kpjumps 0 #126 March 20, 2004 Quote Quote he was NOT in any way tortured. How the hell do you know? Do you speak baby? You probably weren't aware of the after affects of ANY type of anesthesia on a new born baby. Most people aren't aware. I said he was not tortured, I did not say he was not in pain. I made the decision to endure 27 hours of labor with no pain meds because of my concerns about anesthetic on a newborn. But I made the educated decision that the pros of pain killers in this instance outweighed the cons. No, I do not speak baby, but I am his mother and I can tell you that in MY son's instance the crying was no more than when they repeateldly shot my daughters legs for her immunizations. I stand by decision, given the facts that I had at the time. My grandfather had just made the decision to have a circ and he was 65, he was born in Poland. When we talked about it he felt it was the best option. I respect your opinion, but I did not make my decision carelessly nor did I take it lightly. I made it, as I make every decision involving Kyle and Lauren, with their best interests ALWAYS closest to my heart, since they stole it anyway! __________________________________________________Your character will ultimately determine your destiny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #127 March 20, 2004 yep well you've found us out. I'll stop lying now. the truth is I'm totally traumatized by the circumcision, and, as you've pointed out, I can't possibly get an orgasm without my foreskin. So I've acted out against society in frustration by tearing off those tags on mattresses, and jumping out of airplanes. Secretly, my one repressed desire in life is to have my foreskin back. But that cannot be, so I am forced to hide my naked penis in small, dark, skin-covered places, over and over again. Such is my shame. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #128 March 22, 2004 Quote Have you ever seen a circumcision performed? Yes, I have. My wife and I are having a baby next month. If it is a boy, I'll see another one performed. Quote I don't believe in immunizations either Ironic, coming from a medical professional. And my children get their immunizations too. I'm looking out for their well being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BethUK 0 #129 March 22, 2004 Coming from the UK, a very small percentage of men here are circumcised, it is only really done for religious reasons. I dont believe that the vast majority of men here would be deemed unclean or dirty or even say it was very difficult to keep clean with a foreskin. I asked five of my male friends if they had been circumcised at birth, would they be happy? All five of them said they would most probably be resentful at their parents for doing that. There are very few cases heard of men having probs as a result of not being circumcised and therefore in my opinion its an unnecessary operation and should be the choice of the person having the op...ie shouldn't be performed on babies who cant have a say and have to live with it for the rest of their lives. Just my thoughts.....------------------------------------------------------------ "This isn't flying...it's falling with style!" Buzz Lightyear - Toystory 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #130 March 22, 2004 Well, ladies and gentleman, thank you very much for all your responses and different viewpoints. It has certainly helped my wife and I having a good discussion on this subject. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BethUK 0 #131 March 22, 2004 And what did you decide....?! ------------------------------------------------------------ "This isn't flying...it's falling with style!" Buzz Lightyear - Toystory 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #132 March 22, 2004 FACT Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case. Something believed to be true or real Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact. The evidence is well documented, just because you don't want to belive it does not make it less factual. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #133 March 22, 2004 Quote And what did you decide....?! We decided to first find out whether we are having a boy or a girl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #134 March 22, 2004 Quote Quote And what did you decide....?! We decided to first find out whether we are having a boy or a girl Sexist pig!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #135 March 22, 2004 Quote Sexist pig! Kallend you seldom make me laugh, but that was funny...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #136 March 22, 2004 Quote How can it be that the US is basically the only country (outside of ISREAL) that assumes circumcision... and yet, so many people here think we are 100% correct. Open your eyes, look around the world. I think all Muslims are required to be circumcised. Something to do with the religion. I would say 50% of the world is circumcised? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #137 March 22, 2004 Quote Quote How can it be that the US is basically the only country (outside of ISREAL) that assumes circumcision... and yet, so many people here think we are 100% correct. Open your eyes, look around the world. I think all Muslims are required to be circumcised. Something to do with the religion. I would say 50% of the world is circumcised? From http://www.familymedicine.co.uk/features/circum3.htm Quote Male circumcision is religiously practised by the followers of Judaism and Islam. The ceremony, with great rejoicing and festivities, usually takes place one week after birth for Jews and within the early few years of age among Muslims. The followers of Hinduism and Bikhism are religiously against this ritual. However, secular ritual of circumcision varies from one country to another and has changed with time in human history but has existed in all parts of the world : In the USA, male circumcision is still prioritised routinely on the majority of male neonates in hospitals today; in England, this ritual was fashionable among upper classes in Victorian times. At present, it is provided under the NHS on medical grounds such as phimosia and paraphimosis. - According to Rolande (1), it is practised among African Tribes, Austrailian Aborignes, the Mayays of Borneo, American Indians, the ancient Aztecs and Mayas, the Caribs, the Fijians and the Samoana. Nevertheless, it is estimated that about 20 per cent of males in the world are circumcised and 80 per cent of men are against it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #138 March 22, 2004 Quote Sexist pig! Coming from an edumecated man like yourself I take that as a compliment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #139 March 22, 2004 Quote Quote And what did you decide....?! We decided to first find out whether we are having a boy or a girl He also decided that he would be an idiot to announce it in this forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #140 March 22, 2004 Quote Quote How can it be that the US is basically the only country (outside of ISREAL) that assumes circumcision... and yet, so many people here think we are 100% correct. Open your eyes, look around the world. I think all Muslims are required to be circumcised. Something to do with the religion. I would say 50% of the world is circumcised? And the other 50% are female?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KolinskyDC 0 #141 March 23, 2004 Quote Quote ***Have you ever seen a circumcision performed? Yes, I have. My wife and I are having a baby next month. If it is a boy, I'll see another one performed. I do not understand why anyone would do this, why not wait until he is old enough to decide if he doesn't want that piece of his body. Do you really think that a new baby comes into this world needing part of him removed? Does this make any sense to anyone?? One of the first experiences your child will have is part of his body being cut off and do not think that just because he is a newborn, it will not have an effect on him. Quote ***I don't believe in immunizations either Ironic, coming from a medical professional. And my children get their immunizations too. I am not a medical professional, nor do I want to be. I am a chiropractor. Big difference. But since you brought it up, I know quite a few medical professionals who decided not to vaccinate their children, because they did their research and did not inject their children blindly, not knowing exactly what was being injected into them. I have researched these diseases, the vaccinations, what they contain, how they are cultivated, how the supposedly work, possible side effects etc etc. I made a very educated choice not to vaccinate my child because I trust in his body more than some mercury filled so called "immunization" to help him deal with whatever he may encounter in his environment. Quote I'm looking out for their well being. As am I Melissa "May the best of your past be the worst of your future" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #142 March 23, 2004 Nope I meant to say 50% of the male populus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsch 0 #143 April 17, 2004 Quote My son was born in 95. I elected to NOT get him cut. I read a lot of articles and I just didn't see any real evidence for it. Likwe someone else mentioned......most Europeans aren't cut and you don't see them falling over dead. Good for you. I'm sure when your son is old enough he will thank you for your critical thinking amid a society that encourages the cow-herd mentality. John ---- "Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of cruelty. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom, in the pursuit of truth as in the endeavour after a worthy manner of life." - Bertrand Russell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #144 April 17, 2004 Quote I feel circumcised men have been primally wounded, tortured and mutilated when too little to defend themselves, and the best part of their penis has been thrown into the trash can. Geez, and here I was thinking mine was a lot of fun no foreskin and all... I'm not going to enter into the debate as to whether or not it should be done, but as far as I'm concerned, save your pity for someone else. If my penis were any more fun, it'd drive me crazy... oh wait, it already does! Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #145 April 17, 2004 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Don't do it! How would you do the hungry bird impression without a foreskin? Plus, it keeps you warm in winter. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #146 April 17, 2004 Wow I came into this one late. Get it done, save it and show it to his girlfriends when he brings them home! That's what we did. "oh look how cute and small it was!" "Yep, he cried like we were cutting off his penis." "Yes there really was THAT much to cut off." "No that is not his natural color. It has discoloered over time!" okay . . . that's enough Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #147 April 18, 2004 Trey Parker and Matt Stone pretty much sum'd this up in a Southpark show! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #148 April 18, 2004 How will he be able to pee in 5 different directions at once ? Also doubles as a makeshift pocket for you locker key & you can pick up peanuts without using your hands. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #149 April 18, 2004 I am partial to men who are left in their natural state. I think they are much more "fancy" that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #150 April 18, 2004 I'm not sure about 'fancy' but they make a much louder slapping noise. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
