jumper03 0 #1 March 3, 2004 Just got off the phone with a company looking for an engineer for almost the exact thing I did my research on and they want a resume.... I got a CV that is 3 pages long and that is no where near a resume - do they want to see all that crap? any comments or clickys would be appreciated on how to change a CV into a resume. What are the HR people looking for? This job, in it's location, would be a god send. Many thanks and deep blue skies for any help! JumpScars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #2 March 3, 2004 Well, you can cut & paste the CV info into Word or any other word processing software. Edit to add: Check this link it will give you an idea how to 'transform' a CV into a Resume__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BETO74 0 #3 March 3, 2004 In the MSN home page there are tips on how to write resumes and cover letters you can be as deep as you want, Resumes are very important and they are the opposite of a CV, I t shoul be short and to the point. I had that happend to me I come from a country were all they ask are CV when I came to the US 4 yrs ago I had no clue on how to write a proficient resume, I must say that the one I got now got me some pretty good interviews, then I screw up on the interviews. S#&T Happenshttp://web.mac.com/ac057a/iWeb/AC057A/H0M3.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #4 March 3, 2004 Here is a big hint for any job hunter. HR groups use software to scan your resume and pick out the buzz words. The more matches between your resume words and the words that HR is looking for, the higher your match score. The highest match scores get forwarded. Whatever words that they are interested in, repeat them all over your resume. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #5 March 4, 2004 And how do you find out what words they are interested in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #6 March 4, 2004 QuoteAnd how do you find out what words they are interested in? A typical ad reads: Looking for JAVA, UNIX, ORACLE experience... If you have experience at something, you probably took a class. Put "College curriculum included JAVA, UNIX, ORACLE." Then, for every job you've had put: "Current employment: McDonalds Fry Chef - application skills include JAVA, UNIX, ORACLE." "Previous job: Doorstop at convenience store skills..." Your resume will light up like a Christmas tree on the match score software. If the HR people don't want to read all the resumes (often 100+), they use the tools. It would be impossible to read them all. They shouldn't get mad if I win using their rules. Most of the time, the people receiving a resume cannot know every nuance of every position. Half my managers don't know what I do. I have lost positions due to ignorance. I'm trying not to let that happen again. Internal job posting: "Need person with ...skills and database experience." My resume: "I have 8 years of DB2..." HR: "Your resume was excluded because you have no database experience." Me: "You pointy-head, DB2 is the database experience that you are looking for. You cost me a 15% raise." HR: "Sorry about your career, better luck next time. Of course, we'll suck then too." I spell it all out now. Repeatedly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #7 March 5, 2004 Um, I think I will etl you put the buzz words. I'll just stick to my experience and education and let it speak for me. Besides fi all they look for are buzz words then I think I would rather work elsewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #8 March 5, 2004 I'm an engineering manager and one of our best recruiters and identifiers of real talent in my area of the company - I also do a ton of campus recruiting. I'm batting about 1000 right now in my recruits moving up in the company - just so you can know I'm not talking out my ass on this one - normally I'm jabbing and cynical or playful on these forums. But this is an important subject. Also, which engineering field are you degreed in....? I don't rely on HR at all. So keyword alignment is fine, but make sure you don't ruin your message accommodating that. 1 - Start to network with friends and family. 2 - Figure out what industry you want in then; 3 - Within that industry which jobs are you interested in and focus on those (the worst interview is when I ask the candidate what they want to do and they answer "oh, just about anything" - go away, I want someone who can communicate and has thought about their life.... 4 - You resume is most effective if you can QUANTIFY your accomplishments. (i.e., work on the widgit improvement project resulting in 80% improvement in efficiency, completing the project 4 weeks ahead of schecule, saving the company an estimated $20,000 per quarter. Anyone can do the work if they are smart and have a good attitude. But those that understand the impact of their work and how it fits in the big picture are valuable and can go places and can adapt to the needs as they evolve. I also place a good deal more emphasis on the cover letter and personal communications. Lastly, a resume is a tool for introspection. You need to spend a great deal of thought on it even if no one else ever sees it. The reason is you need to be clear who you are, what you've done, and what you want to do. ANY exercise where you look at yourself and gain understanding will make you a better interview and a better performer in both the short term and long term. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #9 March 5, 2004 QuoteUm, I think I will etl you put the buzz words. I'll just stick to my experience and education and let it speak for me. Besides fi all they look for are buzz words then I think I would rather work elsewhere. I have the education and experience too. An engineering degree, a finance degree, 15 years IT experience, and a thick folder of certifications. My job experience section is basically two-liners, but goes on for two pages. A lot of IT people post their resume on Monster. Does anyone believe that someone reads the 5,000 resumes that are posted there every day? When I worked for GTE, my job as tech lead was to review applications for my teams slots. One time I got 125 resumes. Now it is up to 500 for any given job. It is like spam. A friend is a recruiter. She does searches on Monster based on keywords. When you send her a resume, it is put into their database and parsed. Then she can do a keyword match there. Mom and Pop places have someone who does the books and reads the resumes. I'm just telling you how corporations and govt entities do this process. Your post started out as "Help!". You are welcome to pursue your own method. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
rehmwa 2 #8 March 5, 2004 I'm an engineering manager and one of our best recruiters and identifiers of real talent in my area of the company - I also do a ton of campus recruiting. I'm batting about 1000 right now in my recruits moving up in the company - just so you can know I'm not talking out my ass on this one - normally I'm jabbing and cynical or playful on these forums. But this is an important subject. Also, which engineering field are you degreed in....? I don't rely on HR at all. So keyword alignment is fine, but make sure you don't ruin your message accommodating that. 1 - Start to network with friends and family. 2 - Figure out what industry you want in then; 3 - Within that industry which jobs are you interested in and focus on those (the worst interview is when I ask the candidate what they want to do and they answer "oh, just about anything" - go away, I want someone who can communicate and has thought about their life.... 4 - You resume is most effective if you can QUANTIFY your accomplishments. (i.e., work on the widgit improvement project resulting in 80% improvement in efficiency, completing the project 4 weeks ahead of schecule, saving the company an estimated $20,000 per quarter. Anyone can do the work if they are smart and have a good attitude. But those that understand the impact of their work and how it fits in the big picture are valuable and can go places and can adapt to the needs as they evolve. I also place a good deal more emphasis on the cover letter and personal communications. Lastly, a resume is a tool for introspection. You need to spend a great deal of thought on it even if no one else ever sees it. The reason is you need to be clear who you are, what you've done, and what you want to do. ANY exercise where you look at yourself and gain understanding will make you a better interview and a better performer in both the short term and long term. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #9 March 5, 2004 QuoteUm, I think I will etl you put the buzz words. I'll just stick to my experience and education and let it speak for me. Besides fi all they look for are buzz words then I think I would rather work elsewhere. I have the education and experience too. An engineering degree, a finance degree, 15 years IT experience, and a thick folder of certifications. My job experience section is basically two-liners, but goes on for two pages. A lot of IT people post their resume on Monster. Does anyone believe that someone reads the 5,000 resumes that are posted there every day? When I worked for GTE, my job as tech lead was to review applications for my teams slots. One time I got 125 resumes. Now it is up to 500 for any given job. It is like spam. A friend is a recruiter. She does searches on Monster based on keywords. When you send her a resume, it is put into their database and parsed. Then she can do a keyword match there. Mom and Pop places have someone who does the books and reads the resumes. I'm just telling you how corporations and govt entities do this process. Your post started out as "Help!". You are welcome to pursue your own method. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
