"Conscientious Objector" - My Fat Hairy White Ass

[Guest]

This hypocritical prick is spouting all kinds of political BS which his lib handlers have put in his mouth, which in itself is bad enough (he's harping about oil and WMDs).

But to claim "conscientious objector" status after taking the King's Shilling and serving in Iraq is nothing less than detestable. He's a DESERTER, and should be punished - here's why:

He's abandoned his mates, and taken on the mantle of a political spokesman for his liberal masters.

One of the men he has selfishly abandoned must now take his place - his departure has put other (better) men at more risk.

Furthermore, a soldier is just that - a soldier. A soldier is a part of a larger whole - a unit, and he does what he's told, when he's told. Any political opinions he may have about the current state of world affairs are of little consequence.

This punk is an alien from Guatemala, who used this country as a means of improving his own life, and decided to do it by serving in the military - well and good.

And it would be one thing if he went through channels and asked to be relieved because he'd had enough and seen enough and couldn't take it anymore. Also well and good - I doubt that few can take much of the ugly business of war and not be profoundly affected.

But now that he's turned his back on his fellow soldiers, and is grandstanding about it for the benefit of his liberal sponsors, it is my opinion that he should be stripped of his citizenship (if he even has it), and sent back to that Central American cesspool he came from.

Story here.

mh

.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[jb092 0]

Charge his ass with desertion, send him to jail, when its over deportation. The only way it would be right in my mind.

What could possibly go wrong?

[skycop 0]

Nope,
Put him back on active duty, change his MOS to Medic, and send him back for another year. Then see what he does.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[bodypilot90 0]

Quote

But now that he's turned his back on his fellow soldiers, and is grandstanding about it for the benefit of his liberal sponsors, it is my opinion that he should be stripped of his citizenship (if he even has it), and sent back to that Central American cesspool he came from.

You got that right.

[newsstand 0]

Quote

Charge his ass with desertion, send him to jail, when its over deportation. The only way it would be right in my mind.

While I agree with points one and two where do you plan on deporting him too? In that particular story I did not see anything about him being a foreign national, or is that hispanic last name making you jump to conclusions?

If he is a foreign national then deport away.

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes

[harryskydives 0]

a medic can see pleanty of combat, and must have the balls to do his job in the worst conditions.
Change his mos to cleaner of the latrines.

Don't run out of altitude and experience at the same time...

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

A clear case of desertion. Reduction in rank to lowest grade and a bad conduct discharge.

[DrunkMonkey 0]

Quote

A clear case of desertion. Reduction in rank to lowest grade and a bad conduct discharge.

...Add 18 months of being someones' bitch at Ft Leavenworth USDB. Full restitution of the monetary value of all his training, food, and issued equipment. Lifetime prohibition from ever holding a GS job.

Fuqur.

[Luv2Fall 0]

There are female U.S. soldiers over there now, "The Ghost Soldiers" - a small element that comes quickly to mind, who have MORE BALLS than do guys like this.

[jdhill 0]

It may not be in that story, but other sources have reported that he is a resident alien... reduction in rank to PV1, 18 months of hard labor at Ft Leavenworth, BCD... when he gets out, kick him out of the country.

You join the military, for whatever reason, you don't get to pick which fights you go to and which one you don't.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[kiltboy 0]

Quote

But to claim "conscientious objector" status after taking the King's Shilling and serving in Iraq is nothing less than detestable. He's a DESERTER, and should be punished - here's why:

What's this about rebellious colonists taking the King's shilling?

Could the guy have reported, stated his objections/refused to soldier and went straight to jail instead of deserting?

David

[fudd 0]

He rather go to jail than to be part of a system that kills people.
Sounds like a dangerous criminal. Send him to jail, or better...the chair.

There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

[jdhill 0]

Quote

the chair.

Which, if he is found guilty of desertion, he is eligible for...

And he already is part of your so called "system"... He's done a tour in Iraq, and his unit is going back... it is the military... in the end, you go where you are told to go, and fight who you are told to fight.
J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[Skyrad 0]

Shouldn't judge a man 'till you've walked a mile in his boots. A lot of people sitting safe in thier easy boys shouting hang him here. He's already seen action. How many of you have? If he's such a little shit then how did he get to the rank of Staff Sargent? Is the American millitary so inept that cowardly hypocritical alien pricks often make it to Staff Sgt? I don't suppose this is something he's done lightly. To break from his men trash his career, his reputation. Disgrace his regiment. Thats not something one does lightly. Ever thought that maybe he had real reasons?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Quote

Shouldn't judge a man 'till you've walked a mile in his boots. A lot of people sitting safe in thier easy boys shouting hang him here. He's already seen action. How many of you have? If he's such a little shit then how did he get to the rank of Staff Sargent? Is the American millitary so inept that cowardly hypocritical alien pricks often make it to Staff Sgt? I don't suppose this is something he's done lightly. To break from his men trash his career, his reputation. Disgrace his regiment. Thats not something one does lightly. Ever thought that maybe he had real reasons?

If this guy is a deserter he should be dealt with like all other deserters.

what makes me laugh is all these people calling for his deportation because he is not an American.

Hey, how many of you so americans calling for his deportation are decendants of native americans, or maybe descendants of slaves forced to come to america? Cause the rest of you are desendants of resident aliens who came to America for a better life.

I say anybody in the US who gets caught doing something bad should get deported to the land of their ancestors with the two abovementioned exceptions, regardless of the contributions they may have made prior to their fuckup.

[Nightingale 0]

Personally, I feel that if you are not ready to follow the orders of your CO and Commander in Chief (however much a moron you may think him), you shouldn't sign on the dotted line to enlist.

That said, I am refraining from further judgement til more details are released regarding the soldier's side of the story. If its simply an "I don't wanna go back because I don't wanna." follow the appropriate actions for AWOL and/or deserter. However, if there were extenuating circumstances, those must be taken into account as well.

[DrunkMonkey 0]

Quote

Shouldn't judge a man 'till you've walked a mile in his boots...If he's such a little shit then how did he get to the rank of Staff Sargent? Is the American millitary so inept that cowardly hypocritical alien pricks often make it to Staff Sgt? I

Yes, the system quite often promotes dipsh**s beacuse they kiss the CC's a$$, and know how to fluff their record for the promotion board, or they test well on promotion tests.

I've seen some of my best flightline troops get passed over for promotion, whilst the idiot admin troop with two Article 15's gets promoted. Bureaucracy at its most inept.

You get your orders, you salute smartly and carry on. Patton had it right, the conscientious objector thing is a bunch of crap for people who want hthe benefits without sacking up and doing their duty.

[Luv2Fall 0]

All too true.............seen and experienced way too much of it.

[happythoughts 0]

I thought someone was objecting to your fat, hairy, white ass. I probably would too. However, for an unbiased judgement, post a pic.

[Skyrad 0]

'You get your orders, you salute smartly and carry on. '

Last I heard that didn't go down to well at Neuremburg.

I heard on the news that this man did not want to return to Iraq becasue he was in an action where US troops shot and killed women and children in an engagement. Allegedly he was stating that he did not want to be placed in that situation again.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[KrisFlyZ 0]

Quote

I thought someone was objecting to your fat, hairy, white ass. I probably would too. However, for an unbiased judgement, post a pic.

Hey!! I object to people posting pics of "fat, hairy, white ass"s. If it is smooth pretty female butt pics..............."Bring it On"

[DrunkMonkey 0]

Well, last I checked we weren't Nazi Germany, nor are we committing genocide.

If you want the members of the RN, RA, and RAF deciding that they can pick and choose what they participate in, have at it-you just weakened your country. Not here.

Last I checked, Tony Blair does what GWB tells him to. We have bases in Mildenhall, Lankenheath, amongst other UK places.

Discipline exists to win wars. I resent the implication that the US DoD is akin the the Third Reich. Have you ever worn your country's uniform?

[jdhill 0]

If he were a naturalized citizen, then I would not be saying deport him... he's not.

He has been charged with a Capital offense... if he is convicted, he will be a felon... felons who are not citizens often get the boot...

If he is convicted, and he does get to stay, he'll have a hard time finding gainful employment, a) being a felon, b) having either a BCD or Dishonorable dischagre.

On another note, my ancestors came over before the US was a country, so as far as I'm concerned the US is the country of my ancestors... and by all scientific accounts "Native Americans" did not evolve here, they migrated too.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

Quote

I thought someone was objecting to your fat, hairy, white ass. I probably would too. However, for an unbiased judgement, post a pic.

Don't listen to Bill - do not post that pic. I am one of your "liberal masters" and do not give you permission.

_________________________________________
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....

[crzjp20 0]

that guy has no cahnce in court. He signed the same piee of paper i did saying that i am not aconcious objector. You can not become a CO for an instant, or a situation, it is an all the time thing. He will be convicted and be sentenced and spend a few years ina military prision. I think the minimum is 18 months under the UCMJ.

--------------------------------------------------
Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.