PhillyKev 0 #51 March 16, 2004 QuoteOther than that he's been rock solid. True....well, except for funding No Child Left Behind and programs to fight AIDS, and not raiding social security reserves, and seeking UN support for war, and being a compassionate conservative, and being a uniter not a divider. Other that that he's been rock solid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #52 March 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteOther than that he's been rock solid. True....well, except for funding No Child Left Behind and programs to fight AIDS, and not raiding social security reserves, and seeking UN support for war, and being a compassionate conservative, and being a uniter not a divider. Other that that he's been rock solid. And funding veterans' care. Other that that he's been rock solid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #53 March 16, 2004 QuoteNot for him...He is one of the biggest hypocrites I can think of. It's just par for the course with Kerry. Im Against the 1st gulf war....Then I totally support the Pres. I'm For the patriot act....The patriot act is a bad thing. Kinda like when Bush said that gay marriage was an issue best left to the states (February 2000) Or when he said “If you overspend, it creates a fundamental weakness in the foundation of economic growth. And so I'm working with Congress to make sure they hear the message -- the message of fiscal responsibility.” (September 2002) Blues, Dave How about"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #54 March 16, 2004 Jesus, Kerry really is a goofy lookin mother fucker and quade, looking at his voting record, Kerry is all about coming to get your guns. (if you happen to own any)witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #55 March 16, 2004 Some of us are old enough to get Lurch, but probably not many.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #56 March 17, 2004 QuoteSome of us are old enough to get Lurch, but probably not many. Speak up, Sonny, I'm a little hard of hearing these days.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #57 March 17, 2004 Guys, everybody knows the Addams Famliy. I'm 23 and I've seen like every version of AF. You guys are old, sure, but Addams Family is like Aerosmith, they've outlasted you. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #58 March 17, 2004 All right we focused grouped it and as long as you don't confuse "The Addams Family" with "The Munsters" I think it's a go. Ok, cue the joke and don't for get to bring the ha ha. I do think it's a little sad that this is the best humor you can get out of Kerry at this point, but seriously I don't know what will really resonate with the folks more than one standard deviation right of center. Maybe sight gags -is- all they've got. I mean, hell, look at: GWB and his flight suit halloween costume. (sight gag) GWB and the WMDs -- no, wait, hold on that was an "out of sight" gag.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panzwami 0 #59 March 17, 2004 QuoteGWB and the WMDs -- no, wait, hold on that was an "out of sight" gag. Would those be the same WMDs that kerry is on the record asserting as a problem, long before Bush became President? Not only did he state openly on more than one occasion that Iraq was developing dangerous chemical and nuclear weapons, but the actions that he spelled out as being necessary to deal with Iraq this time around are the exact actions that Bush took. In part: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act." http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=3290 Matt ----- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #60 March 17, 2004 From the same article: Quote As early as 1990, he stated in the Senate that "Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability, and is pursuing a nuclear weapons development program." emphasis mine Lemme think for a minute . . . who was in office at that time? I have no doubt whatsoever that Hussein was working on WMDs at that time, however, to use a quote from that time period and apply it to this is simply ludicrous. Find me something that says Kerry was a proponent of leaving the search for Osama bin Laden in favor of invading Iraq under the guise of a search for WMDs and you might have something worthy of nullifying the malfeasance of GWB.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #61 March 17, 2004 QuoteAnd here he is with some of those types, and best friends: Schumer, Feinstein & Kennedy. I'm not comfortable putting my freedom and security in the hands of that bunch. Well said brother John. C- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #62 March 17, 2004 Quote Guys, everybody knows the Addams Famliy. I'd say so........I watched an episode today. I think it was on Channel 19 here in Cleveland. Something about Pugsley and Wednesday going to a private school. Uncle Fester blew himself up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #63 March 17, 2004 Wait a minute . . . Is that the one where Gomez is playing with the trains, Morticia speaks french, Uncle Fester puts a light bulb in his mouth and it lights up? I love that one. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #64 March 17, 2004 don't forget the random running with and throwing of sharp objects. that was the best part ot that episode. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #65 March 17, 2004 Again John...This is a Kerry thread not a Bush thread...Sling mud ina Bush thread and let us stick to our own happy little Kerry is an idiot topics here"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #66 March 17, 2004 QuotePOT! why should I stop if you don't? And atleast I use more than ONE example of anything..."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #67 March 17, 2004 QuoteKinda like when Bush said that gay marriage was an issue best left to the states (February 2000) Your pal Kerry on this topic. (Since it is a Kerry thread and all.) QuoteIn 2002, Kerry Signed Letter “Urging” MA Legislature To Reject Constitutional Amendment Banning Gay Marriage. “We rarely comment on issues that are wholly within the jurisdiction of the General Court, but there are occasions when matters pending before you are of such significance to all residents of the Commonwealth that we think it appropriate for us to express our opinion. One such matter is the proposed Constitutional amendment that would prohibit or seriously inhibit any legal recognition whatsoever of same-sex relationships. We believe it would be a grave error for Massachusetts to enshrine in our Constitution a provision which would have such a negative effect on so many of our fellow residents. … We are therefore united in urging you to reject this Constitutional amendment and avoid stigmatizing so many of our fellow citizens who do not deserve to be treated in such a manner.” (Sen. John Kerry, et al, Letter To Members Of The Massachusetts Legislature, 7/12/02) Now, In 2004, Kerry Won’t Rule Out Supporting Similar Amendment. “Asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn’t rule out the possibility. ‘I’ll have to see what language there is,’ he said.” (Susan Milligan, “Kerry Says GOP May Target Him On So first he says No...then he says Maybe?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #68 March 17, 2004 QuoteSo first he says No...then he says Maybe? Check the actual words. QuoteOne such matter is the proposed Constitutional amendment that would prohibit or seriously inhibit any legal recognition whatsoever of same-sex relationships versus QuoteAsked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn’t rule out the possibility" These quotes are both consistent with each other and his recent statements that he opposes same-sex marriage but supports "civil unions." FYI - Kerry is a far cry from being "my pal". He's just not as dangerous to our nation as Bush is, by a few orders of magnitude. I'd cast my vote with the Libertarian party if I weren't so vehemently opposed to 4 more years of the current idiot. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #69 March 17, 2004 QuoteWait a minute . . . Is that the one where Gomez is playing with the trains, Morticia speaks french, Uncle Fester puts a light bulb in his mouth and it lights up? I love that one. You left out cousin It. and the dragon, Spot, under the stairs.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #70 March 17, 2004 Spot was from the Munsters...you're getting your cheesy sitcoms confused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #71 March 17, 2004 QuoteAgain John...This is a Kerry thread not a Bush thread...Sling mud ina Bush thread and let us stick to our own happy little Kerry is an idiot topics here BUSH LIED... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #72 March 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteAgain John...This is a Kerry thread not a Bush thread...Sling mud ina Bush thread and let us stick to our own happy little Kerry is an idiot topics here BUSH LIED Kmart....Kmart...Kmart.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #73 March 17, 2004 QuoteCheck the actual words. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One such matter is the proposed Constitutional amendment that would prohibit or seriously inhibit any legal recognition whatsoever of same-sex relationships You should check the actual words.. QuoteIn 2002, Kerry Signed Letter “Urging” MA Legislature To Reject Constitutional Amendment Banning Gay Marriage. “We rarely comment on issues that are wholly within the jurisdiction of the General Court, but there are occasions when matters pending before you are of such significance to all residents of the Commonwealth that we think it appropriate for us to express our opinion. One such matter is the proposed Constitutional amendment that would prohibit or seriously inhibit any legal recognition whatsoever of same-sex relationships. We believe it would be a grave error for Massachusetts to enshrine in our Constitution a provision which would have such a negative effect on so many of our fellow residents. … We are therefore united in urging you to reject this Constitutional amendment and avoid stigmatizing so many of our fellow citizens who do not deserve to be treated in such a manner.” (Sen. John Kerry, et al, Letter To Members Of The Massachusetts Legislature, 7/12/02) I quoted the whole thing to show where he said this part... Quotelegal recognition whatsoever of same-sex relationships Legal recognition being the key thing...You don't need LEGAL recocnition to date or live with someone...Only to get the benefits of marriage. Then he says: QuoteAsked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn’t rule out the possibility" So in the first one he says that the states should not ban Gay Marriage (Or a LEGAL union). Then in the second he says he would not rule it out. QuoteThese quotes are both consistent with each other and his recent statements that he opposes same-sex marriage but supports "civil unions." What is a marriage but a "Civil Union" recognized by law? Another BS argument brought to you by the same party we had to define the words "sex" and "is". A Marriage is a Civil Union. And Im still waiting for Kerry to pick a side."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #74 March 17, 2004 QuoteBUSH LIED If the best you can do is be a parrot John.....I'm not going to bother debating it with you. I have lost much respect fro you and found you to be a good advisary...and to be honest you made me doubt my ideas at times...But not with 3rd grade retoric like this. Hello Rainman, Good bye Doc."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #75 March 17, 2004 Quote What is a marriage but a "Civil Union" recognized by law? That's a good question, and one better directed at your right-wing theocracy supporters than me. The rest of your argument is pretty disingenuous. You know Kerry has stepped out against gay marriage and has supported "civil unions." I'm sure you also know that most people see a difference between the two. As evidence, see all the people who don't get their panties in a bunch over corporate domestic partnership benefits, but seem to think that one couple getting married in San Francisco will somehow destroy their marriage in Wichita. Bush himself, in calling for the constitutional amendment said "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife. The amendment should fully protect marriage, while leaving the state legislatures free to make their own choices in defining legal arrangements other than marriage. " Quote A Marriage is a Civil Union. On that we agree. Unfortunately our government thinks its sacred religious implement that should be financially rewarded (as long as it's a "normal" marriage, not one of those deviant mormon or muslim variants). Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
