Duckwater 0 #26 March 13, 2004 QuoteI went to Auburn. Doh! Accusing one another of going to each others schools could be constrewed as a personal attack! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #27 March 13, 2004 you put value on that titled POS poll? you're more naive than I thought. an accurate poll would have (A) stated whether or not he was actively threatening you and (B) had options including "shoot to wound," "only to protect my family," and others. And who says you couldn't shoot him and then hold him until the cops arrive? Or would you rather put one in his head and be done with it?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #28 March 13, 2004 QuoteQuotecenter mass with any serious fire arm is shooting to kill. You might prefer to call it something else, but that is simply a euphemism. QuoteNo, you are mistaken. Shooting to stop is shooting until they stop being a threat. Shooting to kill is shooting htem until they are dead, as in following up with a bullet to the forehead, as someone here suggested. again a euphemism. call it what you wish, you are 'stopping' them by killing them. If they are still moving after you've put multiple rounds into their chest....its time to run... 6 or a half dozen... the rest is an execution, not self defense...also depending on the laws in your jurisdiction you fire continuously until your weapon is empty...its far easier to claim and justify a 'panic defense' than a deliberate act against a possibly 'unarmed' intruder. Did you feel threatened? If not, why did you shoot?? Quotefirearm rule one as taught by my father and grandfather.. Never draw aim at any living thing you are not prepared to kill. QuoteActually, that is firearms safety rule number two. Number one is "All guns are always loaded, until you verify otherwise." nope its still rule one...what you posted as a 'rule' is a given, its not a rule its an absolute, absolutes protect my safety and that of the members of my household. Rules can be broken on occasion depending on circumstance... Quoteas to the poll? if they were in my home, absolutely. They present a clear threat to the safety and security of everyone that lives there, its not as if they stopped in for cookies.. QuoteThey are not a threat until they make themselves one. Even if they did show up with intentions of robbing you blind, that is not license to kill them. yes, they are a threat, they are in my home without invitation, unidentified and entered by force, that is a threat. period. You might wait until they have demonstrated that threat by harming you or yours, but by then it is to late. I will not give them that chance.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #29 March 13, 2004 QuoteMore people are agreeing with me than you..... If you're capable of reding the posts, you'll see that more people are agreeing with my point of view. Besides, how can they agree with me when my answer is not in the poll? How much can you trust that poll? After all, garbage in, garbage out.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #30 March 13, 2004 Quote OK, first off, your poll and point of view are seriously screwed up. You don't kill a person for things. EVER. You don't shoot them because of "things", You shoot them because you and your family live there. BANG! F-them they knew better,and they might be armed as well,not a chance I feel is worth taking."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #31 March 13, 2004 I won't take it personally if you won't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #32 March 13, 2004 Quoteyou put value on that titled POS poll? you're more naive than I thought. The poll is very simple. You are being robbed, not threatened. (Or mabye I am being threatened but I won't have time to find out) I believe that anyone breaking into my house is probably armed, as they expect me to be. If I err, I will err on the side that I will survive every time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #33 March 13, 2004 If they are in my house, they are a direct threat to me and my fiance. They will be shot until the threat is nolonger a threat. If that means I shoot and they stop being a threat with only a flesh wound, good for them. If that means I put two in the chest and one ni their head, that's their problem. If I wake up, go out with my weapon/mag light and they run out and off. Then they're gone, no shots fired, threat is gone, and everyone is happy. I have insurance to replace what is gone. If they're running out with my Aggie Senior Boots...well I guess I'm in my truck and running after. You can't replace those. Edit: Texas law states that you have to assest the threat after every shot fired to see if another shot is required. There is no stipulation on the time between shots, so if you put a double tap in the chest and one in the head, it can be argued that there was enough time between each shot fired to come to the conclusion that you were still threatened. Also, if there is a women in the house and it is a man breaking in, he doesn't have to be armed, the fact that he is a man and there is a women is enough. That is due to the fact that his dick is now a weapon against the women (rape), no matter what his original intentions were, he is now considered basically a lethal threat to the women.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #34 March 13, 2004 QuoteIf they're running out with my Aggie Senior Boots...well I guess I'm in my truck and running after. You can't replace those. If they are running out with your boots still shoot, just make sure you drag them back inside. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #35 March 13, 2004 Quote just make sure you drag them back inside. You don't have to in TX. If they are on your property at night and commiting any sort of criminal mischief, then they can be shot. Of course, you need to use your judgement, someone toliet papering your house is illegal and its on your property generally at night, but that won't stand in court.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #36 March 13, 2004 Your poll lacks options, as others have explained. I'm done arguing with you. If you think tresspassing is a crime to kill over, that's your problem.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #37 March 13, 2004 All people would feel threatened if they came home and saw someone in their house that did not belong there. Wouldn't you? My poll is valid, it only matters if you have a gun and it provides answers for all outcomes. Attack me all you want, I am rational and a lot of people agree with me and a lot don't. I am also staunchly anti-abortion, I believe my argument is sound and right, but the majority of American believe it should be legal, therefore it is.....I don't judge them or call them names even though they are killing INNOCENT people for a hell of a lot less than me popping some burglar who probably will do nothing but continue to commit crimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #38 March 13, 2004 Yeah, I guess executing some midnight TP'ers would be a lil overboard. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #39 March 13, 2004 QuoteYeah, I guess executing some midnight TP'ers would be a lil overboard. What if it is USED TP? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #40 March 13, 2004 1. first shot to warn them to plant their ass face down or out the door if their close. 2. Second shot to wound if an agressive posture is taken and I feel threatened. 3. Third shot to take them out if they stll don't stop after #2. (i.e. strike 3 you're out) Someone attempted to break into my house in '96 and they managed to hide in a dark corner where I couldn't see them - they heard me and left the same way they came in. I was only armed with a baseball bat at the time. The dipshit was caught later that week at a different location and was carrying a gun when they caught him.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #41 March 13, 2004 Warning shots are not in my vocabulary...and goes against all training. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #42 March 13, 2004 I agree. It's way too easy to get shot yourself. Don't give them the chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #43 March 13, 2004 QuoteThat is due to the fact that his dick is now a weapon against the women I just thought of a new knickname for Mr. Winky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #44 March 13, 2004 Quote. first shot to warn them to plant their ass face down or out the door if their close. So you loose a round into nothing in your house? I hope you don't love your family, since you could easily go through a wall and hit one of them, or even a neighbor (apartments). Or give the criminal a chance to fire back at you. You don't shoot to wound, its basically impossible and a thing that only belongs in movies. A "gut" shot could paralize and/or kill, shooting in an arm or leg is not likely. If you've EVER done any stress shooting, you'd know that. If you've ever actually been trained in tactical defense, you would know how asinine your 3 steps are.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #45 March 13, 2004 QuoteThe dipshit was caught later that week at a different location and was carrying a gun when they caught him That means you're one seriously lucky son of a bitch. Seriously.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #46 March 13, 2004 AggieDave for President Hell, it could happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #47 March 13, 2004 Quote A "gut" shot could paralize and/or kill, shooting in an arm or leg is not likely. If you've EVER done any stress shooting, you'd know that. Pretty confident I could hit whatever I wanted, even in those conditions. I have done soem stress shooting drills before. Still accurate. Although they were drills, I will give you that, and I am not 100% it will work in real life, I woudl still ike to think I could fall back on my training and hit what I want. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #48 March 13, 2004 Same here, I've fired many many thousands of rounds out of handsguns, atleast 2/3s of which were specific training sequences in stress shooting environments. What would I do though? I'm going for center of mass for 2 and up just slightly for a 3rd, just like I've practiced over and over and over and over...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #49 March 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteok, important clarification: everyone who answers "shoot to wound," what exactly do you mean by that? Ok, so if I feel they are a serious threat to my Family I am going for the shoulder or thigh. Don't worry about missing, I will hit what I aim for. Not a serious threat, nothing beats a little unarmed selfdefense/hand to hand combat. They have a knife...then I will have a bat. I like things being as even as possible. Hey, you're entitled to feel how you want. Me, I think it's silly to feel some sort of noble requirement to limit one's own defensive capability to "EVEN" with what the intruder/attacker is armed with. If he has a knife, I'm gonna have a GUN. No sense in letting myself have to be anywhere NEAR him in order to end the threat he presents. And even before reading Kennedy's response, I myself was thinking that not all of the valid poll responses were there. I hold with the "shoot to stop" philosophy, because if you admit to desiring to "shoot to KILL," they'll hang you up for murder or something. If the means I use to stop him KILLS him, hey, that's his own fault. I am not, when attacked, under an obligation to use very delicate, only-as-much-as-necessary-and-not-a-bit-more applications of force. Even the law recognizes that. But really, why leave things EVEN between you and a criminal? What sense of nobility forces you to let things be anywhere near even when someone has preemptively tried to attack and harm you? I say, stack things as much in YOUR favor as possible!-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #50 March 13, 2004 It's a LOT different when the real bullets are flying in your direction, though. Brings out a different kind of stress in you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Kennedy 0 #29 March 13, 2004 QuoteMore people are agreeing with me than you..... If you're capable of reding the posts, you'll see that more people are agreeing with my point of view. Besides, how can they agree with me when my answer is not in the poll? How much can you trust that poll? After all, garbage in, garbage out.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #30 March 13, 2004 Quote OK, first off, your poll and point of view are seriously screwed up. You don't kill a person for things. EVER. You don't shoot them because of "things", You shoot them because you and your family live there. BANG! F-them they knew better,and they might be armed as well,not a chance I feel is worth taking."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #31 March 13, 2004 I won't take it personally if you won't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #32 March 13, 2004 Quoteyou put value on that titled POS poll? you're more naive than I thought. The poll is very simple. You are being robbed, not threatened. (Or mabye I am being threatened but I won't have time to find out) I believe that anyone breaking into my house is probably armed, as they expect me to be. If I err, I will err on the side that I will survive every time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #33 March 13, 2004 If they are in my house, they are a direct threat to me and my fiance. They will be shot until the threat is nolonger a threat. If that means I shoot and they stop being a threat with only a flesh wound, good for them. If that means I put two in the chest and one ni their head, that's their problem. If I wake up, go out with my weapon/mag light and they run out and off. Then they're gone, no shots fired, threat is gone, and everyone is happy. I have insurance to replace what is gone. If they're running out with my Aggie Senior Boots...well I guess I'm in my truck and running after. You can't replace those. Edit: Texas law states that you have to assest the threat after every shot fired to see if another shot is required. There is no stipulation on the time between shots, so if you put a double tap in the chest and one in the head, it can be argued that there was enough time between each shot fired to come to the conclusion that you were still threatened. Also, if there is a women in the house and it is a man breaking in, he doesn't have to be armed, the fact that he is a man and there is a women is enough. That is due to the fact that his dick is now a weapon against the women (rape), no matter what his original intentions were, he is now considered basically a lethal threat to the women.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #34 March 13, 2004 QuoteIf they're running out with my Aggie Senior Boots...well I guess I'm in my truck and running after. You can't replace those. If they are running out with your boots still shoot, just make sure you drag them back inside. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #35 March 13, 2004 Quote just make sure you drag them back inside. You don't have to in TX. If they are on your property at night and commiting any sort of criminal mischief, then they can be shot. Of course, you need to use your judgement, someone toliet papering your house is illegal and its on your property generally at night, but that won't stand in court.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #36 March 13, 2004 Your poll lacks options, as others have explained. I'm done arguing with you. If you think tresspassing is a crime to kill over, that's your problem.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #37 March 13, 2004 All people would feel threatened if they came home and saw someone in their house that did not belong there. Wouldn't you? My poll is valid, it only matters if you have a gun and it provides answers for all outcomes. Attack me all you want, I am rational and a lot of people agree with me and a lot don't. I am also staunchly anti-abortion, I believe my argument is sound and right, but the majority of American believe it should be legal, therefore it is.....I don't judge them or call them names even though they are killing INNOCENT people for a hell of a lot less than me popping some burglar who probably will do nothing but continue to commit crimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #38 March 13, 2004 Yeah, I guess executing some midnight TP'ers would be a lil overboard. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #39 March 13, 2004 QuoteYeah, I guess executing some midnight TP'ers would be a lil overboard. What if it is USED TP? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #40 March 13, 2004 1. first shot to warn them to plant their ass face down or out the door if their close. 2. Second shot to wound if an agressive posture is taken and I feel threatened. 3. Third shot to take them out if they stll don't stop after #2. (i.e. strike 3 you're out) Someone attempted to break into my house in '96 and they managed to hide in a dark corner where I couldn't see them - they heard me and left the same way they came in. I was only armed with a baseball bat at the time. The dipshit was caught later that week at a different location and was carrying a gun when they caught him.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #41 March 13, 2004 Warning shots are not in my vocabulary...and goes against all training. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #42 March 13, 2004 I agree. It's way too easy to get shot yourself. Don't give them the chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #43 March 13, 2004 QuoteThat is due to the fact that his dick is now a weapon against the women I just thought of a new knickname for Mr. Winky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #44 March 13, 2004 Quote. first shot to warn them to plant their ass face down or out the door if their close. So you loose a round into nothing in your house? I hope you don't love your family, since you could easily go through a wall and hit one of them, or even a neighbor (apartments). Or give the criminal a chance to fire back at you. You don't shoot to wound, its basically impossible and a thing that only belongs in movies. A "gut" shot could paralize and/or kill, shooting in an arm or leg is not likely. If you've EVER done any stress shooting, you'd know that. If you've ever actually been trained in tactical defense, you would know how asinine your 3 steps are.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #45 March 13, 2004 QuoteThe dipshit was caught later that week at a different location and was carrying a gun when they caught him That means you're one seriously lucky son of a bitch. Seriously.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #46 March 13, 2004 AggieDave for President Hell, it could happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #47 March 13, 2004 Quote A "gut" shot could paralize and/or kill, shooting in an arm or leg is not likely. If you've EVER done any stress shooting, you'd know that. Pretty confident I could hit whatever I wanted, even in those conditions. I have done soem stress shooting drills before. Still accurate. Although they were drills, I will give you that, and I am not 100% it will work in real life, I woudl still ike to think I could fall back on my training and hit what I want. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #48 March 13, 2004 Same here, I've fired many many thousands of rounds out of handsguns, atleast 2/3s of which were specific training sequences in stress shooting environments. What would I do though? I'm going for center of mass for 2 and up just slightly for a 3rd, just like I've practiced over and over and over and over...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #49 March 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteok, important clarification: everyone who answers "shoot to wound," what exactly do you mean by that? Ok, so if I feel they are a serious threat to my Family I am going for the shoulder or thigh. Don't worry about missing, I will hit what I aim for. Not a serious threat, nothing beats a little unarmed selfdefense/hand to hand combat. They have a knife...then I will have a bat. I like things being as even as possible. Hey, you're entitled to feel how you want. Me, I think it's silly to feel some sort of noble requirement to limit one's own defensive capability to "EVEN" with what the intruder/attacker is armed with. If he has a knife, I'm gonna have a GUN. No sense in letting myself have to be anywhere NEAR him in order to end the threat he presents. And even before reading Kennedy's response, I myself was thinking that not all of the valid poll responses were there. I hold with the "shoot to stop" philosophy, because if you admit to desiring to "shoot to KILL," they'll hang you up for murder or something. If the means I use to stop him KILLS him, hey, that's his own fault. I am not, when attacked, under an obligation to use very delicate, only-as-much-as-necessary-and-not-a-bit-more applications of force. Even the law recognizes that. But really, why leave things EVEN between you and a criminal? What sense of nobility forces you to let things be anywhere near even when someone has preemptively tried to attack and harm you? I say, stack things as much in YOUR favor as possible!-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #50 March 13, 2004 It's a LOT different when the real bullets are flying in your direction, though. Brings out a different kind of stress in you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
pajarito 0 #31 March 13, 2004 I won't take it personally if you won't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #32 March 13, 2004 Quoteyou put value on that titled POS poll? you're more naive than I thought. The poll is very simple. You are being robbed, not threatened. (Or mabye I am being threatened but I won't have time to find out) I believe that anyone breaking into my house is probably armed, as they expect me to be. If I err, I will err on the side that I will survive every time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #33 March 13, 2004 If they are in my house, they are a direct threat to me and my fiance. They will be shot until the threat is nolonger a threat. If that means I shoot and they stop being a threat with only a flesh wound, good for them. If that means I put two in the chest and one ni their head, that's their problem. If I wake up, go out with my weapon/mag light and they run out and off. Then they're gone, no shots fired, threat is gone, and everyone is happy. I have insurance to replace what is gone. If they're running out with my Aggie Senior Boots...well I guess I'm in my truck and running after. You can't replace those. Edit: Texas law states that you have to assest the threat after every shot fired to see if another shot is required. There is no stipulation on the time between shots, so if you put a double tap in the chest and one in the head, it can be argued that there was enough time between each shot fired to come to the conclusion that you were still threatened. Also, if there is a women in the house and it is a man breaking in, he doesn't have to be armed, the fact that he is a man and there is a women is enough. That is due to the fact that his dick is now a weapon against the women (rape), no matter what his original intentions were, he is now considered basically a lethal threat to the women.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #34 March 13, 2004 QuoteIf they're running out with my Aggie Senior Boots...well I guess I'm in my truck and running after. You can't replace those. If they are running out with your boots still shoot, just make sure you drag them back inside. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #35 March 13, 2004 Quote just make sure you drag them back inside. You don't have to in TX. If they are on your property at night and commiting any sort of criminal mischief, then they can be shot. Of course, you need to use your judgement, someone toliet papering your house is illegal and its on your property generally at night, but that won't stand in court.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #36 March 13, 2004 Your poll lacks options, as others have explained. I'm done arguing with you. If you think tresspassing is a crime to kill over, that's your problem.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #37 March 13, 2004 All people would feel threatened if they came home and saw someone in their house that did not belong there. Wouldn't you? My poll is valid, it only matters if you have a gun and it provides answers for all outcomes. Attack me all you want, I am rational and a lot of people agree with me and a lot don't. I am also staunchly anti-abortion, I believe my argument is sound and right, but the majority of American believe it should be legal, therefore it is.....I don't judge them or call them names even though they are killing INNOCENT people for a hell of a lot less than me popping some burglar who probably will do nothing but continue to commit crimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #38 March 13, 2004 Yeah, I guess executing some midnight TP'ers would be a lil overboard. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #39 March 13, 2004 QuoteYeah, I guess executing some midnight TP'ers would be a lil overboard. What if it is USED TP? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #40 March 13, 2004 1. first shot to warn them to plant their ass face down or out the door if their close. 2. Second shot to wound if an agressive posture is taken and I feel threatened. 3. Third shot to take them out if they stll don't stop after #2. (i.e. strike 3 you're out) Someone attempted to break into my house in '96 and they managed to hide in a dark corner where I couldn't see them - they heard me and left the same way they came in. I was only armed with a baseball bat at the time. The dipshit was caught later that week at a different location and was carrying a gun when they caught him.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #41 March 13, 2004 Warning shots are not in my vocabulary...and goes against all training. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #42 March 13, 2004 I agree. It's way too easy to get shot yourself. Don't give them the chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #43 March 13, 2004 QuoteThat is due to the fact that his dick is now a weapon against the women I just thought of a new knickname for Mr. Winky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #44 March 13, 2004 Quote. first shot to warn them to plant their ass face down or out the door if their close. So you loose a round into nothing in your house? I hope you don't love your family, since you could easily go through a wall and hit one of them, or even a neighbor (apartments). Or give the criminal a chance to fire back at you. You don't shoot to wound, its basically impossible and a thing that only belongs in movies. A "gut" shot could paralize and/or kill, shooting in an arm or leg is not likely. If you've EVER done any stress shooting, you'd know that. If you've ever actually been trained in tactical defense, you would know how asinine your 3 steps are.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #45 March 13, 2004 QuoteThe dipshit was caught later that week at a different location and was carrying a gun when they caught him That means you're one seriously lucky son of a bitch. Seriously.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #46 March 13, 2004 AggieDave for President Hell, it could happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #47 March 13, 2004 Quote A "gut" shot could paralize and/or kill, shooting in an arm or leg is not likely. If you've EVER done any stress shooting, you'd know that. Pretty confident I could hit whatever I wanted, even in those conditions. I have done soem stress shooting drills before. Still accurate. Although they were drills, I will give you that, and I am not 100% it will work in real life, I woudl still ike to think I could fall back on my training and hit what I want. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #48 March 13, 2004 Same here, I've fired many many thousands of rounds out of handsguns, atleast 2/3s of which were specific training sequences in stress shooting environments. What would I do though? I'm going for center of mass for 2 and up just slightly for a 3rd, just like I've practiced over and over and over and over...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #49 March 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteok, important clarification: everyone who answers "shoot to wound," what exactly do you mean by that? Ok, so if I feel they are a serious threat to my Family I am going for the shoulder or thigh. Don't worry about missing, I will hit what I aim for. Not a serious threat, nothing beats a little unarmed selfdefense/hand to hand combat. They have a knife...then I will have a bat. I like things being as even as possible. Hey, you're entitled to feel how you want. Me, I think it's silly to feel some sort of noble requirement to limit one's own defensive capability to "EVEN" with what the intruder/attacker is armed with. If he has a knife, I'm gonna have a GUN. No sense in letting myself have to be anywhere NEAR him in order to end the threat he presents. And even before reading Kennedy's response, I myself was thinking that not all of the valid poll responses were there. I hold with the "shoot to stop" philosophy, because if you admit to desiring to "shoot to KILL," they'll hang you up for murder or something. If the means I use to stop him KILLS him, hey, that's his own fault. I am not, when attacked, under an obligation to use very delicate, only-as-much-as-necessary-and-not-a-bit-more applications of force. Even the law recognizes that. But really, why leave things EVEN between you and a criminal? What sense of nobility forces you to let things be anywhere near even when someone has preemptively tried to attack and harm you? I say, stack things as much in YOUR favor as possible!-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #50 March 13, 2004 It's a LOT different when the real bullets are flying in your direction, though. Brings out a different kind of stress in you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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AggieDave 6 #44 March 13, 2004 Quote. first shot to warn them to plant their ass face down or out the door if their close. So you loose a round into nothing in your house? I hope you don't love your family, since you could easily go through a wall and hit one of them, or even a neighbor (apartments). Or give the criminal a chance to fire back at you. You don't shoot to wound, its basically impossible and a thing that only belongs in movies. A "gut" shot could paralize and/or kill, shooting in an arm or leg is not likely. If you've EVER done any stress shooting, you'd know that. If you've ever actually been trained in tactical defense, you would know how asinine your 3 steps are.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #45 March 13, 2004 QuoteThe dipshit was caught later that week at a different location and was carrying a gun when they caught him That means you're one seriously lucky son of a bitch. Seriously.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #46 March 13, 2004 AggieDave for President Hell, it could happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #47 March 13, 2004 Quote A "gut" shot could paralize and/or kill, shooting in an arm or leg is not likely. If you've EVER done any stress shooting, you'd know that. Pretty confident I could hit whatever I wanted, even in those conditions. I have done soem stress shooting drills before. Still accurate. Although they were drills, I will give you that, and I am not 100% it will work in real life, I woudl still ike to think I could fall back on my training and hit what I want. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #48 March 13, 2004 Same here, I've fired many many thousands of rounds out of handsguns, atleast 2/3s of which were specific training sequences in stress shooting environments. What would I do though? I'm going for center of mass for 2 and up just slightly for a 3rd, just like I've practiced over and over and over and over...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #49 March 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteok, important clarification: everyone who answers "shoot to wound," what exactly do you mean by that? Ok, so if I feel they are a serious threat to my Family I am going for the shoulder or thigh. Don't worry about missing, I will hit what I aim for. Not a serious threat, nothing beats a little unarmed selfdefense/hand to hand combat. They have a knife...then I will have a bat. I like things being as even as possible. Hey, you're entitled to feel how you want. Me, I think it's silly to feel some sort of noble requirement to limit one's own defensive capability to "EVEN" with what the intruder/attacker is armed with. If he has a knife, I'm gonna have a GUN. No sense in letting myself have to be anywhere NEAR him in order to end the threat he presents. And even before reading Kennedy's response, I myself was thinking that not all of the valid poll responses were there. I hold with the "shoot to stop" philosophy, because if you admit to desiring to "shoot to KILL," they'll hang you up for murder or something. If the means I use to stop him KILLS him, hey, that's his own fault. I am not, when attacked, under an obligation to use very delicate, only-as-much-as-necessary-and-not-a-bit-more applications of force. Even the law recognizes that. But really, why leave things EVEN between you and a criminal? What sense of nobility forces you to let things be anywhere near even when someone has preemptively tried to attack and harm you? I say, stack things as much in YOUR favor as possible!-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #50 March 13, 2004 It's a LOT different when the real bullets are flying in your direction, though. Brings out a different kind of stress in you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
