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Maybe you can explain just HOW GWB &Co came to "know where they are" when in fact they weren't there, the CIA says they didn't say that, and Hans Blix stated to the UN in his report to the Security Council (March 7 2003), that U.N. inspectors "Did not find evidence of the continuation or resumption of programs of weapons of mass destruction or significant quantities of proscribed items." and the IAEA report found no evidence of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq.

Did Bush make up the stories all by himself? Is that what you're claiming now?

Nope..I think he was feed bad intel...No I don't know if it was to furter an agenda , or if it was just stupidity...And that is a big difference...One is criminal, the other just a mistake.

And the CIA is not going to Admit they were wrong. No one really does. If you accuse a student of plagerism...do they usually fess up right there? Nope and niether do most politians.

But my point is you said this organization was created to feed Bush the intel he wanted...It is now shown it was not.

And I have said it before...If you can prove Bush lied and sent this nation to war for no reason...I will line up with you for his head ot be on a stick..

But so far you have shown no proof.

And to be honest I thought they did as well...They did have them...Hell we sold them to them so we knew they had them. They were unable to show how they got rid of them. They CLAIMED to have them still. They at first didn't co-operate with Blix...Blix himself said they were stalling and not totally open.

So if you can prove he lied...I'll fight with you...Until then you are on your own.

And I would much rather debate you than ignore you.

Well, the folks ACTUALLY on the ground in Iraq stated in a written report (3/7/03) that there was no evidence of any WMD program. That's intel that existed. The head of the IAEA stated in a written report that there was no nuclear weapons program. That's intel that existed.

So there was real intel from people on the spot stating the opposite of what Bush claimed to KNOW.

The White House staff also KNEW that the uranium from Niger claim was false BEFORE GWB used it in the SoU address.

And according to the UK investigation, the CIA told the Brits that the "45 minute deployment" claim was false about 2 weeks before Bush used it in a speech.

So GWB had good intel available but went with the bad. Ever hear about the Oval Office sign "The Buck Stops Here"

BUSH LIED

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Federal investigators are scrutinizing television segments in which the Bush administration paid people to pose as journalists praising the benefits of the new Medicare law, which would be offered to help elderly Americans with the costs of their prescription medicines. . . . Two videos end with the voice of a woman who says, "In Washington, I'm Karen Ryan reporting."

Source?

Any PROOF yet? Like as in smoking gun...Not he said, she said.

DoHHS has admitted it, Ron!

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Federal investigators are scrutinizing television segments in which the Bush administration paid people to pose as journalists praising the benefits of the new Medicare law, which would be offered to help elderly Americans with the costs of their prescription medicines. . . . Two videos end with the voice of a woman who says, "In Washington, I'm Karen Ryan reporting."

But the production company, Home Front Communications, said it had hired her to read a script prepared by the government.

Touchy subject.

It is, unfortunatley, common practice in the publicity and press relations field to produce video news releases. These VNRs, in my opinion, are one of the most powerful spin tools available. The Company I previously worked for basically "invented" the form over 20 years ago. I was instrumental in the overall design.

Generally they consist of a 1:30 long news package that for all intents and purposes looks exactly as if it came from any other news source followed by interviews with Company spokespersons and b-roll footage. Generally speaking, the Company doesn't think the package will be run on-air, but it is a 1:30 of exactly what the Company would like the newscasters to say. The packages are designed so that the reporter voice over can be replaced by the newscaster and even a script is provided so they can use exactly the same words.

Some newscasters are -so- lazy they actually do this.

Others are even lazier and run the package exactly as is.

An entire industry has sprang up surrounding video news releases. PR Newswire is an outlet for such VNRs. EVERTHING on PR Newswire is directly from a company press and publity department. NONE of it is "news" in the real sense. It's ALL spin.

One of these days I'm going to write a book titled "And Finally Tonight". The goal of most entertainment VNRs is to own that slot. It's amazing how often it can be gotten by pure drivel.

In the hands of a Beltway publicity firm, the tool gets a lot closer to the lead.

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Bush: Foreign Leaders Want Me to Fix Kerry's Wagon
(2004-03-16) -- In the wake of claims by Democrat presidential candidate John Forbes Kerry that foreign leaders hope he wins the White House, President George Bush today said "unnamed foreign leaders told me they want me to clean Kerry's clock, you know, to fix his wagon."
"They can't go out and say this publicly," Mr. Bush said, "but boy they look at you and say, 'You've got to pummel this wishy-washy appeaser. You've got to spank him with the buckle end of the belt'. Of course, I can't tell you who said that, but them foreigners want me to put a hurt on him."
Mr. Bush, like Mr. Kerry, spends hours every day chatting with foreign leaders to find out what kind of American foreign policy will be most popular with them. And while Mr. Kerry speaks fluent French thanks to childhood summers spent at a family estate in Brittany, Mr. Bush speaks Spanish and Pig Latin, which he calls "the new Esperanto...the global language of diplomacy."
"You wouldn't believe some of things my foreign buddies have told me about Enator-say Erry-kay," said Mr. Bush. "It's all on the Q.T., of course."

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