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kallend 2,150
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Now if it were a guy with TWO heads in a mariachi costume...THEN it would be Kerry.
Photoshop anyone??
You have to give credit where credit is due -
Bush does things, and says things more because it is the "Right Thing To Do".
Kerry is on a purely political agenda and will contradict himself blatantly and think that it is ok to do so. I mean really BELIEVE that contradicting ones self is the right thing to do. That way he makes no enemies. Pussy
Bush says things that are the right thing to SAY, and then does something else.
Example 1:
On the VERY SAME DAY he was giving a talk at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, saying how veterans deserved the best care the country could give them, Bush proposed reducing Veterans benefits
Here's what he said:
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030117-8.html
Here's a report on what he subsequently did:
www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=news.newsDtl&did=1576
Example 2. He said our deficit will be "small and short-term".
His subsequent actions increased government spending and decreased revenues, leading to the largest deficit of any nation in the history of the world. From surplus to record deficit in 3 years - what a great record to run on!
Example 3. In a campaign speech in 2000 Bush said about nation building by the US: "Absolutely not".
What exactly are we doing right now in Iraq?
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Ron 10
QuoteBush says things that are the right thing to SAY, and then does something else
Another example of you throwing mud.
Hint...This is not a BUSH thread.
Of course we could mention that Kerry does BOTH things all the time...so I guess he is right on every subject...Just not for long.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
QuoteHint...This is not a BUSH thread.
He's right....we should be fair. After all, on the GWB threads, they always bring up Clinton. So on a Kerry thread I guess we should bring up GB, Sr.
Ron 10
QuoteHe's right....we should be fair. After all, on the GWB threads, they always bring up Clinton. So on a Kerry thread I guess we should bring up GB, Sr.
This from the same guy that said this:
Quotehttp://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=982571#982571He shouldn't be claiming endorsements that aren't able to be confirmed. But, at the same time, a little hypocritical of the guys who won't cooperate with the 9/11 commission or the congress regarding energy policy questions to call someone out for not revealing secret conversations.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
quade 4
Ya know . . . speaking of irony.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/16/kerry.leaders/
Yeah, even though the Kerry "quote" has pretty much been disproven, GWB continues to use it against him.
A new definition of irony is GWB talking about having facts to back up claims.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/16/kerry.leaders/
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"I think if you're gonna make an accusation in the course of a presidential campaign, you out to back it up with facts," Bush said Tuesday during a news conference with the Netherlands' Prime Minister, Jan Peter Balkenende.
Yeah, even though the Kerry "quote" has pretty much been disproven, GWB continues to use it against him.
A new definition of irony is GWB talking about having facts to back up claims.
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JohnRich 4
QuoteI think the issue most of us have with Kerry has more to do with the fact that he's just another North Eastern Liberal in the same mold of Kennedy, Dukaikas etc.
And here he is with some of those types, and best friends: Schumer, Feinstein & Kennedy.
I'm not comfortable putting my freedom and security in the hands of that bunch.
quade 4
Wait a minute . . . you mean these people are free to roam around the Capitol Building and have their photo taken together.
Oh . . . My . . . God!
Call the NRA! They're ganging up to confiscate all your guns!
Seriously John, just because they pose for a photo op doesn't mean they're best friends or conspiring to do harm.
Oh . . . My . . . God!
Call the NRA! They're ganging up to confiscate all your guns!
Seriously John, just because they pose for a photo op doesn't mean they're best friends or conspiring to do harm.
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Rainbo 0
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Yeah, even though the Kerry "quote" has pretty much been disproven, GWB continues to use it against him.
A new definition of irony is GWB talking about having facts to back up claims.
What's been disproven. The reporter still says that even if he "misquoted" Kerry that what he was referring to were political leaders of other nations. These guys are both going to make blunders during this campaign season. Lets not try to cover them up. I think we should make a scoreboard and then vote for the one who misspeaks the least. No wait, I forgot I vote Libertarian anyway.
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Ron 10
QuoteYeah, even though the Kerry "quote" has pretty much been disproven, GWB continues to use it against him.
A new definition of irony is GWB talking about having facts to back up claims.
From your own link:
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Kerry told a Bush supporter at a Pennsylvania jobs forum Sunday that the leaders who made the comments were speaking to him in confidence and are currently engaged in work with the Bush administration.
While declining to name names, Kerry said Sunday that he has had conversations with world leaders over the last two years and also has friends who have met with concerned leaders as recently as a week ago. He described the leaders as "allies" and "friends" of the United States who have been alienated by the Bush administration.
"I have heard from people who are leaders elsewhere in the world who don't appreciate the Bush administration approach and would love to see a change in the leadership of the United States," he said.
And notice he is not saying its not what he said....
He is ssaying he will not tell him who told him that...Why keep secret something that is not true?
Face it..He said it. Otherwise why not just say its not true...Especially if the reported was "wrong".
He verified it by not discrediting it. Instead he went to "secret route".
He said it....Just like gore invented the internet.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
So he said it, like I said, it makes him an ass to make those kinds of claims without having their public endorsement. But is it really that big of a deal? Especially in light of the conversations that Bush and Cheyney want to keep secret (energy policy and 9/11 commission) that actualy have to do with public policy.
Amazon 7
Hell I believe him.. just do a poll of non american skydivers here on DZ.COM.. Bush is seen as a total and complete idiot in MOST of the world. He and his cronies have alienated so many people on this planet that instead of being a respected role model we are now seen as a threat in many places. I am not just talking about in places that have traditionally been our foes.. but our friends as well.
No matter what the policy from Iraq to family planning the Bush Doctrine has been to serve notice on the world that if you do not believe as this administration does ... whether it be economics.. energy or religeous...If you aint with us you are agin us... Black and white. And GW has it on the highest authority since GOD told him he was put in this position at this time.
No matter what the policy from Iraq to family planning the Bush Doctrine has been to serve notice on the world that if you do not believe as this administration does ... whether it be economics.. energy or religeous...If you aint with us you are agin us... Black and white. And GW has it on the highest authority since GOD told him he was put in this position at this time.
I believe it too, but he's still an ass for making a public claim about private endorsements.
JohnRich 4
QuoteThey're ganging up to confiscate all your guns!
As a matter of fact, the history of those three people shows that that is exactly what they've done.
QuoteSeriously John, just because they pose for a photo op doesn't mean they're best friends or conspiring to do harm.
Of course they're not evil, intentionally out to do harm. They're doing what they think is "good". However, they're idea of good, is what I categorize as "harm". It's all a matter of personal opinion and perspective.
Ron 10
QuoteSo he said it, like I said, it makes him an ass to make those kinds of claims without having their public endorsement.
Ok so we agree he is an ass.
QuoteBut is it really that big of a deal?
Not for him...He is one of the biggest hypocrites I can think of. It's just par for the course with Kerry.
Im Against the 1st gulf war....Then I totally support the Pres.
I'm For the patriot act....The patriot act is a bad thing.
I could go on...In fact when I get home I will post a bunch of Kerry switching sides stories.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
QuoteI could go on...In fact when I get home I will post a bunch of Kerry switching sides stories.
Why not just link to the 50 other times you've already posted them?
Ron 10
QuoteWhy not just link to the 50 other times you've already posted them?
Well why don't you and Kallend just say Ditto instead of Bush Bashing?
Besides, I have like 20 different topics he has played both sides on...I have been doing my research so far I have just used the biggies.
I have ones on Gay marriage I have not used yet...all kinds of good stuff.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
quade 4
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I could go on...In fact when I get home I will post a bunch of Kerry switching sides stories.
Um, yeah . . . like GWB has never changed his mind.
I wish I could link to the web site a great piece Jon Stewart did with side by side comments of GWB the candidate and GWB the President.
Lemme see if this works.
Yeah, that should work for you if you have Real.
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Ron 10
QuoteI wish I could link to the web site a great piece Jon Stewart did with side by side comments of GWB the candidate and GWB the President.
Lemme see if this works.
Yeah, that should work for you if you have Real
I'll have to try that at home. I'll get back to you.
But lets face it ALL people change their minds...My biggest issue is how Kerry will not just admit it...He claims he didn't change his mind.
And you guys buy it...now that does kill me.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
kallend 2,150
QuoteQuoteI wish I could link to the web site a great piece Jon Stewart did with side by side comments of GWB the candidate and GWB the President.
Lemme see if this works.
Yeah, that should work for you if you have Real
I'll have to try that at home. I'll get back to you.
But lets face it ALL people change their minds...My biggest issue is how Kerry will not just admit it...He claims he didn't change his mind.
And you guys buy it...now that does kill me.
Since you don't want me to remind you by reposting stuff I've posted previously (and you ignored), I'll just mention that as a candidate Bush said "Absolutely Not" to nation building (link available on request), then went ahead and did it in Iraq, then got his mouthpiece Ari Fleischer to deny that he ever said it (link available on request).
Bush also said one thing and then did the converse on: the deficit, veterans' benefits, education, etc., as I'm sure you know but won't acknowledge.
And, of course, "We know where they are".
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kallend 2,150
[replyHe said it....Just like gore invented the internet.
POT!
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>like GWB has never changed his mind.
Well, only on deficit spending, and state's rights as applied to gay marriage, and police and firefighter funding, and campaign finance reform, and the 9/11 commission, and nation building, and the importance of finding Bin Laden, and negotiating with North Korea. Other than that he's been rock solid.
Well, only on deficit spending, and state's rights as applied to gay marriage, and police and firefighter funding, and campaign finance reform, and the 9/11 commission, and nation building, and the importance of finding Bin Laden, and negotiating with North Korea. Other than that he's been rock solid.
Photoshop anyone??
You have to give credit where credit is due -
Bush does things, and says things more because it is the "Right Thing To Do".
Kerry is on a purely political agenda and will contradict himself blatantly and think that it is ok to do so. I mean really BELIEVE that contradicting ones self is the right thing to do. That way he makes no enemies. Pussy
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