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QuoteI don't know how ignorant the Arabs are but, I'm real sure about the ignorance of the folks who skipped into Iraq thinking they were going to privatize Iraqi oil.
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Please provide a non-biased, fact based source to support your accusation.
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If you whant to learn about nobid billion dollar contracts to Halburton look it up yourself.
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QuoteIf you whant to learn about nobid billion dollar contracts to Halburton look it up yourself.
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I'm very familiar with the process under which Haliburton was selected and the reasons why. You, on the other hand apparently can't back up your claim that the Iraqi War was for oil, with any reliable source. Which means your comment is reduced to political bomb-throwing, a sure indication of ignorance. A self assessment?
kiltboy 0
Eh?
I had a look at the UK contingent;
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/forces.htm
Which provides a pretty good idea of the forces contributed. I tried to track down Lithuania and as far as I can tell they allowed for overflights and that's it. Iceland has a defense force that is mostly from NATO countries (primarily the US) so I didn't see a standing army from which it could contribute. I've already guestioned the crack Uzbecki light infantry??? Or the mongol horde???
I've also noted that the significant contribution for most of the countries listed is to Afghanistan and not Iraq.
I should also point out that there are French and German troops in Afghanistan as most folks tend to forget that and go off on a French bashing tangent.
http://www.operations.mod.uk/fingal/orbat.htm
That being said the forces in Iraq are not the mix of over 40 that you suggest.
David
I had a look at the UK contingent;
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/forces.htm
Which provides a pretty good idea of the forces contributed. I tried to track down Lithuania and as far as I can tell they allowed for overflights and that's it. Iceland has a defense force that is mostly from NATO countries (primarily the US) so I didn't see a standing army from which it could contribute. I've already guestioned the crack Uzbecki light infantry??? Or the mongol horde???
I've also noted that the significant contribution for most of the countries listed is to Afghanistan and not Iraq.
I should also point out that there are French and German troops in Afghanistan as most folks tend to forget that and go off on a French bashing tangent.
http://www.operations.mod.uk/fingal/orbat.htm
That being said the forces in Iraq are not the mix of over 40 that you suggest.
David
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteI'm very familiar with the process under which Haliburton was selected and the reasons why.
Really, then please tell me why Haliburton is the only company capable of supplying US Troops with laundry service? Or meal service? Or build shelter? Or deliver mail?
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For once I actually agree with Gawain on this. I don't see the various factions of Iraq "playing nicely" unless they are ruled with an iron fist. Therefore, we have two, maybe three choices. Give up these "liberation and democracy" goals and truly occupy; give up said goals and let another (hopefully pro-US dictatorship form); let the groups choose to separate from each other and bring in NATO, UN, whoever to help keep the peace between the individual autonomous units, who may, if they so choose, seek to unify in the future. Personally I think option 3 is the best.
Translation:
The Arabs are a bunch of ignorant rag-heads who only understand an iron fist to keep them in line. Nice.
So, by the logical conclusion your translation has reached, any nation which finds itself divided and in a state of civil war is simply a nation of ignorant people?
Never go to a DZ strip show.
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For once I actually agree with Gawain on this. I don't see the various factions of Iraq "playing nicely" unless they are ruled with an iron fist. Therefore, we have two, maybe three choices. Give up these "liberation and democracy" goals and truly occupy; give up said goals and let another (hopefully pro-US dictatorship form); let the groups choose to separate from each other and bring in NATO, UN, whoever to help keep the peace between the individual autonomous units, who may, if they so choose, seek to unify in the future. Personally I think option 3 is the best.
Translation:
The Arabs are a bunch of ignorant rag-heads who only understand an iron fist to keep them in line. Nice.
So, by the logical conclusion your translation has reached, any nation which finds itself divided and in a state of civil war is simply a nation of ignorant people?
Hey, you are the one who said it, Mr. Metrosexual.
benny 0
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For once I actually agree with Gawain on this. I don't see the various factions of Iraq "playing nicely" unless they are ruled with an iron fist. Therefore, we have two, maybe three choices. Give up these "liberation and democracy" goals and truly occupy; give up said goals and let another (hopefully pro-US dictatorship form); let the groups choose to separate from each other and bring in NATO, UN, whoever to help keep the peace between the individual autonomous units, who may, if they so choose, seek to unify in the future. Personally I think option 3 is the best.
Translation:
The Arabs are a bunch of ignorant rag-heads who only understand an iron fist to keep them in line. Nice.
So, by the logical conclusion your translation has reached, any nation which finds itself divided and in a state of civil war is simply a nation of ignorant people?
Hey, you are the one who said it, Mr. Metrosexual.
Hey, where ya been lately anyway GM? It's nice to see ya, I was starting to miss your inane banter
Never go to a DZ strip show.
QuoteQuoteI'm very familiar with the process under which Haliburton was selected and the reasons why.
Really, then please tell me why Haliburton is the only company capable of supplying US Troops with laundry service? Or meal service? Or build shelter? Or deliver mail?
As hard as it is for the conspiracy crowd to believe, Haliburton was in fact the only company who on short notice, could provide all these services. Can you provide the name of another company who could? Please let us know who.
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For once I actually agree with Gawain on this. I don't see the various factions of Iraq "playing nicely" unless they are ruled with an iron fist. Therefore, we have two, maybe three choices. Give up these "liberation and democracy" goals and truly occupy; give up said goals and let another (hopefully pro-US dictatorship form); let the groups choose to separate from each other and bring in NATO, UN, whoever to help keep the peace between the individual autonomous units, who may, if they so choose, seek to unify in the future. Personally I think option 3 is the best.
Translation:
The Arabs are a bunch of ignorant rag-heads who only understand an iron fist to keep them in line. Nice.
So, by the logical conclusion your translation has reached, any nation which finds itself divided and in a state of civil war is simply a nation of ignorant people?
Hey, you are the one who said it, Mr. Metrosexual.
Hey, where ya been lately anyway GM? It's nice to see ya, I was starting to miss your inane banter
I've been out pilaging the environment, stealing food and prescription drugs from children and old people and shooting up the town with my AK47's. While at the same time, ripping off my employees by embezzeling their retirement income. You?
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I've been out pilaging the environment, stealing food and prescription drugs from children and old people and shooting up the town with my AK47's. While at the same time, ripping off my employees by embezzeling their retirement income. You?
That sounds like quite a time. I've been doing a little pillaging myself, Jet-A is bad right? Yup, got myself 6 jumps on Sunday, most I've ever done in a day. Other than that, stealing food from my parents and buying dr... oops, i mean beers from the elderly and participating in mass circle jerks, what else would any good democrat be up to?
Never go to a DZ strip show.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteAs hard as it is for the conspiracy crowd to believe, Haliburton was in fact the only company who on short notice, could provide all these services. Can you provide the name of another company who could? Please let us know who.
I think in every industry it is prudent to at least give other companies the option of proving they would be capable of handling these items/services. I think good business/governing would call for competitive bids especially when the VP used to be/still is tied to the company.
If Halliburton really was the only company who could provide these services, why not go through a bid process to show that to the American public?
damion75 0
Ok kiltboy! Is this a troll?Let me give you a clue... I am currently working in the main coalition forces HQ in Baghdad... and you are where? Scotland. Hmmm - who is more likely to be correct?
1. There are two Iceland officers in the British Led Multi-national division South East.
2. I eat dinner with three very pleasant Lithuanian officers here in Baghdad every day
3. The Polish lead Multi-national division Centre South represents 21 different nations on its own
4. Looking up a website on Op TELIC will not give you information about Aghanistan as that is Op FINGAL and Op TARROCK.
5. Some of the nations represented:
US, UK, Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Netherlands, Spain, Romania, S Korea, Denmark, Thailand, El Salvador, Honduras, Bulgaria, Dominican Republic, Hungary, Australia, Mongolia, Latvia, Azerbaijan, Norway, Portugal, Lithuania, Nicaragua, Phillipines, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Albania, Georgia, New Zealand, Moldova, Macedonia, Estonia, Japan, Khazakstan, Canada, Iceland
There are a couple of others which do not wish to have their representation known for political reasons...
Sorry kiltboy - you cant learn everything sitting on your bum over the internet!! Sometimes you've just got to get out there where the action is...
1. There are two Iceland officers in the British Led Multi-national division South East.
2. I eat dinner with three very pleasant Lithuanian officers here in Baghdad every day
3. The Polish lead Multi-national division Centre South represents 21 different nations on its own
4. Looking up a website on Op TELIC will not give you information about Aghanistan as that is Op FINGAL and Op TARROCK.
5. Some of the nations represented:
US, UK, Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Netherlands, Spain, Romania, S Korea, Denmark, Thailand, El Salvador, Honduras, Bulgaria, Dominican Republic, Hungary, Australia, Mongolia, Latvia, Azerbaijan, Norway, Portugal, Lithuania, Nicaragua, Phillipines, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Albania, Georgia, New Zealand, Moldova, Macedonia, Estonia, Japan, Khazakstan, Canada, Iceland
There are a couple of others which do not wish to have their representation known for political reasons...
Sorry kiltboy - you cant learn everything sitting on your bum over the internet!! Sometimes you've just got to get out there where the action is...
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Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus.
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Hi GM
This is getting off topic. But I'll Try and respond.
As hard as it is for the conspiracy crowd to believe, Haliburton was in fact the only company who on short notice, could provide all these services. Can you provide the name of another company who could? Please let us know who.
This is getting off topic. But I'll Try and respond.
As hard as it is for the conspiracy crowd to believe, Haliburton was in fact the only company who on short notice, could provide all these services. Can you provide the name of another company who could? Please let us know who.
I agree there was no "conspiracy" it was stupidity by the US contracting agency.
Another company that could have provided the service's? Who did it during Gulf war one. There were a lot of different Oil well fire companies working to put out the oil fires during gulf war one, The threat of oil well fires was the origional reason for hiring haliburten.
Can we go back to the origional sunject now. With or withour Haliburtin we're in deep do do.
R.I.P.
benny 0
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There are a couple of others which do not wish to have their representation known for political reasons...
The fact that those countries' citizens would revolt if you let out their dirty little secret is something to look angelic about?
Never go to a DZ strip show.
kiltboy 0
Not a troll at all.
I started in Scotland and I'm currently in Connecticut.
Know a guy who was there when the shooting was going on and he's now in Kabul. I won't go into more detail as this is an open forum but I've heard some of what happened from folk that were there.
I was merely pointing out the scale of the contribution of the various countries and from what I've read the minor contributors have been liaison officers. Not sure how effective that is other than as show of solidarity to the US i.e. more political than militarily significant.
From your post 2 Icelandic officers and 3 Lithuanian officers. I'm not going to dig for their role but I've not seen mention of engineer companies, field hospitals etc from those countries so I'm assuming that they haven't deployed as part of a formed unit in it's normal role. Is that the sole contribution from those countries? Not digging just explaining what I've read and my interpretation.
Some of the stuff I've seen regarding the coalition had more detail on Afghanistan and I linked to Op Fingal to show those forces in Afghanistan but did you not read that far down the post or did that not come across? There seems to be a merging of Iraq and Afghanistan in media reports here so I was trying to split the difference.
And while "you can't learn everything sitting on your bum over the internet" you can read between the lines if you go to some decent sources. Or is the MoD not a decent source? Would you prefer the Sun? The Telegraph has been more fun of late with th KHR sex scandal as they seem to have overtaken the RLC on that account.
It wasn't a troll it was an attempt to put a perspective on the 40 countries claim and what the actual contributions from those countries were.
Take it easy and stay out the sun.
David
I started in Scotland and I'm currently in Connecticut.
Know a guy who was there when the shooting was going on and he's now in Kabul. I won't go into more detail as this is an open forum but I've heard some of what happened from folk that were there.
I was merely pointing out the scale of the contribution of the various countries and from what I've read the minor contributors have been liaison officers. Not sure how effective that is other than as show of solidarity to the US i.e. more political than militarily significant.
From your post 2 Icelandic officers and 3 Lithuanian officers. I'm not going to dig for their role but I've not seen mention of engineer companies, field hospitals etc from those countries so I'm assuming that they haven't deployed as part of a formed unit in it's normal role. Is that the sole contribution from those countries? Not digging just explaining what I've read and my interpretation.
Some of the stuff I've seen regarding the coalition had more detail on Afghanistan and I linked to Op Fingal to show those forces in Afghanistan but did you not read that far down the post or did that not come across? There seems to be a merging of Iraq and Afghanistan in media reports here so I was trying to split the difference.
And while "you can't learn everything sitting on your bum over the internet" you can read between the lines if you go to some decent sources. Or is the MoD not a decent source? Would you prefer the Sun? The Telegraph has been more fun of late with th KHR sex scandal as they seem to have overtaken the RLC on that account.
It wasn't a troll it was an attempt to put a perspective on the 40 countries claim and what the actual contributions from those countries were.
Take it easy and stay out the sun.
David
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Says one thing, does another.
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Well, I guess it depends on how you want to interpret recent events . . . to date, no nation has been built.
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