billvon 3,118 #26 March 26, 2004 >If you know that a restaurant, bar, business, private home, etc... > allows smoking, then don't go there. What's wrong with that approach? That would work in a sole propietorship, a business owned and operated by one person. Once you require an employee to work in an area, you have more of an obligation to make sure that the area does not contain hazards. Employee rights typically are protected more strongly than customer rights, because the employee can't "just leave." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
favaks 0 #27 March 26, 2004 Quote I see nothing wrong with smoking at the beach When I am on the beach, I don't want to smell people's cigarette smoke. favaks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #28 March 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteLast time an anti gun control person said "I want to kill..." he was jumped on by all sides. I realize you're exaggerating, but I wanted to prepare you for the flames Why do you assume I am an "anti gun control person"? I dont own a gun and never have and couldnt care less about all these bullshit gun arguments. P.s. Yeah, california beach laws do suck sometimes. He didn't assume that you were anti-gun control. You missed the point. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #29 March 26, 2004 Quote QuoteAnd what about my health rights? I don't take this lightly. You're kidding, right? If you know that a restaurant, bar, business, private home, etc... allows smoking, then don't go there. What's wrong with that approach? - Jim You are kidding, right? In IL there is ONE town that has outlawed smoking in all public places - and I am never in that town. Outside of that, almost every restaurant and bar in 100 miles of where I live allows smoking. And do you really think smoking areas keep the smoke in their area? Then there are the people that smoke in "no-smoking" areas....what am I supposed to do about that? I even had one person light up a cigarette in my car after I told him that no one ever smokes in my car. At one job it was illegal to smoke in the office building downtown - the owner of the company was a smoker and allowed everyone to smoke in the break room.....a room that had no door on it, in an office that had no filtration unit....I told HR and they just shrugged it off. Luckily I wasn't at that job long. If I can, I do avoid it as much as possible Jimbo - it just isn't as easy as you make it out. Hey, I don't really care if you want to kill yourself and widen the chance of getting cancer. Smoke your ass off....just don't do it around me._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #30 March 26, 2004 QuoteHey, I don't really care if you want to kill yourself and widen the chance of getting cancer. Smoke your ass off....just don't do it around me. With the exception of work, I don't understand why you have any problem avoiding smoke. If you know that a particular establishment tolerates smoking, don't go there. As far as someone lighting up in your car, especially after you had told them not to, well, that's a load crap. Shouldda kicked his ass. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #31 March 26, 2004 Quote QuoteHey, I don't really care if you want to kill yourself and widen the chance of getting cancer. Smoke your ass off....just don't do it around me. With the exception of work, I don't understand why you have any problem avoiding smoke. If you know that a particular establishment tolerates smoking, don't go there. Esentially that rules out the majority of restaurants, bars, etc in Chicago. Wow. that is fair for me and others like me. FWIW - I am the type that doesn't bitch about it. I deal with it, eat my food, have a few beers, etc.... Quote As far as someone lighting up in your car, especially after you had told them not to, well, that's a load crap. Shouldda kicked his ass. Who says I didn't? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #32 March 26, 2004 QuoteEsentially that rules out the majority of restaurants, bars, etc in Chicago. Wow. that is fair for me and others like me. But you admit though that there are bars and restaurants in Chicago that are smoke free, right? As far as "fair" is concerned, you started off this discussion talking about rights, not fair. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #33 March 26, 2004 Quote QuoteEsentially that rules out the majority of restaurants, bars, etc in Chicago. Wow. that is fair for me and others like me. But you admit though that there are bars and restaurants in Chicago that are smoke free, right? As far as "fair" is concerned, you started off this discussion talking about rights, not fair. - Jim So who's rights are right? A right to smoke or a right to healthy lungs._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #34 March 26, 2004 QuoteSo who's rights are right? A right to smoke or a right to healthy lungs. This discussion goes beyond the right to smoke, or the right to be smoke free. This discussion, I believe, is about a business owners right to run his business in a way that he sees fit. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #35 March 26, 2004 >This discussion, I believe, is about a business owners right to run his > business in a way that he sees fit. They are free to do a lot of things, but they are not free to risk the lives or health of their employees for profit. There has been too much abuse of the worker-boss relationship over the decades to say "if they don't like it they can quit." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #36 March 26, 2004 how about telling when they apply for the job this is a smoking enviornment. Then it's left up to them. I personally don't patronize any restaurants or bars in Ca. because I can't smoke. What wrong w/leaving it up to the owner to have a smoking section and leave it up to the customers and prospective employees to decide like I do.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #37 March 26, 2004 QuoteWhen I am on the beach, I don't want to smell people's cigarette smoke. Move your blanket up-wind. You have to accept that if you are that sensitive about cigarette smoke, that you're going to be inconvenienced now and then. Most people aren't that picky. It will be easier to just move your blanket, than to try and get everyone else to comply with your wishes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
favaks 0 #38 March 26, 2004 QuoteMove your blanket up-wind. Sure, I'll move upwind and start a bond fire that's gonna choke the smoker. He's just gonna have to move upwind of my fire. favaks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gremlin 0 #39 March 26, 2004 Quote There has been too much abuse of the worker-boss relationship over the decades to say "if they don't like it they can quit." The danger with too much legislation is that you might end up making the employee quit anyway if the business is forced to close because it is no longer profitable. New York saw a large business downturn when it banned smoking. If employees who smoke want to work in smokey enviroments then they should be allowed to.I'm drunk, you're drunk, lets go back to mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
