cvfd1399 0
Yea no shit. How many fights, and other altercations were stopped by (me) the police rolling up on scene and taking the Remmington 870 shotgun and racking the slide and chambering a round! It gets your attention for sure. The weapon is carried in this configuration of a empty chamber for cruiser safety, and the intimidation factor of loading it.
Kennedy 0
It's only a weapon if it's used against an enemy. No one is saying it's not a weapon. We're saying it is a tool that may be used as a weapon. It also has several other "primary" uses.
I have to tell you, I've used a weapon for every primary purpose Kev listed, but never once for the one you listed. Hmmm.
Also, a gun does not need to kill in order to be effective. Look at how cops use them. The purpose is to stop an assault. The most effective way to do that is to deliver a bullet to center mass. Unfortunately that also tends to kill someone. Pure side effect as far as I'm concerned.
I will never use a gun with the intent of killing someone.* I may have to use it to stop an attack one day. And that may kill them. But there is a significant difference there.
* - disclaimer: if the US is invaded or something equally improbable and unforeseen happens, that sentence no long applies
I have to tell you, I've used a weapon for every primary purpose Kev listed, but never once for the one you listed. Hmmm.
Also, a gun does not need to kill in order to be effective. Look at how cops use them. The purpose is to stop an assault. The most effective way to do that is to deliver a bullet to center mass. Unfortunately that also tends to kill someone. Pure side effect as far as I'm concerned.
I will never use a gun with the intent of killing someone.* I may have to use it to stop an attack one day. And that may kill them. But there is a significant difference there.
* - disclaimer: if the US is invaded or something equally improbable and unforeseen happens, that sentence no long applies
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jdhill 0
So has the Senate bill passed in its entirety, or just these amendments to it (which go out the window if the underlying bill does not pass)?
Last I saw the bill itself had not yet been voted on...
Even if it does, I don't know that the amendments will survive committee.
J
Last I saw the bill itself had not yet been voted on...
Even if it does, I don't know that the amendments will survive committee.
J
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benny 0
QuoteI will never use a gun with the intent of killing someone.* I may have to use it to stop an attack one day. And that may kill them. But there is a significant difference there.
* - disclaimer: if the US is invaded or something equally improbable and unforseen happens, that sentence no long applies
Well we agree on that anyway.
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quade 4
So, when President GW Bush signs it into law (he has already pledged to do so) does that mean you won't vote for him?
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Kennedy 0
Well, you could say he's pulling a Kerry on this one. He said he wouldn't sign anything but a clean bill because he wants it ot get to him ASAP. Well, since that didn't disuade the hoplophobes, it may reach his desk. I doubt he'll sign it.
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QuoteSo, when President GW Bush signs it into law (he has already pledged to do so) does that mean you won't vote for him?
Are you saying that Kerry is against the law?
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QuoteBut you've got several other non-lethal self-defense strategies available.
Yes...and I would use them first. But name one non-lethal self defense strategy that is as reliable and effective in protecting my life when confronted with an armed assailant.
Kennedy 0
QuoteAre you saying that Kerry is against the law?
Yes, but he's for it, too.
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QuoteQuoteAre you saying that Kerry is against the law?
Yes, but he's for it, too.
There's two side to every story and Kerry's for them both. Or against, depending on his audience.
(This is usually where Kallend pulls out his Bush bashing list.)
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fudd 0
Americans are crazy...
I live in a country where normal people don't go around buying AK-47 rifles. Some few people got handguns for target practise. Some people got weapons for hunting.
Close to nobody get guns to defend themself.
I don't need a gun to defend myself.
I'll leave it up to you to decide what you think is best. Needing a gun and having a right to have one or not needing one in the first place.
Even the Norwegian police is unarmed. If they need firearms they have to call in for permission, and someone has to drive out with the weapons (except some vehicles which has locked and sealed gun cases. )
Sure many criminals can get hold of a weapon if they want to, but most don't. The number of innocent people killed by criminals is near nill. Most gun victims are criminals shot by other criminals.
You allways yell about induvidual freedom. The right to defend yourself. What about the right to live in a society where people killed by guns are a rare occurence?
What kind of society do you want? One thing is sure.
Less guns will mean less gun victims. Less gun victims means you are less likely to become one yourself.
Don't come around saying I don't know what life is like in the US. I'm asking how you wan't life to to be.
Regulation of guns has far more positive effects than not regulating them.
What if cars weren't registered and no drivers license was neccesary. Isn't drivers licenses and register plates on your cars infringing your personal freedom?
There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
I live in a country where normal people don't go around buying AK-47 rifles. Some few people got handguns for target practise. Some people got weapons for hunting.
Close to nobody get guns to defend themself.
I don't need a gun to defend myself.
I'll leave it up to you to decide what you think is best. Needing a gun and having a right to have one or not needing one in the first place.
Even the Norwegian police is unarmed. If they need firearms they have to call in for permission, and someone has to drive out with the weapons (except some vehicles which has locked and sealed gun cases. )
Sure many criminals can get hold of a weapon if they want to, but most don't. The number of innocent people killed by criminals is near nill. Most gun victims are criminals shot by other criminals.
You allways yell about induvidual freedom. The right to defend yourself. What about the right to live in a society where people killed by guns are a rare occurence?
What kind of society do you want? One thing is sure.
Less guns will mean less gun victims. Less gun victims means you are less likely to become one yourself.
Don't come around saying I don't know what life is like in the US. I'm asking how you wan't life to to be.
Regulation of guns has far more positive effects than not regulating them.
What if cars weren't registered and no drivers license was neccesary. Isn't drivers licenses and register plates on your cars infringing your personal freedom?
There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
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>Private attendees can walk in and out with their own firearms. [why
>do you insist on calling them weapons?]
Cause they also had knives on display which (last time I checked) were not firearms.
>do you insist on calling them weapons?]
Cause they also had knives on display which (last time I checked) were not firearms.
benny 0
Quote>Private attendees can walk in and out with their own firearms. [why
>do you insist on calling them weapons?]
Cause they also had knives on display which (last time I checked) were not firearms.
But they could be using those knives to butter their bread Bill, come on, don't hate the tool man
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QuoteAmericans are crazy...
Maybe so, but we don't bow to a hereditary King, either.
Remster 30
QuoteMaybe so, but we don't bow to a hereditary King, either.
Nope.. instead, you get Dubya....
Remster
QuoteQuoteMaybe so, but we don't bow to a hereditary King, either.
Nope.. instead, you get Dubya....
And, I have guns so that I don't ever HAVE to bow to him. Well, at least I used to.
Kennedy 0
Quote
What kind of society do you want? One thing is sure.
Less guns will mean less gun victims. Less gun victims means you are less likely to become one yourself.
Don't come around saying I don't know what life is like in the US. I'm asking how you wan't life to to be. Regulation of guns has far more positive effects than not regulating them.
Tell that to the citizens, or should I say subjects, in England and Australia where they banned basically all guns, and their crime rates soared, and new crimes were invented. (see "home invasion")
Funny, a study done by a very anti-gun agency (CDC) has failed to find any positive effect gained through gun control. Another study done concerning giving people the right to choose (Lott) found that giving people the choice reduces crime.
The problem is not guns. The problem is criminals. Don't blame the tool for the action.
QuoteWhat if cars weren't registered and no drivers license was neccesary. Isn't drivers licenses and register plates on your cars infringing your personal freedom?
You obivously DON'T know what it's like here, because if we really had legislators who only wanted to register firearms, I wouldn't be against it. BUt the fact is they have stated repeatedly that their goal is complete civilian disarmament.
If there were records of other countries licensing cars, then confisctaing them without causeof compensation, you can be damned sure I'd be against it here.
The fact is registration has led to confiscation. Americans don't want that. We want to be able to make the choice for ourselves.
The DMV is a pain in the ass, and it is not friendly to individual choice, but there is no constitutional right to drive, no common law right to drive, no centuries of religion and tradition of the right to drive.
Now back to our regularly scheduled information sharing.
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I think that only a small fraction of firearms are used for that. I've owned over a dozen rifles that I never fired.
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