of opposition before being heard by representation from the Board.

[JohnRich 4]

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How many Columnbines is it going to take before you get the picture?

I don't believe that atrocity was commited with one-inch plastic G.I. Joe guns. It has no bearing upon this case.

Only someone who has an extreme unreasonable paranoia about guns could possibly draw any connection between the two.

Kids have been playing with toy guns for many generations, without shooting up their schools. Perhaps you should read some news stories that came out last week about how often those two Columbine "kids" had been in trouble with the law previously, without anyone doing anything about it - not the police, not the school, and not the parents. Columbine did not happen simply because kids play with toy guns.

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Which will come first, X-ray machines and metal detectors at the entrance of schools, or your right to own firearms infringed upon to the point of none.

I don't believe X-rays and metal detectors would have caught a one-inch G.I. Joe gun. Even if they had, those devices wouldn't have prevented anyone from hurting anyone with said toy. And this is also irrelevant. I don't believe that cracking down on one-inch G.I. Joe guns at school would in anyway help to preserve the right to keep and bear arms.

I think you have just revealed your true extreme views on guns, and I'm sure that most people will recognize that these views are outside the mainstream. Thanks for coming out of the closet.

[JohnRich 4]

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I'm not disagreeing, but the writings on the wall.
There are just too many people out there with firearms that shouldn't have them.

So you admit that this toy gun incident was stupid, but you think it should be done anyway, in order to somehow (magically) stop bad people from committing crimes with guns?

England has taken some of the most drastic gun control measures of any nation in history. They banned and confiscated all handguns, and all semi-auto long guns. So did gun crime plummet? Nope. It went up!

So, tell us what b1jercat would do if he were in charge, to stop gun violence.

[JohnRich 4]

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Dude all I'm saying is people are getting tired of schools being turned into war zones. The idea isn't 1-inch toy gun, it is what it represents, bring a gun to school. You should be worried, its crap like this that indicates the future and direction society is starting to go in regards to guns.

There's another example of your extreme view against guns.

It was a toy, not a gun.

Yet you seem to equate toy guns with real guns, as if they're all the same.

The kid could have done more damage to someone with his pencil, than he could have with a one-inch plastic toy. Maybe we should ban pencils, and make all kids write with big fat crayons? After all, that pencil could be used as a stabbing weapon, and it represents the bringing of stabbing weapons to school. Right?

As for the direction America is going with gun violence, it has been dropping every year for 10 years straight, and is at it's lowest level since the mid 1980's. And we did all that without the symbolic banning of G.I. Joe toy guns - imagine that!

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As for the direction America is going with gun violence, it has been dropping every year for 10 years straight, and is at it's lowest level since the mid 1980's. And we did all that without banning G.I. Joe toy guns - imagine that!

On the flip side, this is exactly the same time period the Assault Weapons Ban has been in effect.

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[JohnRich 4]

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As for the direction America is going with gun violence, it has been dropping every year for 10 years straight, and is at it's lowest level since the mid 1980's. And we did all that without banning G.I. Joe toy guns - imagine that!

On the flip side, this is exactly[ the same time period the Assault Weapons Ban has been in effect.

Actually, my "10 year" quote was just a general number, because I was too lazy to luck up the actual number of years. But gun crime had actually started dropping several years prior to the 1994 so-called "assault weapon" ban. In addition, these so-called "assault weapons" only accounted for 1% of all gun crimes in the first place, and even if every one of those had been eliminated due to that law (which they weren't), it still wouldn't account for the dramatic drop, which has been somewhere around 33%.

There is no relationship between this law and the drop in gun crime.

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There is no relationship between this law and the drop in gun crime.

In your opinion.

Others can draw their own conclusions based on the data.

Data HERE.

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[JohnRich 4]

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There is no relationship between this law and the drop in gun crime.

In your opinion.

Others can draw their own conclusions based on the data.

Data HERE.

Well, that's typical of Diane "turn them all in" Feinstein.

Notice how she doesn't bother to reference the actual document from which she claims to get these numbers? That's because she's afraid if you read the actual report yourself, you'll find out she's using these numbers in a bogus manner. And just to confuse you from finding the document, she claims it's from the BATF, then from the DOJ. Which is it?

These are called "YCGII/Crime Gun Trace Reports", and the latest available report I can find is from 1999. So DiFi must be digging up as-yet unreleased information to use to try and get the ban extended, which will otherwise expire in September.

The problem with the data is this: it depends upon data collected by tracing guns used in crime. She let's that slip in her own press release.

Here is a reference which explains the problem with using that data, rendering it useless for such conclusions. Useless to everyone except the anti-gun politicians, that is, who aren't interested in the truth.

The Misuse of BATF Firearms Tracing Data