pajarito 0 #51 March 25, 2004 US Citizen (many states including Puerto Rico) England, Spain, Germany, Turkey, Kosovo, Macedonia, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Mexico, Panama, Honduras, Suriname, Haiti Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #52 March 25, 2004 Crap...I forgot Canada. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingEggplant 0 #53 March 25, 2004 I'm from Canada. Have been to Australia New Zealand Cook Islands England France Switzerland Austria (okay, so it was only for 4 hours ) Italy Germany The Netherlands USA Mexico Malaysia Thailand Singapore Taiwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #54 March 25, 2004 Quote Would you say that going to all the US states would make you as well traveled as a European claiming to have visited many countries? this surely is a very interesting point of view, especially for foreigners. BTW: a discussion based on that must be a fine reason for gathering friends for a weekend, together with Italien wine, Belgian chocolate, cheese from NL oder Switzerland, German beer .... not to forget Hamburgers... (this only is the funny side) seriously, i think travelling across the US shows not even half of the differences to be discovered while crossing the boarders of most European countries. but, this was not the original question of this thread. nevertheless, your a.m. question made me think... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #55 March 25, 2004 Mexico,Belize,Honduras,Multiple Caribbean Islands,Canada,Irish republic,N.Ireland,Wales Scotland France England Italy.Would like to return to Italy Wales and both Irelands and Scotland.Hopefully will be wreck diving off of Ireland in about a year or soMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #56 March 25, 2004 that would be a tough call. The US has many different cultures, simply by the fact that its so large. It also has very diverse landscapes. I haven't visited most of Europe, so I don't know how different the countries and cultures are from each other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 March 25, 2004 Quotea discussion based on that must be a fine reason for gathering friends for a weekend, together with Italien wine, Belgian chocolate, cheese from NL oder Switzerland, German beer .... not to forget Hamburgers... (this only is the funny side) Quote For discussions sake - A discussion based on this would also be fun over either Washington or California wine, Hershey chocolates, Wisconsin cheese and various microbrewery beers, working the conversations with people of all races, 4 or 5 major languages in addition to English in several distinct accents and dialects. For dinner, there's Philly cheesesteaks or good Cajun cooking, or southwest food or a big midwestern steak, Maine lobster maybe. The point is people from small countries tend to bunch up Americans into a one-size-fits-all stereotype (you see it all the time in these forums). I understand this as many countries are defined by the original specific cultures, so being from another country to them automatically means they have a different culture. But not true everywhere.I do think of travel as experiencing many cultures and there are as many cultures within the large geagraphic countries (US sure, also consider Canada, the old USSR, China, ...) as between a bunch of the small closely packed countries. I always get a kick out urban types that think they are so sophisticated because they've traveled Europe (but never left New York City or LA or whatever). I know Senior citizens from Des Moines that have experienced more diversity driving around the US and Canada and Mexica and they don't put on the pretensions. It's a good conversation and I suspect most people wouldn't take issue with it unless it's an ego blow to them. Stripes - "It's Czeckoslovadia, it's like Wisconsis, we just zip in and zip out." Edit: I wasn't necessarily talking Europe, but that's the typical example for small tightly packed countries. And I would love to travel Europe. It's second on my list after Oz and NZ. It would be hugely insightful (my family is from there - German, Swedish, Danish, French, most of the rest of the scandinavian countries in there) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Yoshi 0 #58 March 25, 2004 I am, what I call, a TRUE American. (A mut born in New York) been to: Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Holland, Spain, France, Dominican Republic, Canada. I think thats all of m... much more to come though_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #59 March 25, 2004 Quotebut, this was not the original question of this thread. Ah, but part of my reason for starting the thread was my curiosity about the notion that Americans are generally less well-traveled than Europeans. And what do most people consider "well-traveled?" If you have been to all 50 U.S States but have never been outside the U.S., are you less well-traveled than someone who has been to a couple of different countries? Is it mileage or exposure to vastly different cultures that makes a person "well-travelled?" Just food for thought. I have not been that many places yet: Mexico Greece Italy Singapore Australia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #60 March 25, 2004 I haven't left the US - yet. Lived within 2 hours of the US/Mexico border for a few years and got within 2 hours or so of the US/Canada border once but didn't cross either one A trip to Europe (long list of countries I want to visit/see) is on the "gonna do before I die" list, as are a trip to South America and a trip "down under." I have traveled within the US. In no particular order I've seen at least parts of the following states - Born and raised in California. Currently live in Florida Arizona Nevada New Mexico Texas Alabama Tennessee Kentucky Arkansas Mississippi Oklahoma Georgia Louisiana Utah Colorado Kansas Missouri Illinois Iowa Nebraska Wyoming Oregon Washington Maryland Washington DC Pennsylvania Virginia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #61 March 25, 2004 The 50 different states do have vastly different cultures. We need someone (unpretentious) who's done both. Unfortunately all my international travel has been in the orient (vastly different cultures, though between those nations). A lot of fun. It's less where you've been but more how you take the differences you see and make them a part of how you deal with people. Someone could be all over the world and also all over within a couple large nations and still not get it and expect everyone to think exactly as they do on subjective issues. Another person could be from Boston and then visit the Bayou and learn that some differences truly are fundamental but people are the same deep down. Some kid in New York could travel through all the buroughs and truly get to know people in every area and learn to make friends and deal in the different environments. Another person could visit all the countries of Europe over a summer and leave feeling like they are much superior to all these others. Of the four, who's better 'educated' as a result of their travels? who just moved around a lot? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #62 March 25, 2004 Just for rough info: I'm born in Germany, my father took his family over to Canada when i was 3 yrs. returned to Germany with 16 yrs. with 19 to GB, married over there. back to Germany for few years, another man (a foreigner, too), we left for Far East for about 10 years. (with breaks for returning back to Germany to raise up my son) so i enjoyed various "points of view" seeing the world or the US. this just BTW. anyhow, it's never q question of few hours to discover new countries. regarding the mentioned "one-size-fits-all" theory: probably, you are right on this point. but only by reading the American forums on this site, certain differences within the US and its states are to be seen. i was able to notice this several times. and: Maine lobster and California or Chile wine: woudl be a great idea for tonight over here in my small, tightly packed country dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #63 March 25, 2004 US citizen Have traveled to: Canada Bahamas Not nearly enough countries on my list (YET) and my passport is calling to me to use it. Was hoping to make it to the Herc boggie this year, but then we figured out what it'd cost us. Can't afford it this time around, but.... I've been to quite a few states in the US. Those include: Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Florida Georgia Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Nevada New Mexico New York North Carolina Ohio Oklahoma Rhode Island (born there) South Carolina Tennessee Texas WisconsinLife is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingILweenie 0 #64 March 25, 2004 The countries i've been to... US Chile (born there) Mexico Canada Spain Wisconsin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #65 March 25, 2004 Oh boy. Let's see if I can remember without my passports handy... Australia Austria Germany Belgium The Netherlands Switzerland Italy Kenya Tanzania Zimbabwe Namibia South Africa Mexico Brazil Argentina Paraguay Hong Kong SAR Hong Kong (pre-takeover) China South Korea Japan Thailand Malaysia Singapore Canada Belize Guatemala Bahrain Oman Saudi Arabia Work beckons....I think I skipped a few from Asia... Beers to all, Vinny the Anvil Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #66 March 25, 2004 QuoteThe countries i've been to... US Chile (born there) Mexico Canada Spain Wisconsin Hey...Wisconsin isn't it's own country. Texas is. Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #67 March 25, 2004 Quotenotion that Americans are generally less well-traveled than Europeans. who's idea is that? QuoteIf you have been to all 50 U.S States but have never been outside the U.S., are you less well-traveled than someone who has been to a couple of different countries? impossible to answer that question but, i would love to travel all states (only saw 3). depends on what you are doing on such a trip: just crossing the states, or living there for a certain time, meeting folks, talking to them, spend your time with them: this is pure discovery. and depends on one's own money. there is are tons to be considered in your thread. very good one. ] dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ian84 0 #68 March 25, 2004 I'm from Ireland. I've lived in England, The US, Bermuda, St. Lucia, Grenada and the Cayman Islands. I've been to France, Spain, Wales, Antigua, Trinidad, Barbados, Cuba, Martinique, Puerto Rico. Want to get to Italy, Oz, New Zeland and Canada. Hopefully before I'm 20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #69 March 25, 2004 small wishes for a guy in the age of my son.... go ahead and do it right: you will see all of them, probably their DZs too? good luck on that. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orchid 0 #70 March 25, 2004 I was borned in Vietnam, came to the States when I was 10...became a citizen and been here ever since. However I love to travel, mostly to Asia...some of the countries I've traveled to are: Asia Thailand Hong Kong China Singapore Indonesia Japan Mexico U.S. Hawaii Places I would not go back Singapore Indonesia ^_~"Love is doing small things with great love." Lacrosse: Legally beating men with sticks since 1492 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #71 March 25, 2004 From USA, been to: -Canada -Mexico -England -Scottland -Germany -Brazil -Barbados (forgot)<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrunkMonkey 0 #72 March 25, 2004 From the US. Been to Mexico and the Bahmas. Need to start collecting stamps in my passport. Who wants to go to Spain w/me? Going to Canada this year. Perhaps UK and Spain also. Oklahoma seems like a whole other country--does that count? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Daizey 0 #73 March 25, 2004 I've been to France (Paris and up towards the northern part and a town called Lille) and Belgium (I visited Brugge) I loved them both and would love to go back! *daizey* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites usedtajump 1 #74 March 25, 2004 Canada, Mexico, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Thailand, Vietnam, Japan, China, England, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Estonia, Russia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Morocco, Spanish Saraha. I'm from Dallas, TXThe older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jib 0 #75 March 25, 2004 From the US. Been to Bahamas, Costa Rica, UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Switzerland, France, Spain, Portugal, Monaco, Italy & Greece. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. 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Yoshi 0 #58 March 25, 2004 I am, what I call, a TRUE American. (A mut born in New York) been to: Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Holland, Spain, France, Dominican Republic, Canada. I think thats all of m... much more to come though_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #59 March 25, 2004 Quotebut, this was not the original question of this thread. Ah, but part of my reason for starting the thread was my curiosity about the notion that Americans are generally less well-traveled than Europeans. And what do most people consider "well-traveled?" If you have been to all 50 U.S States but have never been outside the U.S., are you less well-traveled than someone who has been to a couple of different countries? Is it mileage or exposure to vastly different cultures that makes a person "well-travelled?" Just food for thought. I have not been that many places yet: Mexico Greece Italy Singapore Australia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #60 March 25, 2004 I haven't left the US - yet. Lived within 2 hours of the US/Mexico border for a few years and got within 2 hours or so of the US/Canada border once but didn't cross either one A trip to Europe (long list of countries I want to visit/see) is on the "gonna do before I die" list, as are a trip to South America and a trip "down under." I have traveled within the US. In no particular order I've seen at least parts of the following states - Born and raised in California. Currently live in Florida Arizona Nevada New Mexico Texas Alabama Tennessee Kentucky Arkansas Mississippi Oklahoma Georgia Louisiana Utah Colorado Kansas Missouri Illinois Iowa Nebraska Wyoming Oregon Washington Maryland Washington DC Pennsylvania Virginia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #61 March 25, 2004 The 50 different states do have vastly different cultures. We need someone (unpretentious) who's done both. Unfortunately all my international travel has been in the orient (vastly different cultures, though between those nations). A lot of fun. It's less where you've been but more how you take the differences you see and make them a part of how you deal with people. Someone could be all over the world and also all over within a couple large nations and still not get it and expect everyone to think exactly as they do on subjective issues. Another person could be from Boston and then visit the Bayou and learn that some differences truly are fundamental but people are the same deep down. Some kid in New York could travel through all the buroughs and truly get to know people in every area and learn to make friends and deal in the different environments. Another person could visit all the countries of Europe over a summer and leave feeling like they are much superior to all these others. Of the four, who's better 'educated' as a result of their travels? who just moved around a lot? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #62 March 25, 2004 Just for rough info: I'm born in Germany, my father took his family over to Canada when i was 3 yrs. returned to Germany with 16 yrs. with 19 to GB, married over there. back to Germany for few years, another man (a foreigner, too), we left for Far East for about 10 years. (with breaks for returning back to Germany to raise up my son) so i enjoyed various "points of view" seeing the world or the US. this just BTW. anyhow, it's never q question of few hours to discover new countries. regarding the mentioned "one-size-fits-all" theory: probably, you are right on this point. but only by reading the American forums on this site, certain differences within the US and its states are to be seen. i was able to notice this several times. and: Maine lobster and California or Chile wine: woudl be a great idea for tonight over here in my small, tightly packed country dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #63 March 25, 2004 US citizen Have traveled to: Canada Bahamas Not nearly enough countries on my list (YET) and my passport is calling to me to use it. Was hoping to make it to the Herc boggie this year, but then we figured out what it'd cost us. Can't afford it this time around, but.... I've been to quite a few states in the US. Those include: Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Florida Georgia Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Nevada New Mexico New York North Carolina Ohio Oklahoma Rhode Island (born there) South Carolina Tennessee Texas WisconsinLife is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #64 March 25, 2004 The countries i've been to... US Chile (born there) Mexico Canada Spain Wisconsin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #65 March 25, 2004 Oh boy. Let's see if I can remember without my passports handy... Australia Austria Germany Belgium The Netherlands Switzerland Italy Kenya Tanzania Zimbabwe Namibia South Africa Mexico Brazil Argentina Paraguay Hong Kong SAR Hong Kong (pre-takeover) China South Korea Japan Thailand Malaysia Singapore Canada Belize Guatemala Bahrain Oman Saudi Arabia Work beckons....I think I skipped a few from Asia... Beers to all, Vinny the Anvil Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #66 March 25, 2004 QuoteThe countries i've been to... US Chile (born there) Mexico Canada Spain Wisconsin Hey...Wisconsin isn't it's own country. Texas is. Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #67 March 25, 2004 Quotenotion that Americans are generally less well-traveled than Europeans. who's idea is that? QuoteIf you have been to all 50 U.S States but have never been outside the U.S., are you less well-traveled than someone who has been to a couple of different countries? impossible to answer that question but, i would love to travel all states (only saw 3). depends on what you are doing on such a trip: just crossing the states, or living there for a certain time, meeting folks, talking to them, spend your time with them: this is pure discovery. and depends on one's own money. there is are tons to be considered in your thread. very good one. ] dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #68 March 25, 2004 I'm from Ireland. I've lived in England, The US, Bermuda, St. Lucia, Grenada and the Cayman Islands. I've been to France, Spain, Wales, Antigua, Trinidad, Barbados, Cuba, Martinique, Puerto Rico. Want to get to Italy, Oz, New Zeland and Canada. Hopefully before I'm 20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #69 March 25, 2004 small wishes for a guy in the age of my son.... go ahead and do it right: you will see all of them, probably their DZs too? good luck on that. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orchid 0 #70 March 25, 2004 I was borned in Vietnam, came to the States when I was 10...became a citizen and been here ever since. However I love to travel, mostly to Asia...some of the countries I've traveled to are: Asia Thailand Hong Kong China Singapore Indonesia Japan Mexico U.S. Hawaii Places I would not go back Singapore Indonesia ^_~"Love is doing small things with great love." Lacrosse: Legally beating men with sticks since 1492 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #71 March 25, 2004 From USA, been to: -Canada -Mexico -England -Scottland -Germany -Brazil -Barbados (forgot)<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #72 March 25, 2004 From the US. Been to Mexico and the Bahmas. Need to start collecting stamps in my passport. Who wants to go to Spain w/me? Going to Canada this year. Perhaps UK and Spain also. Oklahoma seems like a whole other country--does that count? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daizey 0 #73 March 25, 2004 I've been to France (Paris and up towards the northern part and a town called Lille) and Belgium (I visited Brugge) I loved them both and would love to go back! *daizey* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #74 March 25, 2004 Canada, Mexico, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Thailand, Vietnam, Japan, China, England, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Estonia, Russia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Morocco, Spanish Saraha. I'm from Dallas, TXThe older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #75 March 25, 2004 From the US. Been to Bahamas, Costa Rica, UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Switzerland, France, Spain, Portugal, Monaco, Italy & Greece. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
