Kennedy 0 #26 March 25, 2004 QuoteBullshit I'll take that to mean you don't believe me that it is a regular custom of many "civilizations" from africa to the middle east to south east asia. It happens. Deal with it.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #27 March 25, 2004 QuoteThere is nothing in Islam saying that a woman should be piersed or mutilated. Yes in some cultures they practice so called female circumsision but that has nothing to do with Islam. Nice edit. Common courtesy is pointing it out as such unless it's grammar or spelling. Many of them claim to live by Islamic law and say it is required for the women to be "good" women. Many muslims would look on this in horror just as many christians can't stomach the christian coalition. That doesn't change the fact that the religion is used as the reason.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #28 March 25, 2004 So peircing will become yet another thing thats illegal in the list of sexual crimes in the US. I'm against FGM but piercing?? These sexual acts are illegal in the fllowing states. Alabama Oral sex of any kind. Anal sex of any kind. Arkansas Homosexual sex Oral or Anal Arizona Oral sex of any kind. Anal sex of any kind. Florida Cohabitation (living together as a couple, unmarried) Any kind of anal sex Any kind of oral sex VIsible erection (even if clothed) Georgia Any form of Anal sex Any form of oral sex Unmarried sex visible erection (even if clothed) Adultery Idaho Any kind of Oral sex Any kind of Anal sex Unmarried sex Cohabitation Illinois Adultery Indiana Visible erection (even if clothed) Kansas Any kind of Oral sex Any kind of Anal sex Adultery Louisiana Any kind of Oral sex Any kind of Anal sex Maryland Anal or Oral homosexual sex Massachusetts Adultery Any form of Anal sex Any form of Oral sex Unmarried sex Visible erection (even if clothed) Michigan Cohabitation Adultery Minnesota Adultery Any form of Oral sex Any form of Anal sex Visible erection (Even if clothed) Unmarried sex Missouri Any form of homosexual sex Montana Any form of homosexual sex Nebraska Adultery Visible erection (even if clothed) Nevada Any form of homosexual sex New hampshire Adultery New Mexico Cohabitation New York Visible erection (even if clothed) Adultery North Carolina Adultery Unmarried sex any form of Oral sex Any form of Anal sex Cohabitation North Dakota Adultery Ohio Visible erection (even if clothed) Oklahoma Adultery Any form of Anal sex Any form of Oral sex Visible erection (even clothed) Oregon Any form of Oral sex Visible erection (even clothed) Rhode Island Any form of Oral sex Any form of Anal sex Unmarried sex South Carolina Adultery Any form of Anal sex Any form of Oral sex Unmarried sex South Dakota Visible erection(even clothed) Tennessee Adultery Any form of homosexual sex Visible erection (even if clothed) Texas Any form of homosexual sex Utah Adultery Any form of Anal sex Any form of Oral sex Visible erection (even if clothed) Unmarried sex Vermont Visible erection (even if clothed) Washington DC Any form of Oral sex Any form of Anal sex Visible erection West Virginia Adultery Wisconsin Adultery Visible erection (Even if clothed) Not to mention that in most states sex between cousins is illegal. Gee, glad I live in a free country!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #29 March 25, 2004 So.. if I go to an ob/gyn in Georgia, is she required by law to report me? *note to self- Don't get knocked up in Georgia. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #30 March 25, 2004 There is nothing in the Koran or the Hadith about such a requirement, therefore this is strictly a cultral crime against women. It is also carried out by Christians in these regions as well as amongst Muslim populations. I know because I deal with the aftermath of FMG as part of my work.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base311 0 #31 March 25, 2004 Well after review of the video it appears that the amendment that was offered to include "piercing" received no objection and the amendment was adopted without a vote. The amendment offered by Rep. Heath (Who, incidentally, is the republican who ousted former long-time Democratic House Speaker Tom Murphy in the last election) was prepared and on everyone's desk. Apparently nobody had read it. All is not lost. Without question, the Senate will disagree to the House amendment when the bill goes back over to that side of the hall. A committee of conference will be appointed and that committee of conference will iron out the details. So no worries. Not sure what Representative Heath's motives were, but I imagine he now wishes he hadn't done such a thing as the local media has been hammering him all day long. It could have been to get the media attention (though I can't imagine a worse way of going about it). If you're interested in seeing/hearing the legislative proceedings, click this link and then click the March 24 link to load the archived proceedings. Senate Bill 418 is taken up at 1:26:00 on the timecode. Fast forward to that point to avoid the other proceedings. Did you know it's a felony in Georgia to sell a vidalia onion if it was not grown in the vidalia onion production area? to wit: 2-14-134. Violations; criminal penalties. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or offer for sale either inside or outside this state any onions as Vidalia onions unless such onions are of the Vidalia onion variety and were grown in the Vidalia onion production area. (b) It shall be unlawful for any person to package, label, identify, or classify any onions for sale inside or outside this state as Vidalia onions or to use the term "Vidalia" in connection with the labeling, packaging, classifying, or identifying of onions for sale inside or outside this state unless such onions are of the Vidalia onion variety and were grown in the Vidalia onion production area. (c) Any person who violates subsection (a) or (b) of this Code section shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000.00 nor more than $5,000.00 or by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years, or both. (d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell onions in a manner which does not comply with the rules or regulations established by the Commissioner under authority of Code Section 2-14-133. History (Code 1981, § 2-14-134, enacted by Ga. L. 1986, p. 3, § 1.) ------ Enjoy! Gardner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #32 March 25, 2004 Quote Did you know it's a felony in Georgia to sell a vidalia onion if it was not grown in the vidalia onion production area? That makes sense. You can't say an onion is a vidalia onion if it wasn't grown in vidalia. That's what makes it a vidalia onion. Same thing with champagne and tequila. You can make and sell sparkling water, or mezcal, but you can't call it champagne or tequila unless the plants were grown in specific regions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,092 #33 March 25, 2004 >What the hell kind of religion would that be? Keep in mind that we have a religion that advocates cutting the ends off baby boy's penises. I know, I know, "everyone does it" and all that, but it's more bizarre (objectively) than a genital piercing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #34 March 25, 2004 I used to do demonstration jumps into the Vidalia Onion Festival/Airshow. We used to jump all day and, at the end, we would get 50lbs of onions to take home. How great is that!!! 'playing my banjo again' Ba na na...na na...na na...na na! Ok...I'm done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #35 March 25, 2004 OMG! I really can't believe that! That's crazy! So if you get head in some states you can get sent down for it? Whoa. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #36 March 25, 2004 what about the giver? but seriously... has there ever really been and arrest/conviction for any of those offenses that werent in a public setting, where consentual, hetero sex would be against the law?Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #37 March 25, 2004 QuoteKeep in mind that we have a religion that advocates cutting the ends off baby boy's penises. I know, I know, "everyone does it" and all that, but it's more bizarre (objectively) than a genital piercing. I don't believe that the comparison with circumcision is a fair one. Circumcision does not render the male incapable of enjoying sex. In fact, it may enhance the experience. And it's done for purposes of hygiene. Yeah, I know that is arguable, but it's good reasoning. On the other hand, I can't think of a single good reason for removing a woman's clitoris. I can't even understand why men would *not* want their wives to enjoy sexual pleasure with them... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,092 #38 March 26, 2004 >I don't believe that the comparison with circumcision is a fair one. >Circumcision does not render the male incapable of enjoying sex. In > fact, it may enhance the experience. Removing most of the nerve endings in someone's genitals enhances the experience? Perhaps, but that's still a pretty hard sell. >On the other hand, I can't think of a single good reason for >removing a woman's clitoris. Neither can I, but then, I don't have one. Women do sometimes have their labia reduced/removed for hygeine reasons. And if there were an operation to remove the clitoral hood because someone's religion said so, you'd have a procedure very similar to circumcision. And should women be allowed to do this to themselves? Why not? I'd be against any such operation that was done against their will, but I'd also be against a law that said "no woman may have such an operation performed on herself." >I can't even understand why men would *not* want their wives to >enjoy sexual pleasure with them... Are you assuming that the operation is always performed at the direction of husbands against their wife's wishes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CapWeathersby 0 #39 March 26, 2004 Kennedy is right. I don't think the law is being presented b/c of female genital piercing...it's to stop the removal of the clit. Many cultures carry on these traditions, even in the US. Most people people that perform this ritual use doctors who are from the same cultural up bringing, and most of the girls that are having this procedure performed on them are to young to stand up for themselves or the home they are brought up in is very strict in their cultural up bringing. There's plenty of evidence in court cases which have been tried in the US. I do; however, feel like they shouldn't bring up the piercing part.________________________________ "Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #40 March 26, 2004 The bill eventually passed 160-0, with no debate. Ridiculous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base311 0 #41 March 26, 2004 yes... but a felony? Come on. And the vote was actually 168-0, btw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #42 March 26, 2004 I have no words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #43 March 26, 2004 QuoteAre you assuming that the operation is always performed at the direction of husbands against their wife's wishes? No, it is my understanding that this ritual is performed by religious or tribal leaders, upon young girls as they come of age. I saw a show on it on TV once, where it was done with a crude piece of broken glass. So they don't have husbands yet at that point. But all the men of the tribe know that the young girls will grow up to have husbands some day, and I would think that for the sake of their future adult members, they would oppose this practice. They also have mothers and fathers, who I think should object. What would happen if the parents stood up and said; "No! You're not doing that to my daughter!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
