slug 1 #76 March 5, 2004 QuoteIs it done yet? Haliburton? It's gone political it won't be over until after the election depending on who wins. Lets not forget about our troops and their families when they come home. R.I.P. SCR 2719 old fart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #77 March 5, 2004 >Since Haliburton is paying the money back, I think that the >statement (below) is true. OK, I'll agree that Halliburton often attempts to defraud the government but sometimes doesn't get away with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #78 March 5, 2004 Quote>Since Haliburton is paying the money back, I think that the >statement (below) is true. OK, I'll agree that Halliburton often attempts to defraud the government but sometimes doesn't get away with it. ***A Pentagon audit found Cheney's former company may have overcharged the Army by $1.09 per gallon for nearly 57 million gallons of gasoline delivered to citizens in Iraq, senior defense officials say. *** Seems even the Pentagon isn't sure they were overcharged. Glad you are so certain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #79 March 5, 2004 >Seems even the Pentagon isn't sure they were overcharged. Glad >you are so certain. So it's your position that they gave back a bunch of money because they didn't overcharge them in the case I mentioned? Sort of a donation to the US if you will? OK then! What a magnanimous and generous company. You must be proud to be a Halliburton supporter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #80 March 5, 2004 QuoteQuote>Since Haliburton is paying the money back, I think that the >statement (below) is true. OK, I'll agree that Halliburton often attempts to defraud the government but sometimes doesn't get away with it. ***A Pentagon audit found Cheney's former company may have overcharged the Army by $1.09 per gallon for nearly 57 million gallons of gasoline delivered to citizens in Iraq, senior defense officials say. *** Seems even the Pentagon isn't sure they were overcharged. Glad you are so certain. Sorry Gravitymaster IMO your quote May have is PIO double speak to save face for the contracting agency" vs . Google search may show that senior pentagon offical was in charge of the contracting agency that awarded the contract and was supposed to monitor their contractor. BTW isn't Halibuton out of the gasoline business in iraq for now..... Wonder why? To busy? Not worth the effort? May have gotten caught with hand in cookie jar. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #81 March 5, 2004 Quote>Seems even the Pentagon isn't sure they were overcharged. Glad >you are so certain. So it's your position that they gave back a bunch of money because they didn't overcharge them in the case I mentioned? Sort of a donation to the US if you will? OK then! What a magnanimous and generous company. You must be proud to be a Halliburton supporter. I never said anything of the kind. I simply answered a question about why Haliburton was chosen as the Contractor, and then pointed out that the excerpt from the article you posted that even the Pentagon wasn't as sure as you seem to be they were overcharged. How you come up with the rest of your ramblings, I have no idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #82 March 5, 2004 Slug, I am sending you and Bill Von to the Prof. Kallend School of Reading Comprehension. Please obtain a notarized Report Card and submit it along with a new application fee before continuing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #83 March 5, 2004 QuoteA Pentagon audit found Cheney's former company may have overcharged the Army by $1.09 per gallon QuoteSlug, I am sending you and Bill Von to the Prof. Kallend School of Reading Comprehension. Please obtain a notarized Report Card and submit it along with a new application fee before continuing. Yup, it may have been more than $1.09/gal that was overcharged.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #84 March 5, 2004 Quote QuoteA Pentagon audit found Cheney's former company may have overcharged the Army by $1.09 per gallon QuoteSlug, I am sending you and Bill Von to the Prof. Kallend School of Reading Comprehension. Please obtain a notarized Report Card and submit it along with a new application fee before continuing. Yup, it may have been more than $1.09/gal that was overcharged. Whew !!! At least they didn't LIE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #85 March 5, 2004 >How you come up with the rest of your ramblings, I have no idea. And I was simply showing that your claim that "As has been explained numerous times previously, the Govt doesn't just pay whatever a contractor demands to be paid" was false. They DID pay whatever this contractor demanded, charges that in some cases were fraudulent. In at least one case they paid back the overcharge; another case is under investigation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #86 March 5, 2004 QuoteSlug, I am sending you and Bill Von to the Prof. Kallend School of Reading Comprehension. Please obtain a notarized Report Card and submit it along with a new application fee before continuing. Sorry to see you gotta start digging in the dirt. So you think everyone is wrong except you. I'm honored to be mentioned in the same slam as the prof. and Bill. R.I.P. Hi Bill, Hi Prof, my names R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #87 March 5, 2004 Quote>How you come up with the rest of your ramblings, I have no idea. And I was simply showing that your claim that "As has been explained numerous times previously, the Govt doesn't just pay whatever a contractor demands to be paid" was false. They DID pay whatever this contractor demanded, charges that in some cases were fraudulent. In at least one case they paid back the overcharge; another case is under investigation. So they made some initial payments and then when reviewing the charges came up with some descreprencies. So what? As much of a mess as Iraq was after the cessation of major hostilities, don't you think it's just possible Haliburton hadn't secured reliable suppliers? Don't you think it's possible that after further assessment of the dangers involved, the suppliers decided to up their charges? Don't you think Haliburton knew the Govt. would be reviewing the charges? I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. When the IRS discovered the mistakes and notified me, I paid back what I owed. You act like this is some kind of massive conspiracy to defraud the taxpayers. Why do you think the Govt has Auditors? Why does everything have to be something nefarious? Last week I got home from the grocery store and after reviewing my receipt, discovered I didn't get charged the sale price for the apples. Is this the store intentionally ripping me off? Should I call the police and demand an investigation? Does this mean the grocery store is some evil villian out to steal my hard earned cash? No I simply went back and pointed out the error and they apologized and refunded the difference. Oh, I forgot. Cheney wasn't the former CEO of the grocery store so its OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #88 March 5, 2004 >I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. Not sure where you are going with taxes and groceries. Have you had two criminal investigations launched against you for fraud, and did you settle out of court to the tune of millions? If so the situation might be similar. Why the obsession with Halliburton, anyway? They are yet another company out for a buck. Not as bad as Worldcom, worse than most. Why defend them? (unless you think that since Cheney was their CEO they're on "your side" and thus must be defended for you to "win.") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #89 March 5, 2004 Quote>I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. Not sure where you are going with taxes and groceries. Have you had two criminal investigations launched against you for fraud, and did you settle out of court to the tune of millions? If so the situation might be similar. Why the obsession with Halliburton, anyway? They are yet another company out for a buck. Not as bad as Worldcom, worse than most. Why defend them? (unless you think that since Cheney was their CEO they're on "your side" and thus must be defended for you to "win.") I'm not defending Haliburton. I had some stock a while ago but have sold it, so I could care less about how they do financially. I simply responded to Skydekkers insinuation that there were other companies besides Haliburton who were capable of performing all the services necessary at the time. I still haven't recieved an answer from him with the name of another company who could have done the same job as Haliburton so I have to conclude one doesn't exist. Therefore my original statement is correct in as at least it is unchallenged. The issue then became whether the govt could be overcharged for services. Thats when you entered the discussion. I think where we are having a problem is with the definition of what an overcharge is. I contend this is difficult but not impossible and my only defense of Haliburton is the assertion that they are "Intentionally" ripping off the Govt. I don't think this has been proven and if it is eventually, then Haliburton should suffer whatever penalty is appropriate. Simply calling for an investigation in the current politically charged atmosphere in my opinion is perhaps, only for partisan reasons. My tax and grocery store tale only demonstrate that an over or under charge isn't necessarily done with criminal intent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #90 March 5, 2004 QuoteQuote>How you come up with the rest of your ramblings, I have no idea. And I was simply showing that your claim that "As has been explained numerous times previously, the Govt doesn't just pay whatever a contractor demands to be paid" was false. They DID pay whatever this contractor demanded, charges that in some cases were fraudulent. In at least one case they paid back the overcharge; another case is under investigation. So they made some initial payments and then when reviewing the charges came up with some descreprencies. So what? As much of a mess as Iraq was after the cessation of major hostilities, don't you think it's just possible Haliburton hadn't secured reliable suppliers? Don't you think it's possible that after further assessment of the dangers involved, the suppliers decided to up their charges? Don't you think Haliburton knew the Govt. would be reviewing the charges? I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. When the IRS discovered the mistakes and notified me, I paid back what I owed. You act like this is some kind of massive conspiracy to defraud the taxpayers. Why do you think the Govt has Auditors? Why does everything have to be something nefarious? Last week I got home from the grocery store and after reviewing my receipt, discovered I didn't get charged the sale price for the apples. Is this the store intentionally ripping me off? Should I call the police and demand an investigation? Does this mean the grocery store is some evil villian out to steal my hard earned cash? No I simply went back and pointed out the error and they apologized and refunded the difference. Oh, I forgot. Cheney wasn't the former CEO of the grocery store so its OK. This administration either makes an awful lot of mistakes, or it lies a lot, or maybe both. Dozens of examples have been pointed out to you (don't make me list them again), and you always have an excuse for them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #91 March 5, 2004 Nice little run in this thread on overcharges. Now the U.N. {the bastion of goodness as far as the angry left are concerned} they have spotless bookkeeping records as far as dealings with Iraq are concerned... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #92 March 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote>How you come up with the rest of your ramblings, I have no idea. And I was simply showing that your claim that "As has been explained numerous times previously, the Govt doesn't just pay whatever a contractor demands to be paid" was false. They DID pay whatever this contractor demanded, charges that in some cases were fraudulent. In at least one case they paid back the overcharge; another case is under investigation. So they made some initial payments and then when reviewing the charges came up with some descreprencies. So what? As much of a mess as Iraq was after the cessation of major hostilities, don't you think it's just possible Haliburton hadn't secured reliable suppliers? Don't you think it's possible that after further assessment of the dangers involved, the suppliers decided to up their charges? Don't you think Haliburton knew the Govt. would be reviewing the charges? I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. When the IRS discovered the mistakes and notified me, I paid back what I owed. You act like this is some kind of massive conspiracy to defraud the taxpayers. Why do you think the Govt has Auditors? Why does everything have to be something nefarious? Last week I got home from the grocery store and after reviewing my receipt, discovered I didn't get charged the sale price for the apples. Is this the store intentionally ripping me off? Should I call the police and demand an investigation? Does this mean the grocery store is some evil villian out to steal my hard earned cash? No I simply went back and pointed out the error and they apologized and refunded the difference. Oh, I forgot. Cheney wasn't the former CEO of the grocery store so its OK. This administration either makes an awful lot of mistakes, or it lies a lot, or maybe both. Dozens of examples have been pointed out to you (don't make me list them again), and you always have an excuse for them. How is this in any way related to "This Administration"? Oh, I'm sorry in your world Bush is this Mastermind who has complete hynotic-like control over every department of the govt. He weilds this incredible power only for the enrichment of his friends. No, wait, that can't be it either becasue he's also a moron. Wait, I know. GHB hatched a diabolical plan while controlling the country as head of the CIA. He secretly had Barbara Bush kidnapped by space aliens and inseminated with the semen of a chimpanze to create a moron likeness of himself who never attended College, never served in the ANG. Then they drugged America so they would elect him. PNAC then arranged for Islamic radicals to fly the planes into the WTC to create a sense of panic and fear in the coutry so John Ashcroft, who in really a space alien, could come in and take away everyones civil rights. Haliburton, which is just an acronym for the league of space aliens led by Paul Wolfowicz, GHB, Ronald Reagan (he's really not ill hes' flying around the Earth in the Mother ship with Richard Nixon) and the Christian Coalition. Their power exceeds any ever dreamed about even in the darkest comic book ever published as they are able to throw Mind Controlling Fairy Dust in the face of any career bureacrat and cause them to do exactly what the Master Plan calls for. This plan will be revealed later, after the election. Run America and the world....run for your lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #93 March 6, 2004 Just lose the part about the aliens, and thats close enough. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #94 March 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>How you come up with the rest of your ramblings, I have no idea. And I was simply showing that your claim that "As has been explained numerous times previously, the Govt doesn't just pay whatever a contractor demands to be paid" was false. They DID pay whatever this contractor demanded, charges that in some cases were fraudulent. In at least one case they paid back the overcharge; another case is under investigation. So they made some initial payments and then when reviewing the charges came up with some descreprencies. So what? As much of a mess as Iraq was after the cessation of major hostilities, don't you think it's just possible Haliburton hadn't secured reliable suppliers? Don't you think it's possible that after further assessment of the dangers involved, the suppliers decided to up their charges? Don't you think Haliburton knew the Govt. would be reviewing the charges? I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. When the IRS discovered the mistakes and notified me, I paid back what I owed. You act like this is some kind of massive conspiracy to defraud the taxpayers. Why do you think the Govt has Auditors? Why does everything have to be something nefarious? Last week I got home from the grocery store and after reviewing my receipt, discovered I didn't get charged the sale price for the apples. Is this the store intentionally ripping me off? Should I call the police and demand an investigation? Does this mean the grocery store is some evil villian out to steal my hard earned cash? No I simply went back and pointed out the error and they apologized and refunded the difference. Oh, I forgot. Cheney wasn't the former CEO of the grocery store so its OK. This administration either makes an awful lot of mistakes, or it lies a lot, or maybe both. Dozens of examples have been pointed out to you (don't make me list them again), and you always have an excuse for them. How is this in any way related to "This Administration"? Quote Last time I checked the no-bid contract was awarded by the current administration. If you can't/won't see the link, that is hardly my fault.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #95 March 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>How you come up with the rest of your ramblings, I have no idea. And I was simply showing that your claim that "As has been explained numerous times previously, the Govt doesn't just pay whatever a contractor demands to be paid" was false. They DID pay whatever this contractor demanded, charges that in some cases were fraudulent. In at least one case they paid back the overcharge; another case is under investigation. So they made some initial payments and then when reviewing the charges came up with some descreprencies. So what? As much of a mess as Iraq was after the cessation of major hostilities, don't you think it's just possible Haliburton hadn't secured reliable suppliers? Don't you think it's possible that after further assessment of the dangers involved, the suppliers decided to up their charges? Don't you think Haliburton knew the Govt. would be reviewing the charges? I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. When the IRS discovered the mistakes and notified me, I paid back what I owed. You act like this is some kind of massive conspiracy to defraud the taxpayers. Why do you think the Govt has Auditors? Why does everything have to be something nefarious? Last week I got home from the grocery store and after reviewing my receipt, discovered I didn't get charged the sale price for the apples. Is this the store intentionally ripping me off? Should I call the police and demand an investigation? Does this mean the grocery store is some evil villian out to steal my hard earned cash? No I simply went back and pointed out the error and they apologized and refunded the difference. Oh, I forgot. Cheney wasn't the former CEO of the grocery store so its OK. This administration either makes an awful lot of mistakes, or it lies a lot, or maybe both. Dozens of examples have been pointed out to you (don't make me list them again), and you always have an excuse for them. How is this in any way related to "This Administration"? Quote Last time I checked the no-bid contract was awarded by the current administration. If you can't/won't see the link, that is hardly my fault. And so now the circle is complete. Bwahahah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beerlight 0 #96 March 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteThis will not just affect Iraq but also Iran, Turkey, Syria, Jordan and the Golf States. Golf states like Arizona, California and Florida? That was excellent.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beerlight 0 #97 March 6, 2004 QuoteSaw the news about the latest massacre in Iraq and thought about how the US administration claims how much better off the Iraqis are now. Some Iraqis do not agree, from the wires: " THREE Iraqi Shiite Muslim leaders have blamed the United States and its security policies as the occupying power for the devastating attacks in Karbala and Baghdad.Quote OMG, three complained....? Hope the US learns quickly and reviews its approach. (Maybe by January) Seriously, quit lumping everyone into one category. Although I have to agree that US involvement in Iraq, is the right thing to do... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #98 March 6, 2004 [qute]I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. When the IRS discovered the mistakes and notified me... Considering the odds against the IRS discovering an honest mistake this implies highly imaginative tax planing, "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Gravitymaster 0 #95 March 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>How you come up with the rest of your ramblings, I have no idea. And I was simply showing that your claim that "As has been explained numerous times previously, the Govt doesn't just pay whatever a contractor demands to be paid" was false. They DID pay whatever this contractor demanded, charges that in some cases were fraudulent. In at least one case they paid back the overcharge; another case is under investigation. So they made some initial payments and then when reviewing the charges came up with some descreprencies. So what? As much of a mess as Iraq was after the cessation of major hostilities, don't you think it's just possible Haliburton hadn't secured reliable suppliers? Don't you think it's possible that after further assessment of the dangers involved, the suppliers decided to up their charges? Don't you think Haliburton knew the Govt. would be reviewing the charges? I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. When the IRS discovered the mistakes and notified me, I paid back what I owed. You act like this is some kind of massive conspiracy to defraud the taxpayers. Why do you think the Govt has Auditors? Why does everything have to be something nefarious? Last week I got home from the grocery store and after reviewing my receipt, discovered I didn't get charged the sale price for the apples. Is this the store intentionally ripping me off? Should I call the police and demand an investigation? Does this mean the grocery store is some evil villian out to steal my hard earned cash? No I simply went back and pointed out the error and they apologized and refunded the difference. Oh, I forgot. Cheney wasn't the former CEO of the grocery store so its OK. This administration either makes an awful lot of mistakes, or it lies a lot, or maybe both. Dozens of examples have been pointed out to you (don't make me list them again), and you always have an excuse for them. How is this in any way related to "This Administration"? Quote Last time I checked the no-bid contract was awarded by the current administration. If you can't/won't see the link, that is hardly my fault. And so now the circle is complete. Bwahahah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beerlight 0 #96 March 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteThis will not just affect Iraq but also Iran, Turkey, Syria, Jordan and the Golf States. Golf states like Arizona, California and Florida? That was excellent.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beerlight 0 #97 March 6, 2004 QuoteSaw the news about the latest massacre in Iraq and thought about how the US administration claims how much better off the Iraqis are now. Some Iraqis do not agree, from the wires: " THREE Iraqi Shiite Muslim leaders have blamed the United States and its security policies as the occupying power for the devastating attacks in Karbala and Baghdad.Quote OMG, three complained....? Hope the US learns quickly and reviews its approach. (Maybe by January) Seriously, quit lumping everyone into one category. Although I have to agree that US involvement in Iraq, is the right thing to do... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #98 March 6, 2004 [qute]I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. When the IRS discovered the mistakes and notified me... Considering the odds against the IRS discovering an honest mistake this implies highly imaginative tax planing, "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Beerlight 0 #96 March 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteThis will not just affect Iraq but also Iran, Turkey, Syria, Jordan and the Golf States. Golf states like Arizona, California and Florida? That was excellent.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #97 March 6, 2004 QuoteSaw the news about the latest massacre in Iraq and thought about how the US administration claims how much better off the Iraqis are now. Some Iraqis do not agree, from the wires: " THREE Iraqi Shiite Muslim leaders have blamed the United States and its security policies as the occupying power for the devastating attacks in Karbala and Baghdad.Quote OMG, three complained....? Hope the US learns quickly and reviews its approach. (Maybe by January) Seriously, quit lumping everyone into one category. Although I have to agree that US involvement in Iraq, is the right thing to do... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #98 March 6, 2004 [qute]I've made mistakes when I filed my taxes several times. When the IRS discovered the mistakes and notified me... Considering the odds against the IRS discovering an honest mistake this implies highly imaginative tax planing, "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
