EricaH 0 #101 March 19, 2004 There are a few people here that I never thought I'd agree w/ but amazingly do. As for not being able to clean for a long time period & ending up w/ an infection... in many parts of the world (as we've heard here) circumcision is the acception, not the rule and many men from these places (europe, the middle east, asia, Australia & many others); are in the same unable to clean situations (war comes to mind)... somehow they manage to not become hiddiously infected if at all. I wonder what they do? As for not knowing if sensation is lost, I'm pretty sure that medical knowledge now extends to knowing in a larger amount of nerve endings are in one place or another. If they say some sensation is lost, than probably, nervs are being cut off. STDs are a risk, but again, somehow europeans & australians (who mainly have a similar lifestyle as us in the US) seem to manage w/o requiring the cut. How can it be that the US is basically the only country (outside of ISREAL) that assumes circumcision... and yet, so many people here think we are 100% correct. Open your eyes, look around the world. There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #102 March 19, 2004 Quote Many women told me that they prefer performing oral sex on circumcised men. Do you really need any additional reasons? Do your boy a favour, circumcise him as soon as possible. My housemate said she prefers uncut men. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpjumps 0 #103 March 19, 2004 Quote Oh My God... Some of you people are CLUELESS AND SELFISH.. I'M OUT OF THIS THREAD BEFORE I START TELLING THE "LOP IT OFF" PEOPLE EXACTLY WHAT I THINK OF THEM. IGNORANT TO SAY THE LEAST. IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE YOUR CHILD CIRCUMSIZED AT LEAST HAVE THE BALLS TO WATCH IT. THAT'S RIGHT. DON'T BE A COWARD AND LET THE DR'S WISK YOUR CHILD AWAY AND WHEN THEY COME BACK THE DEED IS DONE. GO WATCH IT, HOLD YOUR BABIES HAND AND LOOK HIM IN THE EYES,, IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE COWARDS, THE DR. WON'T LET ME IN YOU SAY? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? NOT BECAUSE OF STERILITY. THEY KNOW YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT. I watched... As a stubborn new mother, I insisted on being in there and I watched. His little fingers were wrapped around mine and I kept my face in his the whole time. Ok, so I didn't watch the snip, I looked at his adorable face. We were nose to nose for the whole few minutes. I also insisted on an an anesthetic and a little prick of ladicane before the original shot to numb the area for the shot. He made a funny face and then cried at the ladicane shot, but no worse than at any routine immunization. He did not see the neddle for the anesthetic and no more than whimpered at that shot, although he was still crying. He did not scream at the top of his lungs, he was NOT in any way tortured. He was uncomfortable though, but no more than my daughter who came along seven years later when they stopped combining shots, made polio a shot instead of a liquid and came at her cute little legs with 5 neddles! One stab after another. Right, left, right, left, right, the poor kid thought it would never end. Just my observations... __________________________________________________Your character will ultimately determine your destiny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #104 March 19, 2004 Quote Studies show that men that get circumsized later in life lose a CONSIDERABLE amount of pleasure. Almost to the point of missery. How is this studied? You could only ask people who've had it done later in life and you can't conclude that the results would be the same as having it done right after birth. Do uncircumcized men not last as long as circumcized mean during sex? Is there a higher occurance of preamuture ejaculation in uncircumcized men? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #105 March 19, 2004 Quote Quote 1999 American Academy of Pediatrics “Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision.” Why thank you, professor. So the American Academy of Pediatrics does think there are potential medical benefits. They are just saying that they may not be sufficient enough to make circumcision a policy decision. They acknowledge the health benefits, but don't feel they merit a political stance. Fine. Why not drop the repeated (false) assertions that there can't be any medical benefit. You are contradicting your cited sources. Potential doesn't mean actual.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #106 March 19, 2004 Quote Well, the truth or falsehood of all the cleanliness/health/hygiene claims notwithstanding, I was circumcised and for me it is just the "right" look for a penis. Not that I go looking at penises. I just am very used to mine and so that is what looks "right" to me. It sure as hell is a strange fuckin' thing to ever have become traditional and common. I mean, WTF?! Cutting skin off a penis?! What IS the Jewish religious rationale for it?? - It is "The Covenant". Once again, please see Exodus, Kings, and Samuel. The Israelites were really big on that foreskin business... mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #107 March 19, 2004 So when they say that eating a low fat diet can potentially reduce the risk of heart disease or that smoking may cause cancer, they're not talking "actually"? Their statement meant that while there is data to support the idea of health benefits, it's not enough for them to recommend the routine use of circumcision. It's pretty much up to the parents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #108 March 19, 2004 One son is (we were in the military and it was free). One isn't (out and it cost). Cleanliness is the issue. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpjumps 0 #109 March 19, 2004 Well, the we can wait a few (many) years, let them compare notes in a way that only brothers can, and they can have the final say on how it effects *uhumm* feeling... *runs away embarassed* __________________________________________________Your character will ultimately determine your destiny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #110 March 19, 2004 Quote So when they say that eating a low fat diet can potentially reduce the risk of heart disease or that smoking may cause cancer, they're not talking "actually"? Their statement meant that while there is data to support the idea of health benefits, it's not enough for them to recommend the routine use of circumcision. It's pretty much up to the parents. The American Medical Association recommends not smoking, and eating a low fat diet. So does the American College of Cardiology. The AMA does NOT recommend circumcision. The American Association of Pediatrics does not recommend circumcision. It's pretty easy to understand really. No national medical association in the world recommends circumcision.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #111 March 20, 2004 Quote Open your eyes, look around the world. So many Americans don't. "We're Ameerikans dammitt.....of course we're Ryght!!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cielo 0 #112 March 20, 2004 I voted NO! I would not do this to my son. I find it to be unnecessarily cruel and a sick ritual. I am glad i'm not a man because I know that my mother would have circumcised me had I been. The majority of men i've been with have indeed been circumsized. But, I have been with three that have not. I find it more fun when it's not. And, none of the guys I speak of have had cleanliness issues with it... I think i'd know Also, I think that men who are uncircumsized do seem to be more sensitive (this, of course, it just my perception). So, my answer... don't do it. It is plain cruel. I agree with Kallend,... if you're going to do this, you might as well have every "unnecessary" body part removed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #113 March 20, 2004 Quote Well, the we can wait a few (many) years, let them compare notes in a way that only brothers can, and they can have the final say on how it effects *uhumm* feeling... *runs away embarassed* __________________________________________________ Well it could be just a few years. One is 19 and the other 14 but I don't want to know. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpjumps 0 #114 March 20, 2004 I am with you on that one... I have a fourteen year old son! I warned him that girls are the enemy, funny how the tables turn! __________________________________________________Your character will ultimately determine your destiny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #115 March 20, 2004 Quote If its something your child wants, let him make his own decision when he's old enough. Agreed.. If I have 10 more boys NONE of them will be circumsized. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #116 March 20, 2004 Quote he was NOT in any way tortured. How the hell do you know? Do you speak baby? You probably weren't aware of the after affects of ANY type of anesthesia on a new born baby. Most people aren't aware. Just because you don't think he was tortured doesn't make it right.. Why don't you go down to the local Dr's office and have your parts numbed and cutt off. Maybe in 40 years or so you will forget it ever happened? Aside from my frustration at this subject I do admire the fact that you were at least there. And at least you had the heart to make sure he was at least slightly numbed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KolinskyDC 0 #117 March 20, 2004 This is a subject that I am very passionate about, so please forgive me if I get a little heated. As I read through some of the responses, it was difficult because I wanted to respond to so many, so I am just going to stick with the reasons for my own decision I made with my son. I did a lot of research on this and decided to keep my son intact and am very glad that I did. The number one reason I hear from people to have their child circumcized is hygiene, my answer is this, if you can't teach your child to clean themselves then you might want to reconsider having a child. How hygenic is it to cut off a piece of their body, then put it in a diaper that they will urinate and deficate into an open wound, does not sound very hygenic to me. I have read accounts from nurses explaining how they witnessed babies convulse in front of them from the pain of this procedure, only to have the doctor performing it say "and this is not even medically necessary" I had a friend who was a nurse in the maternity ward and told me that some parents had to leave the floor due to the screams of their son undergoing this procedure. This just absolutely blew my mind, how on earth could you subject a baby that just came into this world needing only the warmth and love of their parents to this kind of pain. They come out and one of the first experiences they have is their parents who are supposed to love and protect them allow them to be tortured and mutilated. I decided to keep my son intact because that is the way he was given to me, who am I to decide for him to remove a part of his body, if he chooses to later in life, then that will be his decision. Uncircumcized penises are more sensitive. The substance beneath the foreskin is actually beneficial and helps keeps the penis clean. More and more people are deciding to leave their sons intact, therefore the old excuse of "I don't want my son to be different and be teased" just does not hold true. I believe in a parents right to do a lot of things on behalf of their children, this is one that I do not. It is a very selfish action that is unnecessary and causes much pain. Please before anyone decides to do this, research the hell out of it and I can almost guarantee you will decide to leave your precious baby boy the way he was made. Melissa "May the best of your past be the worst of your future" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KolinskyDC 0 #118 March 20, 2004 Here is a good link to read about circumcision, if somebody could make it a clicky, still have not figured out how to do that. http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/ Melissa "May the best of your past be the worst of your future" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orchid 0 #119 March 20, 2004 Yes, you should have your baby circumcize. For several reasons: its clean, healthy for the baby, and his g/f or wife won't laugh at him. Those were the advice from my doctor when my son was born. ^_~"Love is doing small things with great love." Lacrosse: Legally beating men with sticks since 1492 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #120 March 20, 2004 not specifically replying to kolinsky, you were just the last post. people are getting way too worked up about this. comparing this to clitorectomies in Africa is bullshit. The clitoris is MUCH more important for female sexual pleasure than the foreskin is for males. Clitorectomies are an institution by insecure, fucked-up men with tiny dicks who are afraid that if their women were able to enjoy sex they might seek it out with someone who wasn't hung like a hamster. As for male circumcision: look, do what you want. The fact is that men who have been circumcised are not traumatized or mutilated. We are just fine, thank you very much, and, as with most men, our main problem is having orgasms too easily!! as for the health benefits, in modern western society, statistically there's not much benefit to it. However, in third world countries, you see a SIGNIFICANT difference in the rate of HIV transmission based on whether or not you are circumcised. I had one girlfriend who said that women will not go down on a guy who isn't circumcised, but I expect that she was just projecting her own attitude on all women. She said, "Women don't know what to do with an uncircumcised penis" Which is bullshit, and probably she said it just because that is all she was used to. So anyway, no, I'm not sorry or traumatized by the fact that I'm circumcised, but I would probably feel the same way if I WASN'T circumcised (except for not getting the BJs from that one girlfriend) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #122 March 20, 2004 Quote how on earth could you subject a baby that just came into this world needing only the warmth and love of their parents to this kind of pain. The come out and one of the first experiences they have is their parents who are supposed to love and protect them allow them to be tortured and mutilated. Like a breath of fresh air your words are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #123 March 20, 2004 Quote The clitoris is MUCH more important for female sexual pleasure than the foreskin is for males. How do you know? Quote The fact is that men who have been circumcised are not traumatized or mutilated. Babies are traumatized. And so are grown men that have it done later in life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #124 March 20, 2004 Quote Maybe in 40 years or so you will forget it ever happened? 40 years??!! honestly, we're all fine here, and have been so since as long as we can remember. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KolinskyDC 0 #125 March 20, 2004 Quote Quote I think all the tales of trauma are a little silly. Have you ever seen a circumcision performed? I have and believe me the trauma they endure is not a tale and is not silly. Quote Babies cry when you give them immunizations too. Should we stop that because it isn't a warm lovey cozy feeling? I don't believe in immunizations either, but that is a topic for another day. Comparing the pain caused by these two different procedures is not appropriate. Go stick a needle in your arm and then go cut off a piece of your body and tell me the feeling is comparable. Melissa "May the best of your past be the worst of your future" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
