Kennedy 0 #51 March 10, 2004 but bill I'm sure they only use it with a warrant and it'll never ever be abused. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #52 March 10, 2004 > does the war protect american interests when no other course will do > so? if it's between other powers, it doesn't necessarily bother me. Q: So, Kennedy, are you for or against war? A: Absolutely! >my problem is Kerry is his only line is "yes," unless the popular answer is "no." Yep. He takes a poll before deciding just about anything, which is not really what being a leader is all about (although some people seem to think that it is.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #53 March 10, 2004 QuoteQ: So Kennedy, are you for or against war. A: I'm against it until somebody screws with my country to the point of no other answer. Just like I'm against personal violence until someboy threatens me or mine to the point of retaliation being the only answer. QuoteYep. He takes a poll before deciding just about anything, which is not really what being a leader is all about (although some people seem to think that it is.) Who knows. Clinton was a pollster in a president's body, and he stayed fairly popular, so maybe it'll work out in Pyle's favor.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #54 March 10, 2004 >A: I'm against it until somebody screws with my country to the point > of no other answer. Just like I'm against personal violence until > someboy threatens me or mine to the point of retaliation being the > only answer. So it sounds like you are both for and against it. Similar to my position, actually. >Who knows. Clinton was a pollster in a president's body . . . Closer to a waffle in a president's body. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #55 March 10, 2004 Quote>Who knows. Clinton was a pollster in a president's body . . . Closer to a waffle in a president's body. Hey, I like waffles! He was more like a plate of underdone grits that've gotten cold. And I don't like grits done "right."witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #56 March 10, 2004 QuoteOh man, do I even dare bring up THIS? They -already- can track you to a certain extent -- at least well enough to determine guilt during an accident. MORE Interesting. Hmmmmm..... I had a laps of reason and let my niece's boyfriend drive my car last Sunday (after he did a bitchen job detailing it for me...thought I'd be nice). He enjoyed a 3 minute joy ride in it and brought it back just fine. However, when I turned the engine over again, the "Service Engine Soon" light came on! Grrrr.... I took it to the dealer the next morning (it ran just fine) and they did a diagnostic on it. Their report didn't surprise me...but the detail of it did! Seems that the young man had revved up the engine to a very high RPM while the engine was cold and caused a mis-fire. The computer recorded it. So, is the little 'black box' they're talking about? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #57 March 10, 2004 "Thank you for riding JohnnyCab!" nathanielMy advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #58 March 10, 2004 Quote.....here in canada the news said the other day that the government wants to take blood dna and fluid samples on the next round of census. big brother hmmmmmm fuck that!!! The world is turning into a really bad morph of Gattaca and 1984.. Not cool! Imagine how easily people could be framed if they had everyone's dna on file! No doubt they'll pull the "as long as you have nothing to hide" card.. my ass... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #59 March 10, 2004 Quote... As for Nixon, he was pretty famous for saying that he wanted to "make one thing perfectly clear". Kinda like the Clinton "I did not have sex with that woman" quote. I think his "I am not a crook" quote would be closer to the Clinton quote. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallygator 0 #60 March 10, 2004 the guy i was watching on an interview on w5 or 20/20had said that they have been doing this since the late 20's. the ministers of the shitstem and propaganda in their infinite paranoid wisdom think that every citzen of the country is in league with someone to topple the government . so they put in the listening posts every where in the beginning then centralized it somewhere in the midwest cheers -------------------------------------------------- who Jah bless Let no man curse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #61 March 10, 2004 Not suprising....give it 15-20 years, and those systems will probably be law for all new cars.. A lot of people don't realize it, but many of the new cell phones these days have GPS locators in 'em. My company issued new cell phones to all of us(well over 1000 people) and they have GPS locator systems in 'em. First thing I did was go in and find the menu to turn it off... Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #62 March 10, 2004 QuoteI just won't buy one. But it does kinda suck. Reminds me of scenes from "The Fifth Element". It's not hard to imagine some day when the government mandates that all cars manufactured conform to these features... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #63 March 10, 2004 Quotethere has been talk at state level of taxing people for actual interstate use, instead of evenly across the board. they were looking into GPS recorders or odometers that broadcasts trip meters, etc. I've heard of rental car companies that have GPS in their vehicles, and when you turn the vehicle in, they download the data to see if you've abused the vehicle by driving at high speeds. If so, an extra fee is tacked onto your bill, as specified in the fine print. Less high-tech is a speeding ticket technique I saw 20 years ago on the Florida turnpike. When you entered the restricted highway, you got a paper punch card showing your point of entry with a time stamp. When you exit further down the road, a cop would be standing by the exit toll booth. He would calculate the distance between your entry and exit points, and the time it took you to cover that distance. If the calculation indicated speeding, you got a ticket. Here's a thought for stopping high-speed car chases with criminals. Imagine a satellite signal being sent to the vehicle, killing the electronics and shutting down the engine. Just like the "OnStar" system which can do things like unlock doors by satellite signal. One year soon, I'll bet all cars will have such features. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #64 March 10, 2004 "Let me make one thing perfectly clear" are the words that immediately precede "I am not a crook".quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #65 March 10, 2004 >A lot of people don't realize it, but many of the new cell phones >these days have GPS locators in 'em. That's the E911 requirement. It arose out of frustration from emergency services people, who would get calls along the lines of "Help! I'm being attacked! Aahhh! (click)" If the call came from a landline phone they would know the location, but for cellphones they're out of luck. The E911 system embeds a GPS position in any 911 call so emergency services can be dispatched. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #66 March 10, 2004 Quote One year soon, I'll bet all cars will have such features. And people like me will hack it and reverse engineer it. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #67 March 10, 2004 Quote"Concept Car" is MotoWorldSpeak for "some wanker in design thought it was a good idea but ain't never gonna happen". Seriously, how many really innovative "concept cars" have you seen at car shows and of those, how many have actually been mass produced? hehehe Too true... Not only that, but if a something like this went into production, people like me wouldn't rest until they'd found a way to defeat it. An elegant hack would be such that the logged data appeared normal... To paraphrase a line of dialogue spoken by James Doohan in STIII, "The more complicated they make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #68 March 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteParaphrased from "Wired News": Toyota has unveiled a concept car of the future that would very closely monitor, and in some cases restrict, the actions of its driver - including refusing to start. To drive the car, a driver would have to enter a memory card into its console to turn on the engine. Card cracked and bogus information inserted Quote The memory card would trigger electronic logging, also bogus Quote New teenage drivers would have performance restricted. If your license is suspended, the car would refuse to start. Unless you inserted a cracked copy of Granny's driving record.... QuoteIn other words, the government would be in control of your automobile... On the showroom floor only, and not after hackers get ahold of it... I hope something like this really does get put in cars, so that people like me can replace that computer with one of our own making. Of course, the Feds will make it a DMCA violation to even LOOK at the fool thing under the hood. Frankly, I'm surprised the automobile performance computer (which is nothing more than a dumb-assed embedded controller) makers haven't sicced the DMCA on the after-market performance-enhancement chip makers/sellers. However, I'm sure someone will think of it eventually. Full Story mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallygator 0 #69 March 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteParaphrased from "Wired News": Toyota has unveiled a concept car of the future that would very closely monitor, and in some cases restrict, the actions of its driver - including refusing to start. To drive the car, a driver would have to enter a memory card into its console to turn on the engine. Card cracked and bogus information inserted Quote The memory card would trigger electronic logging, also bogus Quote New teenage drivers would have performance restricted. If your license is suspended, the car would refuse to start. Unless you inserted a cracked copy of Granny's driving record.... QuoteIn other words, the government would be in control of your automobile... On the showroom floor only, and not after hackers get ahold of it... I hope something like this really does get put in cars, so that people like me can replace that computer with one of our own making. Of course, the Feds will make it a DMCA violation to even LOOK at the fool thing under the hood. Frankly, I'm surprised the automobile performance computer (which is nothing more than a dumb-assed embedded controller) makers haven't sicced the DMCA on the after-market performance-enhancement chip makers/sellers. However, I'm sure someone will think of it eventually. Full Story mh . one step further and 3 words TATTOO BAR CODE -------------------------------------------------- who Jah bless Let no man curse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #70 March 10, 2004 Quote one step further and 3 words TATTOO BAR CODE Is this going to degenerate ina "Mark of the Beast" thread?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #71 March 10, 2004 Quote one step further and 3 words TATTOO BAR CODE If Franken-food (Genetically Modified) makers could get hens to lay eggs with barcodes on them, they would. What's to stop technology from completely controlling and dictating our lives? After all, it already does to a significant extent. That's why I'm in favor of "sand in the gears" approaches, to make it so expensive for those bastards to produce this stuff that they just give up. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #72 March 10, 2004 >What's to stop technology from completely controlling and dictating >our lives? After all, it already does to a significant extent. Technology is a tool that lets you do more stuff; it doesn't control your life any more than a hammer controls your life (which, if you're a carpenter, just might control your life a bit.) We are willing to wear altitude recording devices when we jump because we like the protection the cypres affords and the information the protrack gives us. Should we hack them to disable their altitude sensing capabilities in case "the man" tries to "use them to control us?" Similarly, E911 is going to be a success because people buy cellphones partly to be able to get help if they have a problem; a single button they can push that summons help to their geographic location will be a big selling point, rather than a scary big brother function. I have no doubt that big brother will be more in our lives in the future, but he will be there because we invite him in and discover that we like having him around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #73 March 10, 2004 QuoteI have no doubt that big brother will be more in our lives in the future, but he will be there because we invite him in and discover that we like having him around. Spoken like a true democrat.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #74 March 10, 2004 I think the real issue is when people come to the realization of how insignificant they are and that "Big Brother" actually doesn't give a crap about them. If, Mr. Joe Average thinks for a second that "Big Brother" is out to get him then he's delusional -- giving his life far more importance than it really has. We are no more than replaceable cogs in a vast machine.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #75 March 10, 2004 I meant my remark to be taken in a macroeconomic sense - perhaps I should have been more articulate. In other words, modern society is built upon both a thin veneer of civilization and a fragile web of technology. A co-worker of mine had as his sig line "Machines should work - people should think." When people exist to serve technology, things are backwards. PDAs come immediately to mind, but that's just me. "Why Things Bite Back: Technology and the Revenge of Unintended Consequences" edit for spelling mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
