Faber 0 #51 March 23, 2004 Quote I fear for my friends in Israel pretty much all the time, whether or not the terrorists have a new "reason" to do something. Terrorism is not rational and no amount of retaliation or non-retaliation will get them to stop perhaps if you were faced the same things as the palistinas you fight for your country aswell,you know who steal it right??The only way they can fight back is the dirty way they do.i dont like it at all,but i would be fucking mad aswell if some one would take my place,and then just do it.. Sorry most of the time i dont sympathi by muslims,but i dont think what happens down there is fair...from both sides.. But i guess some countryes makes mony from the events down there...atleast it dosnt looks like any is trying to stop it.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #52 March 23, 2004 QuoteI apologize if I offended you not offended i just hope more people would do more research before reaching a conclusion, moreover when your main (and often only) source is what you see on TV. you're free to feel his way is not the right way, and many here would agree with you (we are democratic, you know...) I didnt vote for him either, but i must say that given the situation i would have done the same. and yes, i do hope there will be someone reasonable to talk to on the other side, and believe it or not, Sharon will talk rather than shoot. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #53 March 23, 2004 There just isn't a good answer, is there. So it's my turn for a simplistic viewpoint On the one hand, a large number of Palestinians were displaced in the last 1/2 century. On the other hand, they were displaced by an even larger number of Jews who were generally more violently displaced from their homelands. On yet another hand, a lot of the Palestinians who were displaced into other countries were largely not absorbed into those countries, but instead remained in refugee camps; this increases their ongoing sense of loss. On yet another hand, there have been attempts to obliterate Israel, and Israel has taken a very heavy hand in general in fighting that, and in dealing with the Palestinians socially and politically. On the other hand, the ongoing resentment against the current Israeli government causes a lot of less-than-cooperative behavior among the Palestinians, which reacts strongly, which doesn't improve the treatment of or behavior of the Palestinians. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who lives in a place where they have fewer rights than another group; not de facto, but legally and legitimately. You have to carry an ID card and can't find a job because of your ethnicity; others have fewer restrictions. Everyone has restrictions, but there are fewer if you're a non-Palestinian Israeli. What part of this lends itself to a possible resolution? Nothing. Only something like the 2 mothers in Ireland who started the Mother's March years ago (and who won the Nobel Peace Prize for it, and one of whom committed suicide over her sadness a few years later). I liked what Marz had to say -- it's the fathers' generation's pissing contest, and someone has to risk getting pissed on to stop it. With millions of people involved, well, someone is going to get pissed on. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #54 March 23, 2004 QuoteI liked what Marz had to say same do i Quoteit's the fathers' generation's pissing contest, and someone has to risk getting pissed on to stop it. With millions of people involved, well, someone is going to get pissed on. Problem theese people(both sides) has got a sex deseace and they are pissing blod all over... The most sad part is that no one tryes to stop them. I cant tell who has the rights most but i know that killing and hurting each other aint gonna help the cause,well atleast its my oppinion.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marz 0 #55 March 23, 2004 On a lighter note, I move for a celebrity boxing match on FOX. Sharon's best guy vs. Arafat' best guy, no holds barred. Winner takes all. No bombs, bullets or dead babies. Marz _________________________________________ Did I just kill another thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #56 March 24, 2004 QuoteOn a lighter note, I move for a celebrity boxing match on FOX. Sharon's best guy vs. Arafat' best guy, no holds barred. Winner takes all. No bombs, bullets or dead babies. Marz Might as well put in the leaders themselves. Heck, put on Pay-per-view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #57 March 24, 2004 QuoteQuotei wonder what would their reaction be if it was the mind behind the madrid attacks... no endto hypocrisy... Quotei wonder what americans would do if their leader were MURDERED like that Cry me a river. Hamas does not deserve your compassion. Why are you so quick to offer it. QuoteI wonder how people think that killing will make peace No one is talking about peace on this issue. Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad do not want peace. QuoteI wonder when USA stop beeing doubbel moral You mean Israel? QuoteI wonder who is next on USA´s terro list You mean Israel? QuoteI wonder how to stop this insanity that appers in the world In simplistic terms, it would be simple for everyone to just drop their guns and not shoot. Human nature is not inclined to follow that. QuoteI wonder if USA will be one of the main reassons to WW3 WW3 was the Cold War. It lasted 50 years. We won. We didn't start this war on terror either. We will finish it. No thanks is necessary from our "friends" across the pond, as they wouldn't know how anyway. QuoteI wonder when leaders start to look at the case from both sides Most leaders do, but they base their decisions on what will benefit their side. Rightfully so. QuoteI wonder how many more has to die Quite a few I'm afraid.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #58 March 24, 2004 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i wonder what americans would do if their leader were MURDERED like that -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cry me a river. Hamas does not deserve your compassion. Why are you so quick to offer it. Neither do USA,i dont give my compassion,i just state that killing like that aint the way to do it,do do you think that JFK should die the way he did aswell?? just asking... QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder how people think that killing will make peace -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is talking about peace on this issue. Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad do not want peace. No not on the terms they has right now,perhaps if people minded their own buissness we would have more peace(hint hint USA and other countryes) QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder when USA stop beeing doubbel moral -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You mean Israel? No deafently USA.USA is the only state/country in the world that ask/fight countryes to lay down weappons of massdestruction,but keep their own..(just one example i guess i dont need to give more,if so then just say so..) QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder who is next on USA´s terro list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You mean Israel? YES if USA also is controled by Isral then yes,othervise no..IO mean USA who just found a new way to legalize war,just call the other for terroists then its legal.. Sorry im on whith you guys on Al quaida(or what thouse fuckers are named),but to claim others for terroists before having facts is just wrong and not the way to fight terro in the world(which i also would like to get rid of). QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder how to stop this insanity that appers in the world -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In simplistic terms, it would be simple for everyone to just drop their guns and not shoot. Human nature is not inclined to follow that Perhaps becours you cant feel safe while you have countryes like USA,you´ll never know when they feel the need for a war,but your correct about dropping guns,perhaps USA should start.. QuoteWW3 was the Cold War. It lasted 50 years. We won. We didn't start this war on terror either. We will finish it. No thanks is necessary from our "friends" across the pond, as they wouldn't know how anyway. funny you think that were WW3,IT WASNT!!!,it were the cold war...Which USA and USSR started together,and no one won it as its only at sleep any way.. If the war against terro wasnt started by USA i dunno who started it.. sorry but USA stepped some toes big time thats why,that you acted correctly to go after Al Fuckers is correct dosnt mean that USA wasnt whith from the beginning.. Problem whith you guys are that you expect us to kiss your feets for helping arround,you forget when you get help..Were? i have freinds in both Mitrovica and Bagdad,but i guess USA forget they are the only out there.. Sorry but ask your own troops,they know we are there,so there your thanks goes... QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder when leaders start to look at the case from both sides -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most leaders do, but they base their decisions on what will benefit their side. Rightfully so. Perhaps some leaders should start concerning more about their own countryes than how they mean others should live.. QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder how many more has to die -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quite a few I'm afraid. so am i,thats what im against... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #59 March 24, 2004 This dude was a jerk-off and is hopefully meeting 72 ticked off Virginians enroute to Hell. Boortz' comments on WSJ's OpinionJournal were especially good today. Actually, Boortz' entire column was especially good today... Boortz: http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html OpinionJournal: http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110004856 Beers to all, Vinny the AnvilVinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #60 March 24, 2004 QuoteThis dude was a jerk-off and is hopefully meeting 72 ticked off Virginians enroute to Hell. ...but will probably still arrive there smiling, knowing he left behind a lot more than 72 seriously ticked-off followers who are now even more determined to carry out his plans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #61 March 24, 2004 Take the time to read this. You may not like the author or the website, but does it make his points any less valid? I'd like to hear what people think. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20040323.shtmlOh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #62 March 24, 2004 Must be spring on its way, but it seems that BBQ season already started....Bring on the beer too! "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bshl 0 #63 March 24, 2004 I understand attacks against the military and I think you could make a case that being targets is one of their occupational hazards. On the other hand, I never cease to be amazed that a group of people can promote indiscriminate bombings of innocent civilians (sometimes deliberately to sabotage peace talks) and then create an international protest against the "terrorists" who specifically target their leaders (who ordered the attacks) to try to prevent more of their civilians from being slaughtered. It's also interesting that people have a lot more to say about the Israel/Hamas/PLO issue being wrong than about Bush's going after Al Qaida. Aren't they fundamentally the same? Blue skies and happy landings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #64 March 24, 2004 QuoteSorry im on whith you guys on Al quaida(or what thouse fuckers are named), so chasing Bin-Laden and Al-Queida is ok, but hunting down Hamas leaders is not ok? excuse me, but how are they different besdie one targeting US/spain/turkey/bali/ and also Israel and the other targeting (for now) only Israel? they both target civilians, they both wont hear of any other solution and both of them have been labeled "a terrorist organization" by most of the world. the only difference is the nationality of the victims, which makes your different views of them being a valid target in a very bad light... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
