smiles 0 #1 April 16, 2004 I'm sick of hearing these "vital security hole" warnings. When you use Windows, you basically agree to the fact that you know there are some problems - it's as simple as that. I've heard of applications like those listed below that are equivalent replacements for the Microsoft version of the product. Not only are they free, but they also excel in some features I'm told. Would appreciate feedback from those who have used and what they think. Internet Explorer: Mozilla http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/ or Firefox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ Outlook Express: Thunderbird http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Microsoft Office: OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org/ MSN Messenger: Trillian Basic http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/downloads/ Then what if you want to get away from Windows altogether? The penguin - Linux.?? Is this open source operating system getting easier than ever to use.?? For example, Mandrake http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en-us/ provides an easy-to-use flavor of Linux. I'm in the process of slapping a copy of Linux on a CD and playing with it before installing: Knoppix.net http://www.knoppix.net/ to download Knoppix. They also have some great resources to help you out with all of the questions. Please wish me luck Foobar cartoon (April) attached. SMiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #2 April 16, 2004 I use the Mozilla browser. I love it except for the high rate of problems it causes. Goes into "Not responding" mode WAY too often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #3 April 16, 2004 Opera or Crazybrowser or that new version of IE Amazon is working on<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites n2skdvn 0 #4 April 16, 2004 linux is a good os but i would recommend getting a book on it to learn the basics and to learn the command line structure. i have used red hat,mandrake,and have played with a variant if the knoppix cd. it is getting easier to use but you really need to know how the os works it's totally different monster than windows. pm me if ya have any questions..if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrogNog 1 #5 April 16, 2004 I thought religious debate belonged in "Speaker's Corner", not Bonfire. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #6 April 16, 2004 QuoteI thought religious debate belonged in "Speaker's Corner", not Bonfire. You crack yourself up don't you Any way, I don't like Mozilla it's very quirky, and yes I've used it plenty and have used the latest and greatest. I just removed it. I haven't used Opera in a while but I remember it to be ok. Try This one -> SlimBroswer from Flash Peak So far, so good!My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MattM 0 #7 April 16, 2004 Yes, please don't let anyone in your vital security hole... Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #8 April 16, 2004 If you think Linux isn't going to come with security holes you're kidding yourself. In fact just recently a bunch of university computers were attacked (Linux) and the admins caught off guard. The hackers had control of some SERIOUS computing power (not talking Uncle Bob's desktop here). If Linux ever becomes as mainstream as windows you'll have the same issues. It's software, complex software, and there are always going to be holes - no matter which one you choose. Mainstream software will ALWAYS be the target. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mcrocker 0 #9 April 16, 2004 I'm a Linux geek, I've been running is commercially in a production environment since 1994. I love it, I live, eat and breath it. I have 30+ Linux servers all humming along doing everything you could imagine. That said, my desktop OS is OS X on a15" PowerBook. OS X OfficeX Safari X Windows Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #10 April 17, 2004 There are just as many security holes, if not more, in all the Linux variations. You just don't hear about them as much because it isn't used by 90% of the planet like Windows is. At the last 2600 meeting we had here in Portland, we had a wireless hack meet. It was 4 Linux (One RedHat, one Mandrake, two FreeBSD) machines vs 4 Windows (three XP and one 2000) machines. All 4 Linux machines were compromised (files were placed on the machine), and none of the Windows machines were accessed. Two of the Linux machines were hacked by multiple Windows machines. With either OS, you do have to know quite a bit about how it works to truly protect it. With Windows, there's just less work that needs to be done. There are some fundamental holes in Linux that make easily hackable (primarily the disconnect between file system security and security of third-party compenents and/or web services). Inconsistency is the nature of open source."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #11 April 17, 2004 QuoteAt the last 2600 meeting we had here in Portland, we had a wireless hack meet. I bet that place was rife with pocket protectors and Free Kevin memorabilia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TitaniumLegs 8 #12 April 17, 2004 I have a DEC VT220 you can have... (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #13 April 17, 2004 Any WMD in there?"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
freeflir29 0 #2 April 16, 2004 I use the Mozilla browser. I love it except for the high rate of problems it causes. Goes into "Not responding" mode WAY too often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #3 April 16, 2004 Opera or Crazybrowser or that new version of IE Amazon is working on<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #4 April 16, 2004 linux is a good os but i would recommend getting a book on it to learn the basics and to learn the command line structure. i have used red hat,mandrake,and have played with a variant if the knoppix cd. it is getting easier to use but you really need to know how the os works it's totally different monster than windows. pm me if ya have any questions..if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #5 April 16, 2004 I thought religious debate belonged in "Speaker's Corner", not Bonfire. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #6 April 16, 2004 QuoteI thought religious debate belonged in "Speaker's Corner", not Bonfire. You crack yourself up don't you Any way, I don't like Mozilla it's very quirky, and yes I've used it plenty and have used the latest and greatest. I just removed it. I haven't used Opera in a while but I remember it to be ok. Try This one -> SlimBroswer from Flash Peak So far, so good!My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 0 #7 April 16, 2004 Yes, please don't let anyone in your vital security hole... Matt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #8 April 16, 2004 If you think Linux isn't going to come with security holes you're kidding yourself. In fact just recently a bunch of university computers were attacked (Linux) and the admins caught off guard. The hackers had control of some SERIOUS computing power (not talking Uncle Bob's desktop here). If Linux ever becomes as mainstream as windows you'll have the same issues. It's software, complex software, and there are always going to be holes - no matter which one you choose. Mainstream software will ALWAYS be the target. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #9 April 16, 2004 I'm a Linux geek, I've been running is commercially in a production environment since 1994. I love it, I live, eat and breath it. I have 30+ Linux servers all humming along doing everything you could imagine. That said, my desktop OS is OS X on a15" PowerBook. OS X OfficeX Safari X Windows Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #10 April 17, 2004 There are just as many security holes, if not more, in all the Linux variations. You just don't hear about them as much because it isn't used by 90% of the planet like Windows is. At the last 2600 meeting we had here in Portland, we had a wireless hack meet. It was 4 Linux (One RedHat, one Mandrake, two FreeBSD) machines vs 4 Windows (three XP and one 2000) machines. All 4 Linux machines were compromised (files were placed on the machine), and none of the Windows machines were accessed. Two of the Linux machines were hacked by multiple Windows machines. With either OS, you do have to know quite a bit about how it works to truly protect it. With Windows, there's just less work that needs to be done. There are some fundamental holes in Linux that make easily hackable (primarily the disconnect between file system security and security of third-party compenents and/or web services). Inconsistency is the nature of open source."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #11 April 17, 2004 QuoteAt the last 2600 meeting we had here in Portland, we had a wireless hack meet. I bet that place was rife with pocket protectors and Free Kevin memorabilia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TitaniumLegs 8 #12 April 17, 2004 I have a DEC VT220 you can have... (>o|-< If you don't believe me, ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #13 April 17, 2004 Any WMD in there?"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
