$6,000 Fine for Possession of Ashtray

[JohnRich 4]

In the news:

NYC busts shop owner for ashtray

"A business owner who left an ashtray sitting out in his shop has been fined $6,000 by New York City's health inspector, who was enforcing the city's tough, new anti-smoking law. Brooklyn video-store owner Marty Arno also was charged with not having "No Smoking" signs and not posting his company's official nonsmoking policy, the New York Post reported..."

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[rehmwa 2]

Jeez John - why don't you just post a link to tongue tied and be done with it?

http://www.tonguetied.us/

or are you just bucking for the 1,000,000th post?

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[JohnRich 4]

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Jeez John - why don't you just post a link to tongue tied and be done with it? http://www.tonguetied.us/
or are you just bucking for the 1,000,000th post?

Cool web site. Thanks for the reference.

Where do you see the message numbers?

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

wow, you are right. all of your posts have me convinced that america is evil. can i catch the same flight you are leaving on?

and here i thought i loved to buck the system. you take the hat john

[pushing jr's buttons] i still think the nra is wrong on everything they talk about [/pushing jr's buttons]

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[stuffit 0]

Why dont cops give tickets to people that smoke on the street without using an ashtray? It techinically is littering (without including the fact that most of these fucks throw their butts on the sidewalk, street, golf course, or wherever else they happen to be).

[JohnRich 4]

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Why dont cops give tickets to people that smoke on the street without using an ashtray?

The anti-smoking folks are expanding their horizons:

"Ten years after California set a national precedent by banning smoking in restaurants and bars - and months after prohibiting it within feet of government buildings and playgrounds - many of the state's coastal cities are now banning smoking at the beach. Health and environmental officials say the moves are a logical extension of smoking bans in other public places and are necessary to meet state and federal antipollution requirement."

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[stuffit 0]

Well if I can get a ticket for throwing a candy wrapper on the street (not that I have), why shouldnt people be given tickets for spreading their ashes around?

[Kennedy 0]

If they really wanted to combat health issues in America they would be targetting fast food, not cigarettes. I guess they spent all that money demonizing tobacco, they couldn't let it go to waste and worry about something important. It comes down to them making decisions for you.

"Cigarettes are bad. Fast food will kill you, but we say that's ok."

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[stuffit 0]

I wouldnt say that it is necessarily fast food as much as it is the fact that the majority of the people in this country are too lazy to get off their asses and do enough exercise to keep themselves healthy. I dont think that diet is nearly as important as exercise (of course extremely shitty diets are not included).

That being said, no amount of exercise is going to help if you are constantly smoking cigarettes.

[Kennedy 0]

I completely disagree. With a proper diet you don't need constant rigorous exercise to remain fit. The more nastiness you eat the harder it is to keep your body healthy. Unless you are going to say everyone in the US is on "extremely shitty diets" I think you just haven't read enough to scare you straight.

Far more people die of food related illnesses than of cigarettes. And the numbers for cigarettes are so much crap. If a 90 year old dies of cigarette related causes, was his life really cut short?

If smoking was as deadly as they claim, you wouldn't see old people with smokers' coughs. My great aunt smoked until she was 75. She sounded like hell, but was healthy and active until an accident took her.

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[happythoughts 0]

When my grandmother was 70 years old, she started walking 3 miles a day. Of course, we have no idea where she is now.

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If smoking was as deadly as they claim, you wouldn't see old people with smokers' coughs. My great aunt smoked until she was 75. She sounded like hell, but was healthy and active until an accident

I know a few people who have the theory that cardiovascular exercise combats the negative effects of smoking. One is in his 50's and smokes several packs a week as well as drinks like a fish. But he has no "smoker's cough" and he is very physically fit. He also runs 5 miles a day and works out.

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When my grandmother was 70 years old, she started walking 3 miles a day. Of course, we have no idea where she is now.

HAHAHAHA!!!!!

Everyone should read Fast Food Nation before going into another fast food restaurant...

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[JohnRich 4]

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Well if I can get a ticket for throwing a candy wrapper on the street (not that I have), why shouldnt people be given tickets for spreading their ashes around?

Ashes disappear within seconds, and biodegrade. Candy wrappers probably last for, oh, about 1,000 years. Cigarette butts would be a better analogy, and I wouldn't have a problem with smokers being ticketed for littering for throwing their butts on the ground.

The thing that gets me is that they often do this, even though an ashtray is available.

[gremlin 0]

If companies want to go non smoking let them, if they don't then let them. You do not have to visit or work in a smokey enviroment, you have the choice. If people want to smoke in the open air of a beach let them - just get rid of the fat people who stop the tide from coming in

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If they really wanted to combat health issues in America they would be targetting fast food, not cigarettes. I guess they spent all that money demonizing tobacco, they couldn't let it go to waste and worry about something important. It comes down to them making decisions for you.

"Cigarettes are bad. Fast food will kill you, but we say that's ok."

i just got in from work and was listening to 1010 am for traffic , new jersey woman awarded 1.5 million for an eating disorder "caused by her high school coach" because he told her she could lose 10 pounds.

this ranks up there with the "im fat cause i ate " lawsuits.

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If companies want to go non smoking let them, if they don't then let them. You do not have to visit or work in a smokey enviroment, you have the choice.

That's what I'm in favor of. But what New York City has done is to take away this freedom of choice from businessmen. They've dictated that everyone will be smoke-free, period, under penalty of law. That removes freedom of choice.

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

And what about my health rights? I don't take this lightly. I have had Pneumonia 13 times in my life, I tend to get a flare up of Bronchitis almost every year, I get a lung infection almost twice a year outside of that and if I am around smoking for too long I am coughing, hacking and wheezing for days....and it took me YEARS to figure out that it was smoke that did this to me. I grew up in a house that had two smokers in it and it wasn't until I was in a full-time smoke free environment that my lungs started to make a rebound and I haven't had a major lung issue since.

Think of the other side of this issue as well. I don't have much of a choice when someone lights up and decides they are too good for the "no-smoking" policy. It happens all the times - most, but not all, smokers are ignorant when it comes to other's perople wishes for a smoke free environment. I'm quite alright with the "law" enforcing rules that protect my health.

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And what about my health rights?... I'm quite alright with the "law" enforcing rules that protect my health.

Businessmen should be allowed to smoke in thier own places of business if they wish, and allow their customers to do so. The government should not dictate this.

Perhaps it could be mandated that a sign must be posted on the front door to warn patrons of the smoking status of the estrablishment.

Then patrons can choose which establishments they want to patronize, depending upon their own preferences.

I think that is the fair way to do it for everyone.

You shouldn't have an absolute right to tell someone else they can't smoke. And a smoker shouldn't have the absolute right to smoke where they want and make you sick.

Doesn't this seem like a reasonable compromise, that respects the rights of both sides of this issue?

We had a similar thing here in Texas when the concealed handgun law was passed. Many businesses put up signs forbidding carry of guns inside their buildings. Gun owners just spent their money elsewhere, where they weren't outcast. People who don't like guns could specifically choose to go where they felt safe. Everyone had the free choice to decide for themselves what to do. Businessmen and patrons.

[stuffit 0]

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If people want to smoke in the open air of a beach let them - just get rid of the fat people who stop the tide from coming in

I want to kill people when I see them smoking at the beach, especially when they leave their butts there. Why do you have to do such an annoying, disgusting thing in such a nice place (unless it is some crappy east coast beach).

[lister55 0]

A business owner who left an ashtray sitting out in his shop has been fined $6,000 by New York City's health inspector

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This is a "fair" amount. I mean common, the cigg companies had to pay millions..... so why not punish small business owners to the "full extent of the law".

Yet another example of ridiculus government.

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[Kennedy 0]

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I want to kill people when I see them smoking at the beach, especially when they leave their butts there. Why do you have to do such an annoying, disgusting thing in such a nice place (unless it is some crappy east coast beach).

Last time an anti gun control person said "I want to kill..." he was jumped on by all sides. I realize you're exaggerating, but I wanted to prepare you for the flames.

I see nothing wrong with smoking at the beach, however it is wrong not to clean up after yourself. I do have to say though, that schmucks leaving all their trash a glass on the beech is far worse the cigarette butts.

ps - piss off! I love my east coast beaches! plus I can enjoy them without the idiotic laws of California

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[Jimbo 0]

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And what about my health rights? I don't take this lightly.

You're kidding, right?

If you know that a restaurant, bar, business, private home, etc... allows smoking, then don't go there. What's wrong with that approach?

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[stuffit 0]

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Last time an anti gun control person said "I want to kill..." he was jumped on by all sides. I realize you're exaggerating, but I wanted to prepare you for the flames

Why do you assume I am an "anti gun control person"? I dont own a gun and never have and couldnt care less about all these bullshit gun arguments.


P.s. Yeah, california beach laws do suck sometimes.