Would you shoot someone robbing your house?

[Douva 0]

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I killed a mouse once. Had to. He was stuck on that sticky paper and he was dying anyway. I felt so bad for him. After I killed him I felt absolutely shitty. Killing sucks.

I couldn't kill a person unless, like you said, they were harming someone I loved. If all they were doing was robbing me maybe I'd shoot em in the leg or something, I don't really know. Shooting some one that's robbing you TO KILL just seems harsh and I think losing some belongings would be better (for me) then the turmoil I'd be in for taking a human life.

Mice are how you start. After a while, you'll get more comfortable with killing and be able to move up to small game (foul, squirrels, etc). Once you've gotten past the stage of feeling guilty about killing squirrels and pheasant, you can move up to larger game, such as deer. By the time you can kill a deer without remorse, you're really on your way. At this point you want to start moving toward something with which you feel some sort of an emotional link, similar to what you would feel with another human but obviously not as strong. At this point I would suggest that you may be ready for house cats and small dogs. Killing pets will probably take a little longer to get used to. This is really the hardest hump for most people to get over, but once you're comfortable strangling a German Shepherd or drowning a Calico, you should be pretty well desensitized to killing. Now it's time to move on to humans. I suggest starting with drifters and hobos because it eliminates the need to cover your tracks quite as closely on the first few kills. That's not to say that you don't have to cover your tracks at all; you just don't have to get all "CSI" with the bodies. You're generally safe just dumping them in the river (you should still be sure to weight them). After a while, you can move on to neighbors and colleagues. Deciding when a person is ready to move on to killing friends and neighbors is a decision only that person can make. Take your time and get used to the screaming and the blood and, of course, the cleanup procedures. Mindless killing can be a fun, rewarding hobby, if approached with patience and the proper attitude. Good luck.

If you were offended in any way, shape, or form by the above statements, congratulations, you have a soul. Now, post a reply detailing exactly how you felt while reading the above statements.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[Girlfalldown 0]

Oh my gawd! I think you're right! I accidently ran over a squrrel on the way to the dropzone a while back and I didn't feel THAT bad about it.

Oh no, someone help me before I go on a full out killing spree!!

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[AggieDave 6]

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What if you found out later that your caveman attitude resulted in you killing Santa Claus?

Go read the rest of my posts in this thread before you jump to that very uninformed conclusion.

Look, if you're going to make a personal attack about me, my attitude and my person, go read the rest of everything I wrote to actually have the full facts.

*shakes head*

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[crzjp20 0]

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Mice are how you start. After a while, you'll get more comfortable with killing and be able to move up to small game (foul, squirrels, etc). Once you've gotten past the stage of feeling guilty about killing squirrels and pheasant, you can move up to larger game, such as deer. By the time you can kill a deer without remorse, you're really on your way. At this point you want to start moving toward something with which you feel some sort of an emotional link, similar to what you would feel with another human but obviously not as strong. At this point I would suggest that you may be ready for house cats and small dogs. Killing pets will probably take a little longer to get used to. This is really the hardest hump for most people to get over, but once you're comfortable strangling a German Shepherd or drowning a Calico, you should be pretty well desensitized to killing. Now it's time to move on to humans. I suggest starting with drifters and hobos because it eliminates the need to cover your tracks quite as closely on the first few kills. That's not to say that you don't have to cover your tracks at all; you just don't have to get all "CSI" with the bodies. You're generally safe just dumping them in the river (you should still be sure to weight them). After a while, you can move on to neighbors and colleagues. Deciding when a person is ready to move on to killing friends and neighbors is a decision only that person can make. Take your time and get used to the screaming and the blood and, of course, the cleanup procedures. Mindless killing can be a fun, rewarding hobby, if approached with patience and the proper attitude. Good luck.

If you were offended in any way, shape, or form by the above statements, congratulations, you have a soul. Now, post a reply detailing exactly how you felt while reading the above statements.

lol how i felt?? hmmm i was laughing at how you are comparing the remorse of killing a dog, to killing a person who is after you or your family.... just doesnt make sence to me. I have killed, deer, squarl, rabbit, duck, i have run a cat(felt bad on that one), chickens, and i dont think they compare to killin a person at all. I ate everyoine one of those animals i killed... excpet the cat... and i dont feel bad about it at all.

am i capable of killing a person? in the most extreme situation, YES!! i am trained to do it. I am an infantry man, i didnt get traied to shot aimlessly i got trained to take the target down. And put in the situatiuion i would do it. I imigine i wiould feel bad about it, but if it has to be done then it has to be done.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Brits are far more likely to face a violent confrontation with a young, strong intruder

You can't make that conclusion from the data you have presented. Just because in England a higher percentage of burglaries are done with some one in the house does not mean that Brits are more likely to face an intruder in their house. You would still have to take into account number of burglaries and population size.

You are usually well prepared with your data. Sometimes your conclusions seem to be somewhat twisted to fit your agenda though.

England has more burglary per capita than the U.S. They also have a far higher rate of burglaries while the residents are home. Thus, Brits are far more likely to encounter an intruder in their home.

I didn't "twist" the data. It came from a book, which is acclaimed for its research, and I cited that source.

Here's another quote for you:

A quarter of English are victims of crime

"PEOPLE living in England and Wales are at greater risk of falling victim to crime than citizens of most other industrialised nations, according to a study published yesterday.

"The International Crime Victims Survey, based on 34,000 telephone interviews across 17 countries, found that 26 per cent of people - more than one in four - in England and Wales had been victims of crime in 1999."

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Look at that list. Is it just coincidence that the countries with the most restrictive gun laws, happen to also have the highest rates of crime victimization?

[kai2k1 0]

If you come into my house with the intent to harm me or my family, you are going to get shot. I will shoot to kill with no questions asked.

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[JohnRich 4]

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Pistols miss. Shotguns don't at home defense range.

A shot pattern doesn't expand much at typical 15 or 20-foot home defense range. It's not significantly large to guarantee a hit with a poorly aimed shot.

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Mid caliber pistol rounds can still go through bad guy and through a wall and lodge in your neighbor.

That depends upon what type of ammo is being used. There is home defense ammo that breaks up when it hits something solid, to prevent wall penetration.

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Shotguns are ideal for home defense. Especially sawed off ones. Too bad you can't saw them off.

You can saw them off, to a point. The barrel must be no less than 18-inches in length. Watch out though, because if you make it just a tad too short, then government snipers appear to murder your wife and son, like they did with Randy Weaver. It's amazing how serious they can be over a half-inch of gun barrel.

[PhillyKev 0]

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I know someone that this happened to. He was home when the perp broke into his house. The criminal was carried out. He slpet fine that night.

That's someone I wouldn't want to spend too much time around. If someone's in my house and I think they're a threat, they're getting shot, in the chest, until they're on the ground. But I damn well wouldn't feel good about it or be able to sleep that night.

[AdD 1]

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This might have already been said (sorry, I didn't read through 200 replies) but could someone in Canada verify this for me? - I heard once that in Canada, there's one place in your home where you can shoot & kill someone with basically no questions asked. That one place is the bathroom. Makes sense - you keep nothing of value (typically) in the bathroom. If an intruder is in there with you, he's coming after you. Makes sense to me. If I think you're coming after me, I won't hesitate to kill you. If I see you crawling out my back window with my VCR, I'll probably yell and scream.
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I've never heard about that. Not many ppl actually end up killing burglars here anyway. It would make sense in a context of establishing justified self-defence though. I seriously doubt that there is a law saying that it's cool to pop some guy you find sitting on your toilet however...

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[Katzeye 0]

I chose to kill, but I probably wouldn't have to shoot.

My only caveat is that first a large, very well trained protection dog would have to be removed from his (pick one) [arm, ass, face, leg, crotch]

So I probably wouldn't have to shoot him. Just call Bowser off and make him hit the deck at gunpoint.

Oh, and being a woman and home alone (I assumed) sure as shit that guy isn't going to have a chance in hell of hurting me. I'd rather live with knowing I had killed or hurt someone than with living with myself being raped or brutalized.

LA*

Is a chicken omelette redundant?

[beowulf 1]

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I chose to kill, but I probably wouldn't have to shoot.

My only caveat is that first a large, very well trained protection dog would have to be removed from his (pick one) [arm, ass, face, leg, crotch]

So I probably wouldn't have to shoot him. Just call Bowser off and make him hit the deck at gunpoint.

Oh, and being a woman and home alone (I assumed) sure as shit that guy isn't going to have a chance in hell of hurting me. I'd rather live with knowing I had killed or hurt someone than with living with myself being raped or brutalized.

LA*

Now that sounds like the best scenerio to me. Nothing like having a big well trained dog to let you know when some is around that isn't supposed to be there. A good dog can really do some damage and can hear and smell better then any human.

[airdweller 0]

The only time I can conceive of shooting someone is if my family members or myself were in imminent danger

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What if you found out later that your caveman attitude resulted in you killing Santa Claus?
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AggieDave:
Go read the rest of my posts in this thread before you jump to that very uninformed conclusion.

Look, if you're going to make a personal attack about me, my attitude and my person, go read the rest of everything I wrote to actually have the full facts.

Sure thing, Big Chief:

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If they are in my house, they are a direct threat to me and my fiance. They will be shot until the threat is no longer a threat. If that means I shoot and they stop being a threat with only a flesh wound, good for them. If that means I put two in the chest and one ni their head, that's their problem.

Dude! You just killed Santa!

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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Dude! You just killed Santa!

OK, sit down before you read this. This is going to be very traumatic. Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Faery.........................don't exist. You're parents were supposed to tell you this. Sorry I had to be the one to break it to you.

If someone breaks into your house uninvited it is probably a safe assumption they are not bearing gifts, eggs, or change for your lost teeth.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[DJL 235]

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Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Faery.........................don't exist.

NOOOOoooooo!!!!!!!!!

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[Aviatrr 0]

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Mice are how you start. After a while, you'll get more comfortable with killing and be able to move up to small game (foul, squirrels, etc). ........a bunch of other stupid shit.........Mindless killing can be a fun, rewarding hobby, if approached with patience and the proper attitude. Good luck.

This was, without a doubt, the stupidest post I have read on this thread. I know you're trying to make a point, but that's the most inane post I've ever seen on here. Yes, EVER.

I'm done with this thread. It's degraded to the lowest common denominator, which in this case, is you. I won't read or reply to anything else in this thread...and I hope that it is locked or deleted soon.

Mike

[Douva 0]

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lol how i felt?? hmmm i was laughing at how you are comparing the remorse of killing a dog, to killing a person who is after you or your family.... just doesnt make sence to me.

Well, you started out on the right track by laughing, but after that I think you may have been taken my comments a little too seriously. They weren't meant as political satire; they were a joke.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[Douva 0]

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Mice are how you start. After a while, you'll get more comfortable with killing and be able to move up to small game (foul, squirrels, etc). ........a bunch of other stupid shit.........Mindless killing can be a fun, rewarding hobby, if approached with patience and the proper attitude. Good luck.

This was, without a doubt, the stupidest post I have read on this thread. I know you're trying to make a point, but that's the most inane post I've ever seen on here. Yes, EVER.

I'm done with this thread. It's degraded to the lowest common denominator, which in this case, is you. I won't read or reply to anything else in this thread...and I hope that it is locked or deleted soon.

Mike

Mike, does this seem at all in line with any of the "points" I've tried to make in this thread? It was simply a joke (not meant to be cruel or make any kind of statement, just meant to be purposely offensive for the sake of being humorous) made towards the woman who said she couldn't kill a person because she had a hard time killing a mouse. The joke being (although obviously not as clearly as I'd hoped) that she could learn to kill with practice. I included the disclaimer because I didn't want someone accusing me of actually condoning anything as sick as killing people or pets. I asked for comments because I thought it would be interesting to see how different people reacted to such a blatantly violent statement, and I thought it would discourage flaming by people who didn't understand the post.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[Douva 0]

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I killed a mouse once. Had to. He was stuck on that sticky paper and he was dying anyway. I felt so bad for him. After I killed him I felt absolutely shitty. Killing sucks.

I couldn't kill a person unless, like you said, they were harming someone I loved. If all they were doing was robbing me maybe I'd shoot em in the leg or something, I don't really know. Shooting some one that's robbing you TO KILL just seems harsh and I think losing some belongings would be better (for me) then the turmoil I'd be in for taking a human life.

Mice are how you start. After a while, you'll get more comfortable with killing and be able to move up to small game (foul, squirrels, etc). Once you've gotten past the stage of feeling guilty about killing squirrels and pheasant, you can move up to larger game, such as deer. By the time you can kill a deer without remorse, you're really on your way. At this point you want to start moving toward something with which you feel some sort of an emotional link, similar to what you would feel with another human but obviously not as strong. At this point I would suggest that you may be ready for house cats and small dogs. Killing pets will probably take a little longer to get used to. This is really the hardest hump for most people to get over, but once you're comfortable strangling a German Shepherd or drowning a Calico, you should be pretty well desensitized to killing. Now it's time to move on to humans. I suggest starting with drifters and hobos because it eliminates the need to cover your tracks quite as closely on the first few kills. That's not to say that you don't have to cover your tracks at all; you just don't have to get all "CSI" with the bodies. You're generally safe just dumping them in the river (you should still be sure to weight them). After a while, you can move on to neighbors and colleagues. Deciding when a person is ready to move on to killing friends and neighbors is a decision only that person can make. Take your time and get used to the screaming and the blood and, of course, the cleanup procedures. Mindless killing can be a fun, rewarding hobby, if approached with patience and the proper attitude. Good luck.

If you were offended in any way, shape, or form by the above statements, congratulations, you have a soul. Now, post a reply detailing exactly how you felt while reading the above statements.

If anybody else is joining the debate late, let me just say that the post quoted above does not reflect my views on anything. I had a couple of hours to kill between film festival panels today, so I made a purposely offensive post for no reason other than I thought it would be fun to break up the monotony of the thread. It wasn't meant to compare hunters to serial killers or anything like that; it was just meant to meant to catch you off guard and make you go "WTF?" I'm sorry if I confused anybody.

--Douva

PS. If any of the moderators want to remove the original post and its replies, feel free. I don't want to start a war over something as stupid as my quick tips for becoming a big serial killer.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[Fireflyer 0]

i'm not a big gun fan, but i do like bats. i had 20 some break-ins into my car while living in philadelphia, and there was always a bat by my door. i hoped i'd hear the car alarm, rush out there, and take a knee. i wouldn't kill the guy, but he'd be walking with a limp when the cops arrive.

as far as my house, well, i would shoot first if being robbed (you have to assume they are armed) and i would aim for center mass (torso). i'm trying to drop the guy with one shot. i'd rather he actually live and get a little prison sex out of the deal along with the bullet, but if he dies, he dies.

[crzjp20 0]

my bad i though you were being serious.... wow wrong person to think that from....

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And, deadly force is just fine in Texas to protect your property

With all the former Govenors talks with GOD I am surprised that GOD has not told him... its just stuff...THOU SHALT NOT KILL supersedes THou shalt not take thine neighbors stuff.

Just remember.. when you pull th trigger you have to live with the consequences.. was it really to protect you and your family or some screwed up red neck vengeance thing.. If its the second one.. it is YOU who had better get REALLLLy right with GOD.

[crzjp20 0]

lol i love being a redneck!!!

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[JohnRich 4]

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And, deadly force is just fine in Texas to protect your property

With all the former Govenors talks with GOD I am surprised that GOD has not told him... its just stuff... THOU SHALT NOT KILL supersedes THou shalt not take thine neighbors stuff.

That law was in existance in Texas long before Bush became Governor.

As for what God may have thought about using deadly force to protect our "stuff", try these Bible quotes:

Luke:11:21-22
"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils."

Exodus:22:2
"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

[AggieDave 6]

Dude, you absolutely amaze me.

I know you're joking, but still.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."