EricaH 0 #26 March 18, 2004 I agree "don't do it". Times are changing, as the work world becomes more casual, so it seems does the rest of things. No longer is it expected that if you're christian you'll have it done & after all everyone in the US is christian, aren't they? (jk). But seriously, I've been w/ one man that wasn't cut - WOW!! Personally, I think it actully looks better than the cut version. Plus (no medical basis here), but having the foreskin allows more movement for more pleasure - obvioulsy later in life here. Social pressures are relaxing running water is basically everywhere now and condoms are readily available so most hygenic issues should be covered. And as far a coming to you when a teen ager... perhaps if communication about that stuff is started when they're younger, they'll be more prone to come to you; or if they're given a "safe" adult to whom they can go so they're not embarresed to bring it up to the parents... things could work out. But my sexually active feminine vote is NO DON'T DO IT. There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #27 March 18, 2004 You'd be suprised at how many people arent snipped. I say you do whatever you feel is right. If people have a problem with it "later on in life" then they need to grow up. There is nothing wrong with not being cut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #28 March 18, 2004 Quote Social pressures are relaxing running water is basically everywhere now and condoms are readily available so most hygenic issues should be covered. I guess if you stay within the borders of this or other industrialized countries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #29 March 18, 2004 Heck. I'm learing a lot from this. Interesting stuff, and I think I'll speak to my lady (who lived in Europe for almost 4 years) for more of an opinion. Especially true since it seems like the women object to it more than the men. I'll put the vote on my lady. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #30 March 18, 2004 Quote Especially true since it seems like the women object to it more than the men. I'll put the vote on my lady. The ONLY difference it makes ( for a womans concern ) is when the penis is not erect. When hard, you cant tell the difference between a circumcised and uncirumcised person. If a woman cant handle a little extra skin well.... I dont know what to say. I've had experiance with both cut and un cut men... and there is zero difference, and honestly, it doesnt even look terrible, or gross or whatever else women call it, just a little different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #31 March 18, 2004 Quote Having never been a boy, but pregnant with one, I did a lot of research before I made up my mind about what to do. Kyle was born in 1990 and the trend was to not go that route. Course the trend was clothe diapers too. In the end, there were two major reasons I choose to go ahead with it. One was hygeine, how was I going to get my seven year old to get it clean enough to prevent infections? My grandfather had one in his sixties for this reason and it was more dangerous at that point in his life. If a grown man had trouble with the cleaning issues, how could anyone expect a child to take care of it? I figured we be alright until I stopped giving him baths and then what? Would he know what to look for if an infection set in? Would he, at twelve, come tell me there was a problem? He's fourteen now, and I can tell you NO, he would not even mention such a thing to me. You put an interesting story here.. I am from Europe and not "snipped" as you call it. The whole deal with "not talking about it" is why boys / men do get these infections. It's part of raising a kid to teach them how to keep themselves clean. It was never an issue to talk about stuff like that with my parents, but if you are uncomfortable with that, that is totally fine. If you don't teach them to wipe their ass properly, they are going to stink in class.. to me, that is the exact same thing.. you teach them along the way how things are done. Just teach them the tricks on how to keep it clean when they are old enough to do it themselves, and explain why it is important to keep it clean and he's all set for a future without infections By the way, on the decision to do it or not.. I know it is usual for boys here to get it done.. If you want to have it done, do it.. If not, just tell them how to keep it clean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #32 March 18, 2004 I chose circumcision for my son. To date he hasn't told me he wishes I hadn't made that choice for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #33 March 18, 2004 Quote To date he hasn't told me he wishes I hadn't made that choice for him. Just for the record........I would rather I had the choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #34 March 18, 2004 Quote Just for the record........I would rather I had the choice. Have you told your parents that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,115 #35 March 18, 2004 From the American Academy of Pediatrics, 1999: CHICAGO - After analysis of almost 40 years of available medical research on circumcision, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) issued new recommendations today stating that the benefits are not significant enough for the AAP to recommend circumcision as a routine procedure. The new policy statement was published in this month's issue of Pediatrics, the journal of the AAP. “Circumcision is not essential to a child’s well-being at birth, even though it does have some potential medical benefits. These benefits are not compelling enough to warrant the AAP to recommend routine newborn circumcision. Instead, we encourage parents to discuss the benefits and risks of circumcision with their pediatrician, and then make an informed decision about what is in the best interest of their child,” says Carole Lannon, M.D., MPH, FAAP, chair of the AAP’s Task Force on Circumcision. ---------------------------------------------------- Maybe you should also have the child's tonsils and appendix removed too, since they are potential troublespots and not necessary organs. Removal of labia and clitoris from girl children eliminates a bundle of problems in the teenage years too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #36 March 18, 2004 Prof: What the article suggested was an informed decision. The article argues that circumcision may be merited, but is not something to be taken lightly. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #37 March 18, 2004 Quote Have you told your parents that? Nope.....I guess I should have. Especially when my Mom was raising holy hell with me about NOT having my son cut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,115 #38 March 18, 2004 Quote Prof: What the article suggested was an informed decision. The article argues that circumcision may be merited, but is not something to be taken lightly. Here is the complete statement aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;103/3/686... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,115 #39 March 18, 2004 Quote Maybe it's different in other places around the world, but in the USA it is absolutely expected. Chuck No it isn't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxmadmax 8 #40 March 18, 2004 The IRS sent a young aggressive auditor (male) to look over the returns of the local synagogue. The conversation went something like this. IRS man to rabbi: "Well it appears that your books are in order & legitimate" Rabbi: "Thanks, we try to account for everything" IRS man decide to have some fun with the rabbi and pressed on aggressively. IRS man "Rabi, I notice that you buy a lot of candles during the year.....what do you do with the drippings?" Rabi responds " When we gather enough, then they are sent to the candle shop and they send back free candles." IRS man (somewhat pissed off) " OK, that's great. I noticed you gathering up the matzaball crumbs. What do you do with those?" Rabbi says " We do the same thing but send them off to the matza ball maker and they send back free matzaballs." Now the IRS Man is mad as hell at the Rabbi: "Rabbi, what do you do with all of the foreskins that you remove during circumcisions" Well the Rabbi pondered a few seconds and replied, "Well, we put them into a box, send them off to the IRS and they send me a little prick like you!" Don't go away mad....just go away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #41 March 18, 2004 Huh. I crack up at the allegation of "mutilation" from folks who've pierced themselves wherever. Some occupations, like the military, can put a man where he doesn't have access to running water for significant lengths of time. My dad isn't and it caused him a little grief when he got sent to the Korean War. I am. If I had a son, I'd have it done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #42 March 18, 2004 Quote I crack up at the allegation of "mutilation" from folks who've pierced themselves wherever. But at least i made the choice to "mutilate" myself with piercings... ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #43 March 18, 2004 In 1978 when my 1st. son was born (Canada)- circumcision was the norm- in 1983 when 2nd. son was born it was impossible to find a dr. who would perform it. The newborn baby is strapped down, spread-eagled, on a small board called a Circumstraint. The surgeon slices the foreskin lengthwise to peel it forcibly from the glans. (The foreskin doesn’t naturally separate from the head of the penis for several years; until then, it adheres to the skin underneath.) Then comes the clamp. One of the most common is the Gomco clamp, a demonic-looking device that fits tightly around a bell that is slipped under the foreskin and over the head of the baby’s penis. The clamp is tightened, crushing the foreskin, which is then removed with a scalpel. As a parent the thought of this made my decision not to have my sons circumcised easy. I feel circumcised men have been primally wounded, tortured and mutilated when too little to defend themselves, and the best part of their penis has been thrown into the trash can. The last inch or two–the part that’s routinely cut off-contains ten to twelve ridges that are replete with specialized nerve endings, called Meissner’s corpuscles, that may be compared with similar nerve endings in the fingertips and lips. Whereas the foreskin is loaded with nerves. Worse, the head becomes less sensitive the longer it is exposed to the elements postcircumcision, due to a callusing-type process called keratinization. The foreskin naturally slides over the ridge of the penis during sex, producing heavenly sensations for the man and reducing friction for the woman. 0% of routine infant circumcisions are indicated. When referring to a medical intervention, the term “indicated” applies to a treatment/intervention that is required because a particular condition is present. Infant circumcision is performed only on healthy infants who do not have a condition requiring circumcision, so there is no “indication” to perform a circumcision. Routine infant circumcision has been called “cosmetic,” “prophyllactic,” “elective,”or “social” “Hygiene of the uncircumcised child is so complicated.” Bullshit. In fact, as all paediatric organizations indicate, nothing could be further from the truth. It is indeed this single outdated myth (practically a superstition) — to the effect that the parent must forcibly “open” the child’s foreskin to cleanse it — that has been the source of the majority of foreskin problems (infections, inflammations, iatrogenic phimosis, paraphimosis) in boys in North America over the course of the twentieth century. The way to go about cleaning the baby’s penis (or that of the child whose glans-foreskin separation process has not yet begun) is to wash the outside of the penis, and not to seek to access and wash inner parts of the penis that cannot easily be seen. Over the course of months or years (depending upon the individual), the foreskin will separate from the glans, and the foreskin opening (the preputial ring) will become wider and more elastic, such that more and more of the glans and the inner lining of the foreskin (or the foreskin mucosa) will become visible upon gentle retraction of the foreskin within the skin’s limits of retractability at the time. In keeping with the safest guidelines, it suffices to rinse with warm (not hot) water the parts of the glans and inner foreskin that one can easily see during a very gentle retraction of the foreskin to its point of resistance. (Note that soap, as well as hot water, can sometimes irritate sensitive mucosal surfaces. If you apply soap to your child’s penis, make sure it is a very mild, that you don’t overuse it, and that you rinse it off well. Moreover, it is unadvised to use a washcloth on the glans and the inner mucosal lining of your child’s foreskin, as a washcloth can irritate the foreskin’s sensitive mucosal inner lining. Note, as well, that bubble-baths or long sessions in soapy or shampoo-filled water can unbalance the pH, causing irritation and inflammation. If your child is given a bubble-bath, consider rinsing with clear water after to remove irritating soap residue.) A very small percentage (1% to 2%) of boys 18 years of age remains with some degree of foreskin non-retractability. This is called phimosis, or even more properly, true phimosis. (Adult true phimosis must be distinguished from childhood physiologic phimosis, this latter representing a normal phase of development prior to the foreskin’s gradual, spontaneous separation from the glans. Besides having an exquisite sensitivity, the foreskin appears to play a major role in triggering orgasm. The muscles that produce an orgasm automatically contract when the foreskin is pulled back during penetration........an evolutionary purpose, to encourage the deep thrusting that fires sperm directly into the cervix, improving the chance of conception. I appreciate the added sense of revelation a foreskin can bring to sex, making a hard-on not only a sexual display but also a kind of unveiling, as the head of the penis is dramatically bared as it hardens. Penile cancer is truly a wretched disease, but it is also a rare one, with only 1,500 cases a year, and 200 to 300 deaths, in the United States, most of them in old men. SMiles the most important six inches in sex are the ones between your ears. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lister55 0 #44 March 18, 2004 One of the big problems now with the uncircumcised men is actually with STD's. The problem is with things like herpes and HPV. Turns out the foreskin forms a nice environment for infections to get pretty bad, and outbreaks to be worse and more often. Quote Of course the solution to this problem is teach your kid not to stick it in things that are not trust worthy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #45 March 18, 2004 I voted no. If it were a girl would you be asking whether you should subject her to a clitorectomy? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #46 March 18, 2004 Quote One of the big problems now with the uncircumcised men is actually with STD's. The problem is with things like herpes and HPV. Turns out the foreskin forms a nice environment for infections to get pretty bad, and outbreaks to be worse and more often. Quote Of course the solution to this problem is teach your kid not to stick it in things that are not trust worthy. Yes, and as we can see by the rates of infection of STDs like Herpes, HIV, HPV, HTLV, gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, etc., the rate of infection is the same as with smallpox and polio. Education helps, doesn't it. No unwanted pregnancies or STD's anywhere in the US or Europe, are there? On top of that, apparently circumcision dulls the sensation. This may explain my ability to last a long time. I always thougth women like that. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflying 0 #47 March 18, 2004 I would definitely go for having it done. For both hygiene reasons and also because children can be cruel to those who don't. And if he ever wants to have it done later in life -- it will really hurt. I had a friend do it when he was a teenager and itwas sooo painful Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lister55 0 #48 March 18, 2004 And if he ever wants to have it done later in life -- it will really hurt. I had a friend do it when he was a teenager and itwas sooo painful Quote Any notice that everyone knows someone who had done in thier teens? Yet no one has had it done in thier teens. Is this some sort of urban legend?.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,569 #49 March 18, 2004 Holy crap I had no idea things were like that in the States. I live in the UK and I know no one that has been circumcised (myself included), I think its pretty much just a religious thing over here, I thought it was like that everywhere. Shuddering at the thought of people trying to cut bits off me now! yikes.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #50 March 19, 2004 No No No No No & No. Uneccessary. I know one guy who is and is really pissed about it. Do it if there is a valid reason but if not read the baby strapped down cut post above and avoid. I am uncut, clean and happy. I also can't believe I just posted that on a public board. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
