bodypilot90 0 #1 February 28, 2004 http://www.irna.ir/?LANG=EN&PART=_HOME&TYPE=HP#2004_02_2813_36_463 Iran`s state radio says Osama bin Laden captured Quote(Adds confirmation) Tehran, Feb 28, IRNA -- Iran`s state radio has quoted an informed source as saying that Osama bin Laden had been captured in a tribal region in Pakistan. The radio`s external service, broadcast in Pushtun, said US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld`s trip to Pakistan on Thursday had been made in connection with the capture. The radio said, "The capture of the al-Qaeda leader has been made sometime before, but (US President George W.) Bush is intending to announce it when the American presidential election is held." Contacted by IRNA, an IRIB announcer at the Pusthtun service, confirmed the news, which he said, they had got from a `very reliable source` in Peshawar, Pakistan. "Osama bin Laden has been arrested a long time ago, but (US President George W.) Bush is intending to use it for propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election," he said. Osama`s head on a platter is believed to be a big boost to Bush`s presidential chances, which are increasingly being eclipsed by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry. The Saudi-born dissident is accused of masterminding the September 11, 2001 attacks on American landmarks in New York and Washington. Visiting Kabul on Thursday, Rumsfeld said he believes Osama will be caught, but has no idea when. BH/210 End Wouldn"t that be nice!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #2 February 28, 2004 I really think its a lot of wishful thinking. I dont think the USA has heard the last of Bib Laden, and would be surprised (and Glad) if his capture was a fact. Pakistan has already denounced the statement. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary350 0 #3 February 28, 2004 QuoteI really think its a lot of wishful thinking. I dont think the USA has heard the last of Bib Laden, and would be surprised (and Glad) if his capture was a fact. Pakistan has already denounced the statement. Bill Cole D-41 Not a chance. Even if we got him, it would be kept under wraps until September or October. . . ===================================== "Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain." -Gene Roddenberry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #4 February 28, 2004 Quote I really think its a lot of wishful thinking. I dont think the USA has heard the last of Bib Laden, and would be surprised (and Glad) if his capture was a fact. yes it would be a time for the USA and the world as a whole to celebrate. I realize that the paper has a little more credibility than the Iraqi information minister, but we can hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 February 28, 2004 LINK Quote U.S. and Pakistani officials deny capture of Osama bin Laden 2/28/2004 2:49 PM By: Associated Press TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- U.S. and Pakistani officials are denying a report from Iran's state radio that Osama bin Laden was captured "a long time ago." Iranian radio reported Saturday that bin Laden was taken into custody in Pakistan a while ago and that President Bush was intending to use his arrest for "propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election." The report also said that U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's visit to the region this week was in connection with the arrest. Iranian radio says it has two sources for the report of bin Laden's capture. One of those alleged sources, the editor of an English language Pakistani newspaper, tells The Associated Press he "never said this." The newspaper editor, Shamim Shahed, however, does say bin Laden is within the Americans reach and "they can declare him arrested any time." If, for some reason, Osama bin Laden is captured in an "October Surprise" (just before the elections) I think we'll need to look long and hard at exactly how that was done.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #6 February 28, 2004 Please do it....and then declare it. To do otherwise could prove a major embarassment. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 February 28, 2004 Oh, don't get me wrong, there are few people that would like to see the head of Osama bin Laden paraded around on a stick more than me. (and I'm usually considered a liberal around these forums.) I would just be highly suspicious if we did that just before the elections.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #8 February 28, 2004 This is interesting. I saw a story a few days ago that we thought that we were very close to getting him. Hopefully his days are numbered. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #9 February 28, 2004 Do you think it possible that such a ploy (saying they are close etc) could be kept up until the fall election, making Bush look good? You know, "Gee we think we'll have him by tomorrow" then " Well maybe the next day" and in reality they dont have a clue where he is. Its kind of like "we are winning the war in Vietnam" Oh yeah....what else Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 February 28, 2004 Quote Do you think it possible that such a ploy (saying they are close etc) could be kept up until the fall election, making Bush look good? Ab-so-freekin'-lutely! For all we know, Osama bin Laden has already been captured and is resting, quietly drugged on opium, at Camp X-ray in Cuba. How would -we-, the American public, ever know? Then, October comes around and bingo, suddenly we've "captured" him crawling out of a spider-hole in Afganistan. Yes, this is entirely possible and there's practically nothing the U.S. public could ever do to find out about it. Do I think this is actually what's going on? Well, no. I certainly hope not! But, like I said, if Osama is somehow magically captured just before the elections -- people are going to wonder.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #11 February 28, 2004 QuoteBut, like I said, if Osama is somehow magically captured just before the elections -- people are going to wonder. Liberals will make it an issue no matter when he is captured. QuoteHow would -we-, the American public, ever know? When he is put on trial maybe? That would be harder to contain than you seem to think. Thousands of people rotate through Camp X-ray on a regular basis. They are made up of almost every department the government has. I have several co-workers that have served there. Alot less is going on there than the press would have you to believe. Also, do you think the Pakis will keep their mouth shut? Some underling would run to the press to make a quick buck. Journalists pay big bucks for stories like that. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySlut 0 #12 February 28, 2004 exactly...apparently just after Saddam was captured, some political figure...Condolisa Rice? or some other female democratic bigwig has suggested that they had already captured him and that Bush was planning on bringing him out later on towards election time. It was on CNN and all the other news stations...interesting, anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 February 28, 2004 Just playing devil's advocate here. ********************************* Quote When he is put on trial maybe? You don't have to put a corpse on trial. Dead men tell no tales and since he's already wanted "dead or alive" and dead is much preferred by most Americans anyway, him showing up with fresh bullet holes in him is no big deal for most of the population of the U.S. You'll notice that not too many people cried when they found Uday and Qusay. Quote That would be harder to contain than you seem to think. Thousands of people rotate through Camp X-ray on a regular basis. Thousands of people work at NASA (a considerably more open establishment than Camp X-Ray), yet how many have actually seen the Apollo One capsule lately? Trust me, if there's one thing this government (and I don't just mean GWB) is good at, it's keeping things under wraps if they want to. I'm no conspiracy nut, by a LONG shot, but if the U.S. government captured Osama and wanted to keep it secret -- it would be kept secret. It's pretty freekin' simple. Quote Alot less is going on there than the press would have you to believe. Also, do you think the Pakis will keep their mouth shut? You're assuming that the Pakis (or anyone else) would need to be involved -- they don't. Quote Some underling would run to the press to make a quick buck. Journalists pay big bucks for stories like that. Really? Let's say that there aren't any other forces involved other than a squad of SEALs. Who's going to talk if ordered not to? I'm guessing . . . nobody. Considering that there -are- conspiracy theorists out there that believe GWB is actually responsible for the events of September 11, you HAVE to consider the possibility of something a bit less nefarious as being within the realm of possibility as well. ********************** AGAIN, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I do not actually believe that anyone in our government would politicize the war on terror to this extent.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 February 28, 2004 It would be nice...however, DoD and Pakistan are already denying the report: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,112804,00.html All the hooplah about "selective" disclosure as to when he would be captured is the real wishful thinking IMO. I don't think that is something that could effectively be kept under wraps.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #15 February 28, 2004 Quote Really? Let's say that there aren't any other forces involved other than a squad of SEALs. Who's going to talk if ordered not to? I'm guessing . . . nobody. I disagree. Keeping quiet in the national interest is one thing, but this would be patently obvious as in the political interest of one person. I don't believe the SEALS or any other branch of the service would play along for one moment. The military has way more integrity than Rove & Co.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #16 February 28, 2004 No, he hasn't been captured yet. Might not be alive, could have been killed in Afaganastan, who knows? Believe this is more democratic party bullshit, screaming idiot Dean claimed it, asshole Kerry has all but said it, believe it is the mainstream news media, i.e. the propaganda wing of the democrate party, trying to stir up shit, as usual. As for the Iranian news service, they're no friend of Bush, they will broadcast things to try and hurt him. They would much rather see a democrate adminstration in power because they are soft on and only want to cut back on our defense strength, witness 8 yrs of klinton adminstration, military suffered gravely during that time, and they also know, again al la klinton, that they will be able to get away with much more terroist type activities than they would under a second Bush adminstration, due to the dems willingness to be soft on such matters, and desire to turn everything, including our defense and our national soverinty over to the panty-waisted, useless, anti-American, u.n.!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #17 February 28, 2004 Quoteand I'm usually considered a liberal around these forums.) well I agree with that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 February 29, 2004 Bold statement there John. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #19 February 29, 2004 I don't think we've caught him. I think come April or early May, we will have. Lord knows I could be wrong, and I wish we had gotten him a whole lot sooner, like in '98, but still.... I think, like the Saddam capture, there would be much ado about it, and it would be rumored for a bit before there is official word because they would want to make sure they had the right guy. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #20 February 29, 2004 QuoteI disagree. Keeping quiet in the national interest is one thing, but this would be patently obvious as in the political interest of one person. I don't believe the SEALS or any other branch of the service would play along for one moment. The military has way more integrity than Rove & Co. Damn, for once I'm going to agree with you. There are a lot of people in the Federal Government (read that as most) who don't play the political game. They work for and swear to uphold the Constitution not a particular person. This is especially true of the military. If 15 years of working for the Federal Government has taught me nothing else, it has taught me that. It is hard to keep anything quiet in the US. Most countries are reluctant to share sensitive informationwith us because it always ends up on the front page of the newspaper. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #21 February 29, 2004 Quote Thousands of people work at NASA (a considerably more open establishment than Camp X-Ray), yet how many have actually seen the Apollo One capsule lately? WTF??? Was it stolen or something? Is there some kind of mystery about the 204 fire? Oh, let me guess! Grissom, White & Chaffee were threatenting to go public with the whole Moon Hoax thing, and the Johnson Administration torched them. Seriously, I don't see the relationship. Care to elaborate, Paul? ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 February 29, 2004 Basically out of respect for the families, after the investigation the capsule was locked away and will probably never be seen again by anyone outside of NASA caretakers. Lots of folks have tried to see it: journos, researchers, riff-raff. I was just trying to make a point that if people can't see stuff that clearly isn't secret, then the government is more than capable of keeping things (or people) they want to keep secret out of our view. Hundreds and hundreds of people have worked at government installations such as the Groom Lake facility, but I'm guessing that none of the stories you've ever heard about what's really locked up in hangers is from one of them. Oh sure, you'll hear the wacko alien stories, but never the real military test aircraft ones.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #23 February 29, 2004 For example: Richard Thomas was a patient of mine this past year. He and his wife had carried a secret with them for years about the first stealth plane the military had ever built, Tacit Blue. Nobody was allowed to speak of this 'whale of a plane' until Clinton released them to. In fact, Mr. Tnomas's wife said that it was the best thing Clinton ever did in office, to unclassify the documents! ;^) The stories pilot Thomas shared with me were fascinating and a bit hair raising too. He was the very first pilot to fly this 'fly-by-wire' plane. Ugly plane, though! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #24 February 29, 2004 That thing ain't ugly, it's FUGLY! -------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #25 February 29, 2004 But, like I said, if Osama is somehow magically captured just before the elections -- people are going to wonder. It'll seal the election for Bush, regardless of the left wing conspiracy theories. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
