ZPX for Reserves

[glgflyer 0]

Has anyone heard any updates as to when Aerodyne might be releasing a reserve canopy with the new ZPX material?

[sundevil777 102]

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Has anyone heard any updates as to when Aerodyne might be releasing a reserve canopy with the new ZPX material?

Has Aerodyne hinted that they would be doing that?

The honeycomb concept for the fabric might be an advantage over square weave, but no real need for ZP material. It has been said (can't remember by who/what mfg) that typical ZP mat'l is actually more vulnerable to catastrophic tearing than non-ZP.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[glgflyer 0]

I was told by the Aerodyne Rep (I think Les was his name) this past March at the St. Patricks Day Boogie In Fitzgerald, Ga. that they were actually working on a reserve using the ZPX material then. He indicated that there was a possibility it could be ready for release by years end but I have heard nothing since that time. I sent an email to Aerodyne about a week ago inquiring about it but have not received a reply. I will probably just give them a call this week and actually talk to a rep and see if they are making any progress.

[glgflyer 0]

I just received a reply back from Aerodyne and I was wrong. It will not be made from ZPX but will be a low pack volume honeycomb weave. Here is the actual e-mail from Aerodyne:

"We will be offering a reserve in a low pack volume honeycomb material
but it will not be ZPX.
We are still in the testing phases and do not expect to be able to
offer that until the beginning of next year at the soonest.
Thank you
Sandy Kimball
Aerodyne research"

[sundevil777 102]

As I suggested, very nice - competitor to the PD Optimum. I was just a little too early in my needs to get a large Optimum, it will be interesting to see the price of a honeycomb fabric reserve, and to see if they claim increased strength or tear damage/limitation.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[AndyMan 7]

I'm hearing not-so-positive things about dimensional stability with ZPX. I'm not sure why you'd want a reserve made from it!

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[glgflyer 0]

Remenber, just because you are HEARING these things does not exactly make it TRUE.

[AndyMan 7]

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Remenber, just because you are HEARING these things does not exactly make it TRUE.

Well, that may be true.

As for me? I've heard enough, and wouldnt' touch the stuff.

Your mileage may vary,

_Am

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[sundevil777 102]

It is actually quite interesting to touch.

I was quite willing to take a risk on it for my main. I think materials engineers are quite capable of evaluating materials such as this. Testing it would not be a mystery, no reason why flaws wouldn't have been discovered in such testing.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[glgflyer 0]

Yea, I think I remember hearing some similar remarks from people when zero porosity was first tested also. Or, for that matter, even when ram airs first hit the testing market.

[AndyMan 7]

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[theonlyski 8]

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I'm hearing not-so-positive things about dimensional stability with ZPX. I'm not sure why you'd want a reserve made from it!

_Am

What's causing the instability?

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[verticalflier 0]

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I'm hearing not-so-positive things about dimensional stability with ZPX. I'm not sure why you'd want a reserve made from it!

_Am

I am not sure why would anyone want to use a Mac not a PC?
As for me I have touched it, packed it and flown it for just about 2 years now. The ZPX, honeycomb ZP, material offers great alternative to a pack volume issues. The honeycomb material based reserve will offer the same for our Smart reserve, and it is always nice to have more than just one choice of gear.

[AndyMan 7]

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I am not sure why would anyone want to use a Mac not a PC?
As for me I have touched it, packed it and flown it for just about 2 years now. The ZPX, honeycomb ZP, material offers great alternative to a pack volume issues. The honeycomb material based reserve will offer the same for our Smart reserve, and it is always nice to have more than just one choice of gear.

Wow, sounds like I struck a chord!

Regardless, I've seen it, jumped it, inspected it, and heard similar feedback from others. It's a fine fabric for light wingloading mains, but I have higher standards for reserves. Reserves should be dependable, and to me - this fabric is not. I don't recommend it. Maybe the new stuff will be better, so we'll see.

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[theonlyski 8]

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I am not sure why would anyone want to use a Mac not a PC?
As for me I have touched it, packed it and flown it for just about 2 years now. The ZPX, honeycomb ZP, material offers great alternative to a pack volume issues. The honeycomb material based reserve will offer the same for our Smart reserve, and it is always nice to have more than just one choice of gear.

Wow, sounds like I struck a chord!

Regardless, I've seen it, jumped it, inspected it, and heard similar feedback from others. It's a fine fabric for light wingloading mains, but I have higher standards for reserves. Reserves should be dependable, and to me - this fabric is not. I don't recommend it. Maybe the new stuff will be better, so we'll see.

_Am

Again, I ask... Why?

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_Am

Oh yes. The ole "you didn't fill out your profile so you can't be taken seriously and profiles can't be faked so the info must be real" response. Gotta love it.

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_Am

Oh yes. The ole "you didn't fill out your profile so you can't be taken seriously and profiles can't be faked so the info must be real" response. Gotta love it.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[AndyMan 7]

Personally, I have no respect for someone who won't stand behind their words. If you disagree with me fine, but if you won't sign your name then I simply do not care, and don't value a word you say. Your opinion really doesn't matter - It really is that simple.

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[glgflyer 0]

Hey man, that's fine if you really want to feel that way about me simply because you thought I didn't agree with exactly what you said. But if you will look back at the two replies I made to you, I think you will see that I never agreed OR disagreed with you. I simply made a couple of statements that are absolutely fact.

First, I said "Remember, just because you are HEARING these things does not exactly make it TRUE."

Second, I said " Yea, I think I remember hearing some similar remarks from people when zero porosity was first tested also. Or, for that matter, even when ram airs first hit the testing market."

Both those statements are nothing short of being fact. So, if you want to use the fact that I choose not to spread some of my personal information out across the internet to pound me with, then that's fine with me. I can take it, and I can take it and not feel hard at you. But remember, I do have a right to an opinion just the same as you do. My original post was about trying to get some information about when this low pack volume reserve from Aerodyne might be available. It wasn't about getting someone's opinion concerning what they think about the concept itself. As a result of my post, I got the information I needed and that's what it was about. Also, I actually feel bad about getting into this type conversation on these forums as it is very much out of my character. If you will take a moment to scan through all the posts I have ever made here I think you will see that for yourself. Hope you have many years of happy jumping ahead.

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[verticalflier 0]

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I am not sure why would anyone want to use a Mac not a PC?
As for me I have touched it, packed it and flown it for just about 2 years now. The ZPX, honeycomb ZP, material offers great alternative to a pack volume issues. The honeycomb material based reserve will offer the same for our Smart reserve, and it is always nice to have more than just one choice of gear.

Wow, sounds like I struck a chord!

Regardless, I've seen it, jumped it, inspected it, and heard similar feedback from others. It's a fine fabric for light wingloading mains, but I have higher standards for reserves. Reserves should be dependable, and to me - this fabric is not. I don't recommend it. Maybe the new stuff will be better, so we'll see.

_Am

No, you have missed the cord. And you are wrong again about ZPX being good for only lightly loaded mains. I fly Mamba 96 with 2:1 wing loading and it performs just fine. So did Sensei 71 though I don't have 1000+ jumps on it.
Since you have not seen, touched, inspected and flown Smart reserve made out of honeycomb material then there is no need to speculate.
Like with any other product, let it come out to the market and give it a chance to prove itself.
After all, isn't it nice that manufacturers are trying to bring better innovations to the sport? Would you rather still be jumping rounds?

[AndyMan 7]

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Since you have not seen, touched, inspected and flown Smart reserve made out of honeycomb material then there is no need to speculate.
Like with any other product, let it come out to the market and give it a chance to prove itself.
After all, isn't it nice that manufacturers are trying to bring better innovations to the sport? Would you rather still be jumping rounds?

I'm tired of this, so I'll only say one thing. You misunderstood. I HAVE seen it, I HAVE touched it, I HAVE inspected it, and I HAVE jumped it. I do not form strong opinions easily. I do not think this fabric is ready for prime time. Of course you're free to disagree.

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[verticalflier 0]

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Since you have not seen, touched, inspected and flown Smart reserve made out of honeycomb material then there is no need to speculate.
Like with any other product, let it come out to the market and give it a chance to prove itself.
After all, isn't it nice that manufacturers are trying to bring better innovations to the sport? Would you rather still be jumping rounds?

I'm tired of this, so I'll only say one thing. You misunderstood. I HAVE seen it, I HAVE touched it, I HAVE inspected it, and I HAVE jumped it. I do not form strong opinions easily. I do not think this fabric is ready for prime time. Of course you're free to disagree.

_Am

No need to get bend out of shape, especially if you know you have your facts straight. There have been only 3 people in the US, that have flown Smart Reserve built out of honeycomb material, and you are not one of them. I would know if you were.
You are confusing ZPX main canopies and use of zero porosity material, which ZPX is, with reserves which this whole post is about.
Aerodyne will not be building reserves out of ZPX, which is zero porosity material. ZP reserves have been tried before and they did not work well, there is no need to repeat same mistakes.
There will be a low pack volume Smart build out of honeycomb material, but it will not be zero porosity. It will be F111 type of material like all other reserves are build out of including Optimum reserve. As I have said, stop speculating and let it see the daylight, it is being test jumped right now. When we are happy with it, it will be available on the market and you will have a chance to see it, touch it, inspect it and maybe even fly it, or not. I have seen, touched but never flown the Optimum either.

[rhys 0]

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I'm tired of this, so I'll only say one thing. You misunderstood. I HAVE seen it, I HAVE touched it, I HAVE inspected it, and I HAVE jumped it. I do not form strong opinions easily. I do not think this fabric is ready for prime time. Of course you're free to disagree.

I'll interject here to ask you as others already have;

What is it that you feel is negative about the fabric and why is it not ready for prime time?

You can put your foot down and accuse peope of not filling out their profile but to be understood you actually have to explain yourself!

Would you care to try.

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[billvon 3,096]

>Yea, I think I remember hearing some similar remarks from people
>when zero porosity was first tested also.

Yep. There were some problems indeed. PD had a serious problem with porosity from their 'silver' color. It looked really cool but didn't last very long; they retired it I believe. Then there was the Aerodyne "high bulk blue" - I had a Triathalon 135 that packed up like a 160.

Fortunately I didn't pay a lot for the canopy, and they later got the blue thing sorted out. That's the sort of thing you risk being an early adopter.

[BlindBrick 0]

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Regardless, I've seen it, jumped it, inspected it, and heard similar feedback from others. It's a fine fabric for light wingloading mains

I've heard that Aerodyne had some fairly significant issues when they made some Sensei's from zpx.

-Blind

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