kallend 2,117 #26 December 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuoteA local newspaper columnist recently said that other nations are free without possessing firearms. He fails to see the obvious fact that people who are not free to own firearms are not free. Many people live their entire lives and never know a day of real freedom. And, while I'm sure that there are those who would choose to live without freedom, there are some of us who would rather die free than live enslaved. I like building large model rockets. In the panic reaction over 9/11 large model rocket motors have become essentially unavailable (somewhat harder to obtain than a handgun, for example). Is a person who is not free to possess a large model rocket really free? I like building R/C model aircraft. Since 9/11 it has become illegal to put a GPS into a model aircraft. Is a person who is not free to possess a GPS in a model aircraft really free? Some people like smoking pot in the privacy of their home (I am not one of them). This is illegal. Is someone who is not free to possess pot really free? I could continue. The essential point is that the USA is far from being a free society in many respects. You are brainwashed from childhood into thinking you live in a free country, but in fact it is highly restrictive. Citizens of the Netherlands enjoy many freedoms that we don't. We enjoy one that they don't - easy legal gun ownership. You seem to be happy with the chains. I, personally, am not. Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. I think the freedoms in the USA are restricted in far more ways than by some gun laws that are generally admitted by both sides of the gun debate to be ineffective. And I am not at all happy about it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #27 December 13, 2003 QuoteDoes that smell like cordite, sulfur, and other fun substances? Other fun substances!..........LOL _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #28 December 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuoteGun owners respect that - we feel that everyone should have the freedom to make that choice for themselves. We don't want to force people to own a gun if they don't want one. KENNESAW! So tell us Kallend, what penalty does a citizen of Kennesaw, GA suffer for failure to comply? What relevance does that have to the falsity of this statement: We don't want to force people to own a gun if they don't want one. Kennesaw's ordinance shows that some people do want to mandate gun ownership.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #29 December 13, 2003 QuoteKennesaw's ordinance shows that some people do want to mandate gun ownership. NO......Nobody made them move within the city limits!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #30 December 13, 2003 QuoteWhat relevance does that have to the falsity of this statement: We don't want to force people to own a gun if they don't want one. Kennesaw's ordinance shows that some people do want to mandate gun ownership. previous post Try reading the posts. This is a show law. They passed it to make a point. There is no mandate. They provided enough outs that no one is required to own a firearm if they don't want to.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #31 December 13, 2003 Kallend, I couldn't agree more with you. It's just most people can't see society, and the world in general, for what it really is. You are free to do what your government tells you to do. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #32 December 13, 2003 Whaaaaa. You want some cheese for your whine? If life is so bad do something about it. Complaining never accomplished much of anything.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #33 December 13, 2003 Actually I have a very optimistic outlook on life, thanks, it's just a shame that one can't have that same outlook on the world and moronic society that we live in. Life is just a ride. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #34 December 13, 2003 QuoteFunny how no anti-gunners have popped in to say hello... Ok, I'll chime in here... fist let me say that I'm not anti gun per se. I own several air guns myself (about as much as you can in the UK) and enjoy hunting with them. What does REALLY piss me off is that it's so easy to get them. Even though the laws over here are changing to make it harder there's still no qualification to buy an air gun. Pay your cash, get a rifle and plink at pedestrians. This has happened to me several times . This is why people in the UK are scared of guns, cos the minority get them and act like dicks. Sorry. rant over, but recently the farmer round my way won't let me hunt on his land anymore 'cos of negative publicity Have fun, but be safe. Don't fuck it up for everyone else. Will Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainpooby 0 #35 December 13, 2003 QuoteDoes that smell like cordite, sulfur, and other fun substances? I like to take non shooters out to the range. Teach them a little about guns and let them have a blast!(pun intended) Its especially fun taking the folks from across the pond who arent allowed to have guns. Last year at the DZ I ran a "Chute and Shoot" competition and intoduced a number of non-shooters to guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #36 December 13, 2003 QuoteKallend, I couldn't agree more with you. It's just most people can't see society, and the world in general, for what it really is. You are free to do what your government tells you to do. QuoteActually I have a very optimistic outlook on life, thanks, it's just a shame that one can't have that same outlook on the world and moronic society that we live in. So you have a good outlook on life, just not the things that you claim control your life? OK, rephrase: If the world and society are so bad do something about it. Complaining never accomplished much of anything.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #37 December 13, 2003 QuoteI own several air guns myself (about as much as you can in the UK) and enjoy hunting with them. What does REALLY piss me off is that it's so easy to get them. Even though the laws over here are changing to make it harder there's still no qualification to buy an air gun. Pay your cash, get a rifle and plink at pedestrians. This has happened to me several times . This is why people in the UK are scared of guns, cos the minority get them and act like dicks. What do you hunt with your airguns? You want qualifications to buy airguns? You consider an airgun a rifle? You are not happy with firearms being unavailable (legally) but you want more restrictions on airguns? I not sure I understand your position. Shooting at someone with an airgun is not "being a dick," it is assault. Too bad UK police have publicly stated they are not going to investigate crimes that are not easily sovled, or you might have recourse for being assaulted. Personally, I'd be less concerned with availability of airguns to all than availability of firearms to criminals.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #38 December 13, 2003 QuoteIn the panic reaction over 9/11 large model rocket motors have become essentially unavailable (somewhat harder to obtain than a handgun, for example). Is a person who is not free to possess a large model rocket really free? That's odd. A hobby shop not twenty minutes from this house has a selection of model rocket motors on the shelves, right between the exacto (sp?) blades and their tiny paint supplies. Does the modifier "large" affect what you're saying? QuoteI like building R/C model aircraft. Since 9/11 it has become illegal to put a GPS into a model aircraft. Is a person who is not free to possess a GPS in a model aircraft really free? No judgment, just wondering; why would you want to put a GPS on a model plane? QuoteSome people like smoking pot in the privacy of their home (I am not one of them). This is illegal. Is someone who is not free to possess pot really free? I could continue. The essential point is that the USA is far from being a free society in many respects. Now you've gone into ridiculousness. Anything short of pure anarchy could be argued as not being free. Do you want that?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #39 December 13, 2003 Part II QuoteThis is why people in the UK are scared of guns, cos the minority get them and act like dicks. Sorry. rant over, but recently the farmer round my way won't let me hunt on his land anymore 'cos of negative publicity I've long had a theory that the tighter a government closes its fist, the more people it forces into the fringes. The farmer will suffer the affects on his land. Some people will stand up and some don't care enough. Such is life. Hunting is held in high esteem by many in the UK. A gentleman's activity, and one involving conservation and care for the land. The Queen Mum herself is a fan.' QuoteHave fun, but be safe. Don't fuck it up for everyone else. Here, here!!witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #40 December 13, 2003 You know what, that's a great idea! Hold that thought while I go and solve the worlds problems. Man I wish I had thought of that. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #41 December 13, 2003 >Does the modifier "large" affect what you're saying? Yep. The tiny little things they sell in the stores are not worth having if you are serious about rockets. The stores usually only have engines going to D's and if you are really lucky they might have E's. You can no longer purchase the engines like P's O's and other similar rockets. The TSA has made it illegal to transport rocket engines above a few grams and were trying to eliminate them completely in all sizes. I've built rockets holding things up to G's and if I had'nt got into jumping I probally would have got into rocketery. I always wanted to build something that was in the N range... 0-5000 feet in a few seconds. Trying to calculate exactly where it will land with the wind forcast, designing alternitive recovery systems... >No judgment, just wondering; why would you want to put a GPS on a model plane? One of the current directions RC planes are going is automated. Basically designing Autopilots for RC craft. They usually hold contests that see who can get their plane to fly from X to Y with out outside controls. I seem to recall some one just flew a RC plane across I think the Atlantic with out any manual control.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #42 December 13, 2003 QuotePart II The Queen Mum herself is a fan.' I think not, she's dead. www.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,8542,681346,00.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #43 December 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteIn the panic reaction over 9/11 large model rocket motors have become essentially unavailable (somewhat harder to obtain than a handgun, for example). Is a person who is not free to possess a large model rocket really free? That's odd. A hobby shop not twenty minutes from this house has a selection of model rocket motors on the shelves, right between the exacto (sp?) blades and their tiny paint supplies. Does the modifier "large" affect what you're saying? Quote Motors G33 and larger now require an explosive users permit from the BATFE. That involves a FBI background check, interview, approved storage magazine, etc. A G33 contains less than 2.5 ounces of propellant that cannot be made to explode even if you use a blasting cap. QuoteI like building R/C model aircraft. Since 9/11 it has become illegal to put a GPS into a model aircraft. Is a person who is not free to possess a GPS in a model aircraft really free? No judgment, just wondering; why would you want to put a GPS on a model plane? Autonomous models are (were) a new challenge. QuoteSome people like smoking pot in the privacy of their home (I am not one of them). This is illegal. Is someone who is not free to possess pot really free? I could continue. The essential point is that the USA is far from being a free society in many respects. Now you've gone into ridiculousness. Anything short of pure anarchy could be argued as not being free. Do you want that? Is "Land of the Partly Free and the Home of the Once-upon-a-Time Brave" ok with you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #44 December 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhat are YOU doing about safety? I pull. Good answer, WrongWay! It's gettin' a lil' hot in here...let's go find a fun place... Oh, just so as not to be labeled a PW, I've been shooting since I was 5. I own a few guns too; never had to use 'em in a violent way, but to protect my family, I would.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #45 December 14, 2003 QuoteQuoteHunting is held in high esteem by many in the UK. A gentleman's activity, and one involving conservation and care for the land. The Queen Mum herself is a fan.' I think not, she's dead. Sorry, I meant HM Queen Elizabeth. Though I think it a possibility that the Queen Mum was, as well.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #46 December 14, 2003 Quote...require an explosive users permit from the BATFE. That involves a FBI background check, interview, approved storage magazine, etc. So one hobby involves potentially dangerous tools and substances, and the other tools that could potentially be used to harm a large number of people. And the government wants to regulate it. Where have I heard THAT story before? Sounds remarkably similar to what so many people want to put me through to own a firearm. You still want the government to have the power to mess with a person's hobby? QuoteIs "Land of the Partly Free and the Home of the Once-upon-a-Time Brave" ok with you? That's what I've been saying.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #47 December 14, 2003 Quote>No judgment, just wondering; why would you want to put a GPS on a model plane? One of the current directions RC planes are going is automated. Basically designing Autopilots for RC craft. They usually hold contests that see who can get their plane to fly from X to Y with out outside controls. I seem to recall some one just flew a RC plane across I think the Atlantic with out any manual control. ---------------- But, won't someone please think of the children. Somebody could strap a square inch of explosives to one of those and level a city block and hurt all those children. WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!? ---------------- You see what I've been dealing with for as long as I can remember? Sucks, doesn't it.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #48 February 16, 2004 America is one scary place. Glad i dont live there. I'm also glad i dont hear this crap about guns all the time. Coming to ya from the country with one of the lowest gun deaths going! you know why? not many ppl have one. Laterz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #49 February 16, 2004 Quote America is one scary place. Oh yes...very scary. Especially Montana. Don't EVER go there. Everyone has guns! JACKASS........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lainey 0 #50 February 16, 2004 it is getting worse though... or actually i should say it appears to be getting worse (beacuse we all know how much the media play with our minds). I have pretty much the same opinion as you but i am the first to admit i have never lived anywhere else (holidayed but never lived), i base my opinion on the limited knowledge i have of countries like the US and their stance on guns so i'm no expert. what part of Australia are you from? EDIT: ok sydney, says it in your profile And you shed not a single tear for the things that you didn't need 'Cause you knew you were finally free - Death Cab For Cutie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
