New GWB Ads

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See them here.

Just for the record, the "100 Days" ad is the GWB campaigns first negative of the season.

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[lawrocket 3]

The link seems negative to me.

As in, "Does the link work?"

"Negative"

edit: just take out the first http

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[bbarnhouse 0]

check your link there QwarkAlso...I thought the entire premise behind endorsing the ads, was to control all the mud slinging

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Well, the endorsement thing simply ties their face to the negative ad so they can't claim they didn't have anything to do with it (which they used to do -- a LOT).

Also, the link now works.

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[Kennedy 0]

So I guess him calling republicans lying crooked group doesn't count as going negative?

does it count as a really stupid blunder?
(like you always get on Bush for)

Come on, it's gotta be one or the other.

ps - don't anyone say I'm a ditto standing up for Bush, I don't particularly like him either

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[Kennedy 0]

And this would be after Kerry's press conference where he said "Bush doesn't have a record to run on, he has a record to run away from."

The negative stuff has been flowing since Kerry started pulling away from the jackass pack.

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[quade 4]

The Kerry quote was an off the cuff stupid blunder. Everyone does them. I think GWB does them a little more often than most and sometimes they are -spectacular-.

I think we all forgave "The Great Communicator" Reagan for almost starting WWIII with his famous thinking the microphone was off blunder and that was pretty freekin' spectacular, but it was rare.

I -seriously- doubt you'll see Kerry make anywhere near the amount of off the cuff errors as GWB over the course of the race.

In reality, I just like to make fun of the off the cuff errors, what really terrifies me are the comments that are supposedly well thought out: addresses to the nation, State of the Union, addresses to the U.N. -- stuff like that.

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[billvon 3,116]

>does it count as a really stupid blunder?

I'd say it's a stupid blunder, not knowing that he was being recorded.

"You fucking son of a bitch. I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget this and you're going to pay a price for it." " -George W. Bush to writer and editor Al Hunt, 1988.

"There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New York Times." -GWB, accidentally caught on tape during a campaign speech in September 2000.

No problem with either candidate saying whatever he wants; it's just dumb to say stuff like that where it can be recorded.

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Personally I think the dirt being thrown around by the 527 groups about Bush are much worse. The Democrats are the ones who championed campaign reform are now the first to use whatever loophole is available to skirt the requirements.

I see a big legal debate coming that will shadow many of the real issues that need to be debated. Many of these both the Rep. & Dems. are way off base on. But way, I'm just a sociopathic Libertarian.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

I don't see anything negative. Unless of course unless you call telling the truth negative.

[TheAnvil 0]

The Dem's have been going negative for quite some time now. It's about time GWB started.

This truly could be the dirtiest campaign in a long time. Once again we're faced with voting for the least of two evils. GWB, the obvious lesser evil, as Mr. Kerry and his party have no credibility on virtually any issue.

I think GWB will focus on Kerry's flip-flops then go in for the kill later, as Dick Morris pointed out in an article a couple of days ago. Also, I think if the Dims choose to play the race card, GWB's appointment of Judge Pickering was a sign that for once, the Republicans are going to fight back and fight back hard if/when the bullshyte 'Republicans are racists' mantra comes up.

Saw the 'unbiased' ABC report on the new GWB ads this evening and just chuckled about Mr. Stephanopolous' analysis.

Kerry will seek to use his Vietnam experience as an innoculation of sorts against any criticism of his defense positions/voting record. He'll also focus on the economy (ignoring the recession Bush inherited) and try and slam GWB's foreign policy. LOVED his Neville Chamberlain-esque approach he articulated a few days ago - did Karl Rove write that speech for him?

Random thoughts. Saw the ads - like the previous ones, I liked them, even though they ARE in support of a man who betrayed fiscal conservatism.

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I don't see anything negative. Unless of course unless you call telling the truth negative.

In this case it's not the truth because none of the statements are in context nor can they be considering the 30 second format of a television ad.

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I don't see anything negative. Unless of course unless you call telling the truth negative.

In this case it's not the truth because none of the statements are in context nor can they be considering the 30 second format of a television ad.

Oh, what "IS" the truth then?

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Maybe you should take a look at the Kerry web site and decide for yourself.

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[Rainbo 0]

Your going to site the Kerry website to define truth?

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[MattM 0]

Do those "Hi, I'm running for president and I'm gonna do this and that and my opponent said this and this but its all wrong, i'm better than him" ads really work?

They get on my fuckin nerves...

Matt

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Your going to site the Kerry website to define truth?

Oh, yeah. Kerry...Honest Politician...

Hey, here's some truth for ya.

Senator John Kerry

Expand Health Insurance Coverage

Asks states to enroll children currently eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP through 300% of poverty.
Asks states to enroll parents of Medicaid and SCHIP kids through 300% of poverty
Asks states to enroll single adults, childless couples in poverty.

If states meet these conditions, new costs fully paid by the federal government, plus states would receive $15 Billion in bonus payments during the first three years of the program.

Enroll in the Congressional Health Plan. This pool would be available to those in firms with 50 or fewer workers and uninsured individuals (including workers between jobs). Those with insurance pay a 10% premium surcharge to avoid selection.
Employers would have to contribute at least half the premium.
Employers participating would receive a 25% refundable tax credit for all workers under 150% of poverty, phasing out at 300% of poverty.
Workers between jobs. May purchase insurance through their former employer or the pool. Workers in poverty would receive a 75% subsidy phasing out at 300% of poverty.
Individuals without access to employer-sponsored insurance (and not eligible for public plans) could purchase insurance through the pool and receive a 25% refundable tax credit.

Cost Containment Initiatives (scorable under CBO style rules)

Provides protection against catastrophic health care costs through a premium rebate pool that ultimately will reduce the price of insurance by 10%. All firms are eligible as long as they contribute toward the cost of insurance for all workers, demonstrate that workers will receive the savings and encourage the development of disease management programs.
Cap on premiums paid by individuals joining the Congressional pool ranging from 6 to 12% of income.
Other cost containment initiatives include administrative simplification and new chronic care disease management programs



Federal Costs and Newly Insured

Would be $895 Billion over ten years to extend insurance to 26.7 million uninsured.

[TheAnvil 0]

Hadn't been there for a while. Dear Lord that man has serious problems.

Neither here:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/civilrights/

nor here
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/veterans/

did I find out why Mr. Kerry, supposedly an ardent supporter of our troops, did nothing while his party sent busloads of lawyers to FL to target military absentee ballots for disqualification.

I also find no mention to his failure to jump to the Army's defense when Shoshana Johnson and everyone's favorite bigot, Je$$e Jack$on, slandered the Army over ludicrous charges that Johnson's disability was less than Pvt Lynch's because of her race.

Perhaps he was at a bar with Ted Kennedy and forgot to address these issues due to severe inebriation. Hopefully GWB will ask him - preferably someplace very very public - and hound him until he answers.

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[tonyhays 86]

Yeah, don't you know he's going to "stand up to the special interests..."

HAHAHAHAHAHA......that's funny

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Maybe you should take a look at the Kerry web site and decide for yourself.

And Of Course he's going to spend this on healthcare while at the same time cutting the deficit in half and fighting a war.

What a clown.

[TheAnvil 0]

Don't forget Social Security for the Baby Boomers. He's going to fix that 'minor' deficit problem too. Hasn't done it in his many years in Congress, but that's because he was otherwise preoccupied.

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From Kerry the Clowns own website:

FACT: John Kerry's only revenue increases are to close corporate loopholes and to simply repeal new tax cuts that go only to people making more than $200,000.

THE TRUTH:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/TaxModel/tmdb/TMTemplate.cfm?Docid=571&DocTypeID=5

He falls miserably short in his calculations just to provide healthcare. Let alone having money left over for deficit reductions.

Restoring the top 2 marginal tax rates to what they were before GWB's cuts would only produce $224 billion over 10 years. He would also have to restore the Estate Tax and scrap the lower rates on capital gains and dividends and still would fall miserably short. So Kerrys above "FACT" is in itself a "LIE"

Where's Kallend? We got us another one.

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Your going to site the Kerry website to define truth?

What I was suggesting, is that he should go to the Kerry web site and see if what the GWB campaign says about him is anymore truthful than what Kerry says about himself.

In my opinion, neither side has a perfect answer to what should or should not be done, but instead of working on that, they, in particular GWB, is focusing not on refining their own position but rather focusing on what they percieve to be wrong with their opponents.

For the GWB side to say what the Kerry side is planning, is silly.

I want GWB to tell me what he IS doing since he is the incumbant.

I can decide for myself, thank you very much, which side is the most correct answer for me.

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Do those "Hi, I'm running for president and I'm gonna do this and that and my opponent said this and this but its all wrong, i'm better than him" ads really work?

Unfortunately there is a dicotomy in what people say they react to and what they actually do react to.

Even though polls and focus groups usually say that negative ads are ineffective and a turn off, politicians know that, unless they go grossly overboard, a little negativity actually does work to a certain extent.

Rarely has the U.S. been more divided on their opinions of the person holding the office of the President. The candidate that ran under the guise of being a "uniter, not a divider" has in fact driven a wedge in this country and has fairly evenly split the country. Most people either love GWB or hate GWB with very few people being indifferent. So much so that there are people out there that want -anybody- but GWB in office.

I think that's sad.

I don't think that's the right way to run a race or the country.

I'm seriously disappointed with both sides.

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Your going to site the Kerry website to define truth?

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What I was suggesting, is that he should go to the Kerry web site and see if what the GWB campaign says about him is anymore truthful than what Kerry says about himself.

I prefer to find unbiased information like I have cited above. I don't trust any Politician to tell me the truth about their opponent. In this case, it appears Kerry is the liar.

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In my opinion, neither side has a perfect answer to what should or should not be done, but instead of working on that, they, in particular GWB, is focusing not on refining their own position but rather focusing on what they percieve to be wrong with their opponents.

Really Quade, you are just too funny sometimes. Are you reall convinced Kerry has been focusing on the issues and hasn't been at least AS guilty as Bush? I can cite many examples for you starting with attacking Bush for his ANG Service.

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For the GWB side to say what the Kerry side is planning, is silly.

Again read my post. There has been independent analysis.

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I want GWB to tell me what he IS doing since he is the incumbant.

Hopefully you want both of them to give you reasons to vote FOR them instead of just bashing their opponents. In my view, GWB has been very patient up until now, but I'm glad the gloves are coming off because Kerry has gotten away with too much bashing.

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I can decide for myself, thank you very much, which side is the most correct answer for me.

Yep, me too. But you aren't going to get what you want from either site.

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