Vallerina 2 #26 April 14, 2004 QuoteThis was a real study done in California. My aunt sent it to me and thought I would pass it on. Do you care to cite this? I have had training in a Rape Survivor Advocate program, and this doesn't make sense from what I've learned. Quote7) Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a 3-5 year sentence but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years. The "because" here seems to be off. Most rape is acquaintance rape and not premeditated...that's probably why they don't have a weapon...not because they think about the consequences. Also, is the sentence for rape that low in CA? That seems odd.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damion75 0 #27 April 14, 2004 QuoteWell, I blame myself for trying to walk back to my hotel in Orlando from the tunnel by myself at night. One of my friends at uni was date raped, and the hardest thing to take afterwards was that she blamed herself. Don't blame yourself for anything - blame the shithead who tried to rape you. *************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #28 April 14, 2004 QuoteI know you are trying to help but I wish you had only posted this in the womens forum. I posted information about rape there. Not many people saw it. Just some facts for you guys: *Even if the rape survivor has no plan on prosecuting or getting a rape kit, report the crime. With more reported cases, people may understand just how serious it actually is. *"1 out of 3 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime." *1 in 4 college women have been raped or suffered attempted rape. *78% of rape victims know their attacker. *Rape is a crime of violence motivated by a need to show power over or to express anger against another person. Sex is used as the weapon. *There is no evidence to support a link between physical attractiveness or sexiness and rape. Rapists care little what their victims look like; in fact, they rarely remember what their victims look like after the rape. The fact that elderly women and very young children (either males or females) are often victims tends to negate this myth.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #29 April 14, 2004 Quotefind a Krav Maga class. ROFL! THose are very hokey styles. There was a guy who knew that and entered the UFC way back. He got his ass kicked bad by a grappler/submission fighter. Krav Maga and many others that are taught to military and Spec Ops units are not very good for self defense. Those are combat oriented styles. Combat self defense and street self defense are night and day. Maybe in another thread I'll explain the differences for you. Grappling is the best style for rape defense. The style I used to teach privately and still take today is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It is a heavy grappling/submission style. It is also hands down the best style for self defense in general. Practically all NHB/MMA tournaments are won by grapplers. One of the reasons BJJ is great for women in regards to rape defense is that one of the very common positions to be in BJJ is one called the "guard." The guard is where you are on the ground and your opponent is on top of you while you have your legs wrapped around his waist. In other words, it's the missionary position in sex. And guess what? That's the position a woman is put in when she is being raped. Fighting out of the guard is a vast majority of our training. There are many different submissions and reversals you have at your disposal. BJJ is rapidly becoming the most popular style women are turning to for rape defense...and wisely so. Bjj, grappling, submission fighting for street self defense.....Yes. Krav Maga, SAFTA, Systema, Black Arts for street self defense.....No. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #30 April 14, 2004 I'm glad that Val stated what she did. Most rape is committed by friends and acquaintances - peopl ein a position of trust around whom you let your guard down. Also, I've seen a couple of things about womes doing something wrong. That's bullshit. A woman being herself and obeying all laws is doing NOTHING wrong. The only fault lies with the perpetrator of the act. Women (and men) can take steps to avoid being assaulted. Situational awareness is the key. Be alert but blend in. Know your surroundings and try to stay in a well-lit and populated place. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #31 April 14, 2004 Thanks for the extra facts Val! Great add on to the post. I'm not sure of the sources. My aunt is visiting tomorrow and I'll try to get it out of her then.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #32 April 14, 2004 QuoteAlso, I've seen a couple of things about womes doing something wrong. That's bullshit. A woman being herself and obeying all laws is doing NOTHING wrong. The only fault lies with the perpetrator of the act. Ahhhh, the voice of reasonTalk sense to a fool and he'll call you foolishTunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #33 April 14, 2004 Thanks for the info. That style of defense just makes sense seeing as you are starting in the position (probably/most likely) encountered when being raped. Thanks for helpin us females out when you can. Appreciate all you military types sharing your knowledge with us civiliansTunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #34 April 14, 2004 snopes: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/rape.htm I read an article once about rapists. The maniacs who jump women they don't know on the street are actually a rare variety. Date rape & acquaintance rape is supposedly much more common (not that that makes it any less horrible). Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazy 0 #35 April 14, 2004 QuoteThis was a real study done in California. My aunt sent it to me and thought I would pass it on. Is it just me, or does it smell like a worrying (even dangerous) hoax?-- Come Skydive Asia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #36 April 14, 2004 Here is an excellent site chalked full of information. Click on the Tecniques section and scroll down to the section entitled From the Bottom and look in the category called Closed Guard and Open Guard and you'll see tons of submissions and escapes with photos. You will quickly see how useful BJJ is in regards to rape defense as well as the best overall self defense. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #37 April 14, 2004 QuoteI could question myself and my actions forever. I am trying to let it go and learn from it. That is a fantastic attitude Rosa! Lesser women would lock themselves in the house with a bunch of cats. The best revenge is leading a full and happy life._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #38 April 14, 2004 Oh shit...here we go with the Snopes "factual" info. The day people rely more on their own intelligence and intuition and less on Snopes who states on their own freakin site that they are not the final word on anything will be a good one. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #39 April 14, 2004 I would think that the best/most effective defense would be the techniques that are specifically outlawed in the BJJ/UFC world. (throat strikes, eye gouging, biting, etc.) ?? Defending against an attack is not about winning a fight, it's about defending your life with the most lethal/effective techniques available._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #40 April 14, 2004 QuoteI would think that the best/most effective defense would be the techniques that are specifically outlawed in the BJJ/UFC world. Throat strikes, eye gouging, biting, etc... are not "outlawed" in BJJ. In tournaments they are, but not for self defense. And what does the quote you stated have anything to do with your post? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #41 April 14, 2004 I don't know dude, I copoied the wrong line I think_________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #42 April 14, 2004 QuoteOh shit...here we go with the Snopes "factual" info. The day people rely more on their own intelligence and intuition and less on Snopes who states on their own freakin site that they are not the final word on anything will be a good one. hey, we just posted the site. you can do what you want with what they say. I do happen to think that some of their criticisms are legitimate. Just read critically & decide for yourself. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #43 April 14, 2004 Paige is definitely not ANTI-MALE. Nice post chica. Something I might not have seen and printed off for my daughter's if it was in the women's forums. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #44 April 14, 2004 QuoteThroat strikes, eye gouging, biting, etc... are not "outlawed" in BJJ. In tournaments they are, but not for self defense. Exactly, so my thinking is that they are precisely the things I will use. Quick, easy, devastating. Grappling is great stuff, but when things get funky, I prefer the K.I.S.S. method._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #45 April 14, 2004 QuoteI do happen to think that some of their criticisms are legitimate. From my training, Snopes is almost dead on. Actually, if you don't believe Snopes, call your local rape awareness program. If you want to know more facts about rape, your local Crisis Center should (not all will) have information or can easily refer you to someone in your area that does. Often times, they give talks to try to inform people about rape (when is it rape, all about rape kits, what to do when someone you know has been raped.) If you are wanting more information, I strongly suggest contacting your local Crisis Center.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #46 April 14, 2004 QuoteOh shit...here we go with the Snopes "factual" info. The day people rely more on their own intelligence and intuition and less on Snopes who states on their own freakin site that they are not the final word on anything will be a good one. Huh?! Quote*Rape is a crime of violence motivated by a need to show power over or to express anger against another person. Sex is used as the weapon. *There is no evidence to support a link between physical attractiveness or sexiness and rape. Rapists care little what their victims look like; in fact, they rarely remember what their victims look like after the rape. The fact that elderly women and very young children (either males or females) are often victims tends to negate this myth. Ask to see her volumes of factual information. Someone has thought for themselves, and basically said some of the same things in the Snopes link. From Snopes: QuoteIf rapists choose their victims based on hairstyle and length of tresses, it's news to those in law enforcement; they've never noticed this trend. QuoteAccording to Denver Police Sgt. John Burbach... QuoteStatistics from the U.S. Department of Justice ... QuoteKathie Kramer, public relations coordinator at the Denver Rape Assistance and Awareness Program (RAAP) says.... Quote1995 U.S. Department of Justice statistics show .... QuoteAround 1980, Nicholas Groth, director of Forensic Mental Health Associates, established a typology of rapists... Yeah, they may not claim to be the final word on anything, and people should think for themselves. But actually read that article, they use some pretty good sources and cite them.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #47 April 14, 2004 QuoteGrappling is great stuff, but when things get funky, I prefer the K.I.S.S. method. Umm...errrr....ok, no sense in even touching that one. The internet is chalked full of experts Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greene 0 #48 April 14, 2004 Hoax? Could be. Still interesting information, and one that I will consider if ever in that situation. Lee West, not Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #49 April 14, 2004 I have seen far too many rape/murder crime scenes than I care to remember, and I can tell you that in my experience, the data below is correct. Rape is about the imposition of power and control by those who do not have power or control in the normal course of thier lives. Above all, it is sickening to me. I will never get used to it. QuoteQuoteI know you are trying to help but I wish you had only posted this in the womens forum. I posted information about rape there. Not many people saw it. Just some facts for you guys: *Even if the rape survivor has no plan on prosecuting or getting a rape kit, report the crime. With more reported cases, people may understand just how serious it actually is. *"1 out of 3 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime." *1 in 4 college women have been raped or suffered attempted rape. *78% of rape victims know their attacker. *Rape is a crime of violence motivated by a need to show power over or to express anger against another person. Sex is used as the weapon. *There is no evidence to support a link between physical attractiveness or sexiness and rape. Rapists care little what their victims look like; in fact, they rarely remember what their victims look like after the rape. The fact that elderly women and very young children (either males or females) are often victims tends to negate this myth._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #50 April 14, 2004 QuoteQuotethey have a certain anti male undertone ?????? I certainly didnt feel pointed at by the tips! You wouldn't understand....you Canadians are a bit too.....effeminate...yea, that's the polite word for it...ok, ok....I don't really mean Canadians are effeminate....just you... Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites