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QuoteSeriously though, how much of an effect is the frivolous law suit epedemic having on the gun industry, how many manufacturers have been shut down, how many jobs have been lost, what's the economic impact?
Would answers to these questions change your mind?
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Jim
Well, it would certainly fuel thought...
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Well, while it was mostly Democrats, there were a significant number of Republicans that had to cross the aisle for this to pass 52-47.
Vote Count HERE.
I, uh, notice that you appear to have little pull in your own home state of Florida. Did you vote?
Did you write your Senators about the subject? I did.
Vote Count HERE.
I, uh, notice that you appear to have little pull in your own home state of Florida. Did you vote?
Did you write your Senators about the subject? I did.
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QuoteWell, while it was mostly Democrats, there were a significant number of Republicans that had to cross the aisle for this to pass 52-47.
Vote Count HERE.
I, uh, notice that you appear to have little pull in your own home state of Florida. Did you vote?
10 Rep as a matter of fact!
Damn libs...
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I ask again...what do you think the definition of assault weapon is as it relates to the bill?
IMHO... full auto? large clips? Can shoot through buildings?
Well....than you might want to actually read the bill before spouting off your support for it. Full auto has been restricted since long before the assault weapon ban and this ban has nothing to do with full auto weapons.
Can shoot through buildings? I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. A .22 can shoot through some buildings....???????? Again, this has nothing to do with the existing bill.
Large clips (actually magazines)...why? I have a Glock 9mm. In it's original design, 17 rounds fit in the magazine that fits completely within the grip. It was designed for the number of rounds, it was designed to fit my hand, that's just what fits in there. Now, I can only have 10 round mags (although I have 17 round mags because mine were manufactured before the ban, but ignore that for a second). Suppose I only have 10 round mags....well, I can carry 2 of them, or 5 , or 10. It' takes a second to change magazines. What's the point? What good does it do? Don't you think a restricting law should have some benefit?
So, out of what you want banned, the only part of it that this bill covers is the magazine capacity limit, which, is really pretty useless. Please tell me what the benefit of that restriction is. Don't reply with "why do you need that many rounds". The answer is, because I do. If you want to restrict what I want, than give me a good reason why it makes sense.
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Well....than you might want to actually read the bill before spouting off your support for it.
Easy now... I NEVER said I supported the bill. I am just sick of the rationalizations of pro-gun folks...
QuoteIf you want to restrict what I want, than give me a good reason why it makes sense.
Again... I NEVER said I supported the bill, but why do people need these weapons? To defend themselves from other gun-toting folks? And PLEASE don't quote the 2nd amendment.
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QuoteSeriously though, how much of an effect is the frivolous law suit epedemic having on the gun industry, how many manufacturers have been shut down, how many jobs have been lost, what's the economic impact?
Do a little research on the subject, my friend. The industry has spent $40,000,000 on defending themselves against these bullshit lawsuits, which have all but a few been dismissed. What do you think is the net worth of Ruger firearms, the largest gun mfgr in the country? (hint: say less than what the industry has paid so far)
Yes, these lawsuits bring in all the manufacturers to defend themselves. Most of the city lawsuits have a laundry list of defendants. They are suing Winchester AND the maker of the tec-9 (which operates exactly the same as a 1911 or a SIG, btw--one pull, one round, single action).
These lawsuits set precedence so lawyers can go after other law-abiding manufacturers of legal products--many of which are used by law enforcement. After the gun manufacturers are shut down (defacto gun control) precedent will be established for lawsuits against Budweiser, Chevrolet, Harley Davidson, General Electric, Jack Daniels, Porter-Cable and the list goes on. Ya think Performance Designs and Relative Workshop will fit in there somewhere? Bet your ass when they want to shut down skydiving, that's how they do it.
Make no mistake, if a company is found to be criminally liable or negligent, all lawsuit preemptions are off. Sue away, in those cases. Just don't go after people to close them down.
Seriously, do a little research on the matter. NSSF is a great place to start.
mike
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.
QuoteEasy now... I NEVER said I supported the bill. I am just sick of the rationalizations of pro-gun folks...
Yeah, sometimes the cold hard facts of the matter are hard to deal with.
mike
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.
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QuoteQuoteSeriously though, how much of an effect is the frivolous law suit epedemic having on the gun industry, how many manufacturers have been shut down, how many jobs have been lost, what's the economic impact?
Do a little research on the subject, my friend. The industry has spent $40,000,000 on defending themselves against these bullshit lawsuits, which have all but a few been dismissed. What do you think is the net worth of Ruger firearms, the largest gun mfgr in the country? (hint: say less than what the industry has paid so far)
Yes, these lawsuits bring in all the manufacturers to defend themselves. Most of the city lawsuits have a laundry list of defendants. They are suing Winchester AND the maker of the tec-9 (which operates exactly the same as a 1911 or a SIG, btw--one pull, one round, single action).
These lawsuits set precedence so lawyers can go after other law-abiding manufacturers of legal products--many of which are used by law enforcement. After the gun manufacturers are shut down (defacto gun control) precedent will be established for lawsuits against Budweiser, Chevrolet, Harley Davidson, General Electric, Jack Daniels, Porter-Cable and the list goes on. Ya think Performance Designs and Relative Workshop will fit in there somewhere? Bet your ass when they want to shut down skydiving, that's how they do it.
Make no mistake, if a company is found to be criminally liable or negligent, all lawsuit preemptions are off. Sue away, in those cases. Just don't go after people to close them down.
Seriously, do a little research on the matter. NSSF is a great place to start.
See, Republicans are just as much conspiracy theorists as dems...
Never go to a DZ strip show.
Quotesometimes the cold hard facts of the matter are hard to deal with.
And they are...........? Give me some FACTS.....
Blog Clicky
Gaff it off if you want. Chalk it up to conspiracy theories. Whatever. I spent my time to answer your questions.
Why do you think that this bill had 60 sponsors in the senate? You think the gun industry has that much clout? HA! Remember that little list of other manufacturers in my post above? A bunch of them were part of a huge push to get this legislation to pass. Look it up.
Unfortunately, I won't be doing any more of your homework for you.
(edit: Oh, and I am not a republican, if that's what you were inferring.)
mike
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.
Why do you think that this bill had 60 sponsors in the senate? You think the gun industry has that much clout? HA! Remember that little list of other manufacturers in my post above? A bunch of them were part of a huge push to get this legislation to pass. Look it up.
Unfortunately, I won't be doing any more of your homework for you.
(edit: Oh, and I am not a republican, if that's what you were inferring.)
mike
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.
Read this thread again. Understand what this bill was about. Understand what the "assault weapons" ban is. Understand what the "gunshow" loophole will really do. The facts have all been laid out fairly clearly for you to read.
I am glad you no longer believe that an "assault weapon" as defined in the Clinton Gun Ban is a fully automatic firearm. That's a step in the right direction. Keep paying attention, we'll have ya up to speed in no time.
mike
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.
I am glad you no longer believe that an "assault weapon" as defined in the Clinton Gun Ban is a fully automatic firearm. That's a step in the right direction. Keep paying attention, we'll have ya up to speed in no time.
mike
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.
Awwww, fuck it.
Here's a few of the associations that were pushing for the lawsuit legislation to pass:
The United States Chamber of Commerce
The United Mineworkers of America
The National Association of Manufacturers
United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Impliment Workers of America
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers
United Steel Workers
National Association of Wholesalers-Distributers
The American Tort Reform Association
The Senate Sportsman's Caucus
National Association of Independant Insurers
American Insurance Association
mike
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.
Here's a few of the associations that were pushing for the lawsuit legislation to pass:
The United States Chamber of Commerce
The United Mineworkers of America
The National Association of Manufacturers
United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Impliment Workers of America
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers
United Steel Workers
National Association of Wholesalers-Distributers
The American Tort Reform Association
The Senate Sportsman's Caucus
National Association of Independant Insurers
American Insurance Association
mike
Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.
So what REALLY is the gun show loophole? Besides no background checks....
And let's keep this as good debate, not condescending... we can all play at that game.
I just say... we don't need guns! From my previous post: but why do people need these weapons? To defend themselves from other gun-toting folks? And PLEASE don't quote the 2nd amendment.
Blog Clicky
And let's keep this as good debate, not condescending... we can all play at that game.
I just say... we don't need guns! From my previous post: but why do people need these weapons? To defend themselves from other gun-toting folks? And PLEASE don't quote the 2nd amendment.
Blog Clicky
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QuoteSupporters of the ban cite federal statistics showing crimes involving assault weapons have declined by two-thirds in the past decade.
That's based upon BATF firearm traces. The periodic studies based upon these traces are called "YCGII/Crime Gun Trace Reports", and the latest available report I can find is from 1999. So they must be digging up as-yet unreleased information to use to try and get the ban extended, which will otherwise expire in September.
The problem with the data is this: it depends upon data collected by tracing guns used in crime.
Here is a reference which explains the problem with using that data, rendering it useless for such conclusions. Useless to everyone except the anti-gun politicians, that is, who aren't interested in the truth.
The Misuse of BATF Firearms Tracing Data
Would answers to these questions change your mind?
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Jim
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.
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