Circumcision

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The Old Testament was very specific about this sort of thing (Please see Exodus, Kings, Samuel).

The New Testament, however, says something very different:

1. For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

2. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.

3. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

4. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

5. For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.

6. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

7. You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?

8. This persuasion is not from him who calls you.

9. A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

10. I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view than mine, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is.
11. But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed.

12. I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!

--The Apostle Paul's Letter to the Galatians, Ch. 5

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[skydyvr 0]

Oh great, yet ANOTHER anteater vs. helmet head debate.

For god's sake people this is a skydiving site! Aren't there any penis related forums out there for this??

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[SkyAnt 0]

I think thats more of a question for the ladies. Do they like their men cut or uncut?
I dont really miss it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

[IanHarrop 42]

Most of the reasons for getting this done are effectively myths at this time. Most of the world lives on with out getting cut.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[kallend 2,117]

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I think thats more of a question for the ladies. Do they like their men cut or uncut?
I dont really miss it.

How do you know?

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[kallend 2,117]

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One of the big problems now with the uncircumcised men is actually with STD's. The problem is with things like herpes and HPV. Turns out the foreskin forms a nice environment for infections to get pretty bad, and outbreaks to be worse and more often.

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Of course the solution to this problem is teach your kid not to stick it in things that are not trust worthy.

My emphasis added. Lots of body parts can become infected. The solution is not to amputate them at birth. The American Academy of Pediatrics is adamant that no case can be made for circumcision for health reasons. I don't think any other country's medical profession even considers it needs to make such a statement.

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[kallend 2,117]

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I'm not sure I could handle more pleasure! lol but its something to think of.

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The bad news - yes you can!

The good news - you'll never know what you missed.

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[rhino 0]

This was an issue that was raised before my son was born..

We chose not to get him circumsized. That whole cleanliness thing is a crock of shit. The foreskin HELPS keep him clean. He has never even been red or slightly irritated in 9 months..

Do a search for the videos or circumcision. Watch what they would do to your child. They strap his arms and legs down and lop off a piece of skin that he was meant to have.. Birth and thereafter isn't suppose to be a hellacious process for a newborn. They develope neuropathways in their brains very early. That panic, emergency experience is simply unecessary.

More and more parents these days are chosing not to have their children cirsumsized.

That would be like cutting the clit out of a female baby? That would be completely unecessary..

I was circumsized.. So was my son Daniel.. Why? Because I didn't do my homework and because "I was that way".. I thought that was just what you had done.

I was wrong.. Our son Ethan will be able to make that choice himself when he grows up. Even if he is 16 and has to go through the process that is better than a baby doing it with no coping skills.

I would vote against it. All the reasons people list are MYTHS.. Watch the video. When I saw the HORROR that newborn baby went through I was out for good.

A newborn shouldn't have to do that and we don't have the right to make the decision to have BILLIONS of "pleasure" type skin cells cut off of their bodies.

Rhino

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I chose circumcision for my son. To date he hasn't told me he wishes I hadn't made that choice for him.

I made that same mistake with my first son.. Studies show that men that get circumsized later in life lose a CONSIDERABLE amount of pleasure. Almost to the point of missery. Our sons won't complain because they won't EVER know what they might me missing..

Rhino

[PlayDough 0]

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Removal of labia and clitoris from girl children eliminates a bundle of problems in the teenage years too.

Just pray to the gods for your daughter to be
un-attractive. She'll always be beautiful in your eyes... but she'll be a lot easier to manage.

I'm only teasing of course.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

Well, the truth or falsehood of all the cleanliness/health/hygiene claims notwithstanding, I was circumcised and for me it is just the "right" look for a penis. Not that I go looking at penises. I just am very used to mine and so that is what looks "right" to me.

It sure as hell is a strange fuckin' thing to ever have become traditional and common. I mean, WTF?! Cutting skin off a penis?! What IS the Jewish religious rationale for it??
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

k^ 't think cleanliness is really an issue anymore, is it? My understanding is that most of the nerve endings in the penis are in the foreskin, you lose that, you lose a whole lot of sensation. Wish I knew what I was missing out on

[jb092 0]

I agree with skyant I dont remeber when I was cut so I cant say if it hurt. I would say ask your wife and see what she thinks. My wife is for it so if we have a son he will be cut.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Tonto 1]

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I vote yes. . .I had a cousin who had a problem and had to be circumsized at 15. . .it was apparently very painful then.

Ummm... Like it's not painful to be genitally mutilated on the order of your parents when you've just been born? (and the same parents who say it's OK to cut a section of your penis off can't sign a waiver for you to do a Tandem?) Some laws are fucked up...

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It's the year of the Pig.

[ernokaikkonen 0]

For fucks sake will you people stop comparing circumcision to female genital mutilation??? Cutting off the glans would be comparable to that.

I agree that given the current recommendations by doctors circumcision probably shouldn't be done as a routine procedure, but there are valid medical and religious reason for doing it. Circumcised men live their lives very much like the uncircumcised ones.

Try and get some perspective before you go around yelling "MUTILATION"!!!

[Tonto 1]

I was mutilated dude! (If I knew you better... I'd show you my scars!)

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[Ripple 0]

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I was mutilated dude! (If I knew you better... I'd show you my scars!)

t

Scars? scars? Did someone mention scars? Can we compare?

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[ernokaikkonen 0]

I was circumcised when I was little. I have no problems with that.

I mutilated my leg at Margate about a year ago. It's almost as good as the other one now.

[SkyDivaChristie 0]

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I dont think its any less painfull young, but we just dont remember it....

They use a board with straps and indentations to hold the baby. No anesthesia, except for maybe local (not universal). Babies aren't very strong, after all.

Wendy W.

I would not put my baby through that. Personally, I don't think the question is whether he remembers it when he's older or not. The fact is, it is traumatic. The birth process is traumatic enough, I don't think it's necessary to prolong that for (let's be honest here) aesthetics.

not jumping sux

[Skyrad 0]

Points 6 and 2 contradict themselves.
Chop Chop!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Chizazz 0]

Cut that shit OFF

[jfields 0]

I think all the tales of trauma are a little silly.

Babies cry when you give them immunizations too. Should we stop that because it isn't a warm lovey cozy feeling?

There are pros and cons to circumcision. Generally, the good outweighs the bad. It shouldn't be mandatory, but there isn't anything wrong with it.

I really don't understand why some of you people are getting all worked up.

[Tonto 1]

Ripple... If you have scars where I have scars, we're not going to be comparing ANYTHING!

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[Skyrad 0]

There is alot of evidence to show that circumsicion carried out by medical staff in a sterile enviroment does have health benifits in later life. As it is a surgical procedure it does of course still carry a degree of risk, mainly infection but with proper care this risk is minimal. Circumsicied men are less likely to carry and develope STDs including HIV, Herpes, Syphilis, et al. Circumcision can now be carried out by laser surgery with effective results.
Another advantage is you done end up looking like the last turkey in the window at Christmas

But see for yourself:

HIV risk greater for uncircumcised men.
AIDS Patient Care STDS. 2003 Dec;17(12):670. No abstract available.
PMID: 14748364 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The male role in cervical cancer.
Salud Publica Mex. 2003;45 Suppl 3:S345-53.
PMID: 14746027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Expression of DC-SIGN in human foreskin may facilitate sexual transmission of HIV.
J Clin Pathol. 2004 Jan;57(1):77-8.
PMID: 14693841 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Uncircumcised men have high HIV risk.
AIDS Read. 2003 Nov;13(11):512. No abstract available.
PMID: 14649619 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Childhood circumcision: review of the evidence]
An Pediatr (Barc). 2003 Nov;59(5):448-53. Review. Spanish.
PMID: 14588217 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Risk factors for infection with herpes simplex virus type 2: role of smoking, douching, uncircumcised males, and vaginal flora.
Sex Transm Dis. 2003 May;30(5):405-10.
PMID: 12916131 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Potential for an intervention based on male circumcision in a South African town with high levels of HIV infection.
AIDS Care. 2003 Jun;15(3):315-27.
PMID: 12828151 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Male circumcision: an acceptable strategy for HIV prevention in Botswana.
Sex Transm Infect. 2003 Jun;79(3):214-9.
PMID: 12794204 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Carbon dioxide laser circumcisions for children.
Pediatr Surg Int. 2003 Apr;19(1-2):11-3. Epub 2003 Jan 09.
PMID: 12721714 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Correlates of human herpesvirus 8 seropositivity among heterosexual men in Kenya.
AIDS. 2002 Oct 18;16(15):2073-8.
PMID: 12370507 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Circumcision reduces risk of HIV infection. Conference coverage (Vancouver).
Sex Wkly Plus. 1996;(Sample No):13.
PMID: 12320360 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Risk factors for genital HPV DNA in men resemble those found in women: a study of male attendees at a Danish STD clinic.
Sex Transm Infect. 2002 Jun;78(3):215-8.
PMID: 12238658 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Before responding to this post please read

How not to argue about circumcision.
Am J Bioeth. 2003 Spring;3(2):W1. No abstract available.
PMID: 14635630 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[meatmissile 0]

Many women told me that they prefer performing oral sex on circumcised men.

Do you really need any additional reasons? Do your boy a favour, circumcise him as soon as possible.

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