VanillaSkyGirl 6 #26 April 20, 2004 Like everyone else has written, I am also a bit confused by this whole thing, but I can sympathize. It sounds pretty awful. I'm sending you and your friend, who's being stalked, many positive thoughts and hugs, Michele. Hang in there, girl. You will both be in my prayers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #27 April 20, 2004 QuoteMy goodness?!?!?! Do you want a "how-to manual" for doing bad stuff to be put up there? I was just commenting that I think it's a little extreme that people are emptying out their entire profiles simply because of an anonymous under-detailed stalker report. I mean...that shit happens online all the time...and it's never made me want to take down my info before, so why should it now? That's all. Either way...I hope your friend gets it sorted out Michele. The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #28 April 20, 2004 QuoteYour girly giggle will give you away. I would only giggle later. You can't run away and giggle at the same time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #29 April 20, 2004 Quoteit's never made me want to take down my info before I'm not sure if it's still up anywhere, but I remember HH annoucing that crawlers would be snooping the forums - don't put anything there you don't want viewable for years to come (Clay has no shot at politics.... ever) That being said - anytime you put information anywhere on the internet, people can and will get to it if they want. It's really easy to take a small bit of info about someone, and turn it into everything you ever wanted to know about them - down to how much they paid for their house it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #30 April 20, 2004 You know, what is in your profile is nothing compared to the info you can get from a quick search of posts that were made by you. I do it all the time when I'm trying to figure out if someone who posted something really is a dumb ass or just mis-guided. I've been on here for 3 years, and you can probably figure out quite a bit about me from my posts. What I look like, when is my b-day, what is my favorite drink, where I like to hang out (well when I was in TX anyway). *shrug* Personally I'm not to worried, I work for a company with a very good internet security team (online stalking), and Derek carries a gun (real life stalking). btw...PM if your friend needs some help with the online side, I may be able to help.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #31 April 20, 2004 QuoteI've been on here for 3 years, and you can probably figure out quite a bit about me from my posts. What I look like, when is my b-day, what is my favorite drink, where I like to hang out (well when I was in TX anyway). You all know I'm very open about my life. If this had happened to me, I'd be telling you all - in a very long post - exactly what happened. This isn't about me. It's about someone else, and it's a bullshit thing to have had happened. I don't have all the details, and I'm sorry some have thought I'm being cryptic. Not intentionally. But realize I've felt strongly enough to make a post, and to suggest that folks be aware of what can happen, if someone decided to do it. I don't think jump #'s, license numbers, and ratings would be able to be used. Perhaps things like dropzones, full names, cities (I dunno, states, maybe?), and whatnot, is more along the lines of "personally identifying info" if you are looking for a measure of privacy. Anne, it's not about fear. It's about something else. I don't believe the person who this happened to is in any kind of danger, or I'd've been more strident...I do think it's about being aware of what can be found. If you're comfy, rock on! Just be aware of what you post, and if there is something perhaps a tad too private, don't post it? And maybe don't include it in your profile... And yes, I'm still beyond furious. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #32 April 20, 2004 QuoteYou know, what is in your profile is nothing compared to the info you can get from a quick search of posts that were made by you. Agreed. I remember how I first came across you online, Kelli. I read one of your posts and saw your website in your profile. I decided to write to you via your website because you seemed to be an experienced jumper who was approximately my size. Thank God that I had you to write to when I was a student with questions! Your cyber friendship and shared knowledge/experience has had a huge impact on me, Kelli! You're so wonderful, girl! Thank you, again, for having been so supportive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #33 April 20, 2004 Quote Agreed. I remember how I first came across you online, Kelli. I read one of your posts and saw your website in your profile. I decided to write to you via your website because you seemed to be an experienced jumper who was approximately my size. Thank God that I had you to write to when I was a student with questions! Your cyber friendship and shared knowledge/experience has had a huge impact on me, Kelli! You're so wonderful, girl! Thank you, again, for having been so supportive. *hugs* I'm so glad you found me too, and I'm so glad that I've had the answers you needed. We still need to go climbing in Red Rocks, although Moab is now on my list also.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BoostedXT 0 #34 April 20, 2004 Think before you post........thats all.....simple things can snowball and get crazy... Like me marrying SkyB...lol. Anyways... I have been on about 10 message boards for the past 5 years and you learn 1 thing really fast. It doesnt matter what hobby you all share, or interests....people in this society are getting sicker and sicker. Its screw over your best friend, cheat on your lover, steal from your neighbor......but go to church on sunday. I have friends who post photos of themselves racing their cars on drag strips, autoX events, and track days.....insurance companies lurked boards and then sent notices to people who posted the photos saying their insurance was canceled. Car companies have done the same thing to deny warranty claims. People can find anything they want out about you...all they have to do is look hard enough.... JoeFor long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #35 April 20, 2004 QuotePersonally I'd like to have a whole lot more detail about what happened and to who before I'd do that. But that's just me... if I wanted total privacy I wouldn't be posting on a forum on the internet. I guess because I know Michele and am sure she would not post bullshit, is the reason I decided to empty my profile for now. Besides, I really don't think anyone really cares what is in my profile. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #36 April 20, 2004 I don't really care, there's nothing in my profile that can't be easily tracked down anywhere else, so it doesn't really bother me. Then again, I've never had any problems with people "stalking" me, I guess that's a side effect to not being what most folks call "attractive." --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #37 April 20, 2004 LOL, Michele sounds like Tom Ridge giving out those vague meaningless warnings. "I don't know when. I don't know where. I don't know how. But soon something bad will happen." Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #38 April 20, 2004 I put everything on my profile, my address, my phone number, and if someone wants my blood type, they can have that too. If anyone wants to use that info...go right ahead. I could care less. There is lots of info about me and who really cares...I don't. If there is some kind of a meaningful plot that you are aware of, then fill everyone in. Your vague post is confusing to everyone ...but you. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #39 April 20, 2004 Very sad. There are some sick bastards out there. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #40 April 20, 2004 Michele, if you really feel the need to keep your information more private, don't forget about your license number. It's as good as a last name to anyone with some back issues of parachutist (does anyone throw em out?). I've always chosen not to put my last name or license number in my profile, but I'm barely anonymous. I bet anyone that wanted either of those could find them within 10 minutes. But I can at least be proud I wasted 10 minutes of their time! But if you're gonna post here and not be 100% anonymous, at least the locals will know who you are. And they're the ones ya gotta worry about most anyway. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GravityAddicts 0 #41 April 20, 2004 Timmy . . .TimmyTimmy. ... Timmy? Tiiimmyyy!!! Timmy Timmy Timmy!! Timmmyyyy ...T I M M Y. Timmy, TIMMY "thats all I understood out of this forum" Good example of a society in FEAR . . . people us skydivers dont live like this . . . f@ck FEAR!! <------------> Gravity Addict #3; Hispa #9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Staso 0 #42 April 20, 2004 i think we should add another field to our profiles: paranoia level. stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #43 April 20, 2004 Quote There are thieves among us, there are rapists among us, there are liars and cheats among us. Just because you're a skydiver doesn't mean you're a good person or make you trustworthy. Sad, but true. Sometimes we all can be naive and think that because someone shares that "brotherly bond of skydiving", that erases all of the horrible things they're capable of. People are people, and some people are worse than others. Even though our sport is generally one of love and friendship, we must remember to keep out eyes open. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites catfishhunter 2 #44 April 20, 2004 How long have you been on the internet? Sorry for your frustration but what did you think? Dropzone.com wasn't REALLY on the internet? Everything that is on the net is open to EVERYONE that has access to the net. that means Pimps, theives, whores,murderers etc etc etc...And to think that none of them would be involved in Sky Diving is just plain naive. Here is a link to dropzone.com way back to 1998http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.dropzone.com everything that has ever been is most likely found just from that link. So if you are not comfortable with leaving a permenant trail get off the net... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #45 April 20, 2004 QuoteTimmy . . .TimmyTimmy. ... Timmy? Tiiimmyyy!!! Timmy Timmy Timmy!! Timmmyyyy ...T I M M Y. Timmy, TIMMY "thats all I understood out of this forum" Good example of a society in FEAR . . . people us skydivers dont live like this . . . f@ck FEAR!! Had to respond to this one for obvious reasons. The part I disagree with is the last 2 words. f@ck fear. Many things cause fear either physical or mental. Fear is a survival instinct. It's a reaction to danger or perceived danger. Skydivers are just another human animal that reacts to fear with the same fight or flight instinct as any other animal. The only difference is that humans are the only species to put themselves in danger intentionally. What ever caused the post, doesn't matter. However, fear is real. Women especially, are harassed in one-way or another their entire lives. Some more than others. The Internet puts anything and everything out there. Look at my profile. It's not chalk full of info but it wouldn't take rocket science to find me. If I were in Hiding, and I put my name and address on dz.com, it wouldn't surprise me how quickly someone found me. So as far as the reasoning (whatever that is) behind the original post, that's a bummer. However if you put any information out on the Internet, it will be found. Be angry all you want if someone finds it, but there should be zero percent surprise.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #46 April 20, 2004 QuoteVery sad. There are some sick bastards out there. Ok, now that's a personal attack on about 30 people here. No wait, if they really are sick bastards does that count? Michelle - How about the story with names changed so we can understand what's up? I learned quite a bit from Canuck's issue and 'vagued' up my profile as a result - so this could help the rest of us. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GravityAddicts 0 #47 April 20, 2004 Timmy, Timmy??!!! Timmy!!!!! Fear defense mechanism??? try common sense and logic to protect your assets. Tiimmmyyy!!! Man I love Timmy!! But Cartman is tha Man!!! "Screw you "Fear" I am going home!! <------------> Gravity Addict #3; Hispa #9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #48 April 20, 2004 Again, it hasn't anything to do with me personally, or there'd be a ton of details...and those of you who know me know I'd dearly love to hand out the details, but it's not my call....I recognize that some people are thinking I'm paranoid, or whatever. Fine. Something happened to someone else, and while it is not physical threats in any way, it is a problem for the person it happened to. Me? I'm fine with everything I've put here. If it can be used against me, and someone wants to go to that trouble, fine. The premise of the post was to get people to be aware of things they may not otherwise be aware of - and to take precaution should they want; recognizing that things can be taken out of context and used against someone if someone so chooses. Sometimes, there are reasons to play things close to the vest... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Staso 0 #49 April 20, 2004 Quote I recognize that some people are thinking I'm paranoid, or whatever. Fine. ... Something happened to someone else, and while it is not physical threats in any way, it is a problem for the person it happened to. i think now everybody should be paranoid. because something happened to somebody don't consider this as a personal attack, but we got 2 pages of ambiguity, nobody knows what's going on and what you warn us about. to be careful about your identity ? it's common sence, everybody should ! but without any details, this warning is useless. some things are not as big of a deal as some people might think. would we skydive if were that concern about everything ? not every little thing in life deserves a drama. stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... 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skycat 0 #33 April 20, 2004 Quote Agreed. I remember how I first came across you online, Kelli. I read one of your posts and saw your website in your profile. I decided to write to you via your website because you seemed to be an experienced jumper who was approximately my size. Thank God that I had you to write to when I was a student with questions! Your cyber friendship and shared knowledge/experience has had a huge impact on me, Kelli! You're so wonderful, girl! Thank you, again, for having been so supportive. *hugs* I'm so glad you found me too, and I'm so glad that I've had the answers you needed. We still need to go climbing in Red Rocks, although Moab is now on my list also.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoostedXT 0 #34 April 20, 2004 Think before you post........thats all.....simple things can snowball and get crazy... Like me marrying SkyB...lol. Anyways... I have been on about 10 message boards for the past 5 years and you learn 1 thing really fast. It doesnt matter what hobby you all share, or interests....people in this society are getting sicker and sicker. Its screw over your best friend, cheat on your lover, steal from your neighbor......but go to church on sunday. I have friends who post photos of themselves racing their cars on drag strips, autoX events, and track days.....insurance companies lurked boards and then sent notices to people who posted the photos saying their insurance was canceled. Car companies have done the same thing to deny warranty claims. People can find anything they want out about you...all they have to do is look hard enough.... JoeFor long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #35 April 20, 2004 QuotePersonally I'd like to have a whole lot more detail about what happened and to who before I'd do that. But that's just me... if I wanted total privacy I wouldn't be posting on a forum on the internet. I guess because I know Michele and am sure she would not post bullshit, is the reason I decided to empty my profile for now. Besides, I really don't think anyone really cares what is in my profile. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #36 April 20, 2004 I don't really care, there's nothing in my profile that can't be easily tracked down anywhere else, so it doesn't really bother me. Then again, I've never had any problems with people "stalking" me, I guess that's a side effect to not being what most folks call "attractive." --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #37 April 20, 2004 LOL, Michele sounds like Tom Ridge giving out those vague meaningless warnings. "I don't know when. I don't know where. I don't know how. But soon something bad will happen." Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #38 April 20, 2004 I put everything on my profile, my address, my phone number, and if someone wants my blood type, they can have that too. If anyone wants to use that info...go right ahead. I could care less. There is lots of info about me and who really cares...I don't. If there is some kind of a meaningful plot that you are aware of, then fill everyone in. Your vague post is confusing to everyone ...but you. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #39 April 20, 2004 Very sad. There are some sick bastards out there. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #40 April 20, 2004 Michele, if you really feel the need to keep your information more private, don't forget about your license number. It's as good as a last name to anyone with some back issues of parachutist (does anyone throw em out?). I've always chosen not to put my last name or license number in my profile, but I'm barely anonymous. I bet anyone that wanted either of those could find them within 10 minutes. But I can at least be proud I wasted 10 minutes of their time! But if you're gonna post here and not be 100% anonymous, at least the locals will know who you are. And they're the ones ya gotta worry about most anyway. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityAddicts 0 #41 April 20, 2004 Timmy . . .TimmyTimmy. ... Timmy? Tiiimmyyy!!! Timmy Timmy Timmy!! Timmmyyyy ...T I M M Y. Timmy, TIMMY "thats all I understood out of this forum" Good example of a society in FEAR . . . people us skydivers dont live like this . . . f@ck FEAR!! <------------> Gravity Addict #3; Hispa #9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #42 April 20, 2004 i think we should add another field to our profiles: paranoia level. stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #43 April 20, 2004 Quote There are thieves among us, there are rapists among us, there are liars and cheats among us. Just because you're a skydiver doesn't mean you're a good person or make you trustworthy. Sad, but true. Sometimes we all can be naive and think that because someone shares that "brotherly bond of skydiving", that erases all of the horrible things they're capable of. People are people, and some people are worse than others. Even though our sport is generally one of love and friendship, we must remember to keep out eyes open. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #44 April 20, 2004 How long have you been on the internet? Sorry for your frustration but what did you think? Dropzone.com wasn't REALLY on the internet? Everything that is on the net is open to EVERYONE that has access to the net. that means Pimps, theives, whores,murderers etc etc etc...And to think that none of them would be involved in Sky Diving is just plain naive. Here is a link to dropzone.com way back to 1998http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.dropzone.com everything that has ever been is most likely found just from that link. So if you are not comfortable with leaving a permenant trail get off the net... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #45 April 20, 2004 QuoteTimmy . . .TimmyTimmy. ... Timmy? Tiiimmyyy!!! Timmy Timmy Timmy!! Timmmyyyy ...T I M M Y. Timmy, TIMMY "thats all I understood out of this forum" Good example of a society in FEAR . . . people us skydivers dont live like this . . . f@ck FEAR!! Had to respond to this one for obvious reasons. The part I disagree with is the last 2 words. f@ck fear. Many things cause fear either physical or mental. Fear is a survival instinct. It's a reaction to danger or perceived danger. Skydivers are just another human animal that reacts to fear with the same fight or flight instinct as any other animal. The only difference is that humans are the only species to put themselves in danger intentionally. What ever caused the post, doesn't matter. However, fear is real. Women especially, are harassed in one-way or another their entire lives. Some more than others. The Internet puts anything and everything out there. Look at my profile. It's not chalk full of info but it wouldn't take rocket science to find me. If I were in Hiding, and I put my name and address on dz.com, it wouldn't surprise me how quickly someone found me. So as far as the reasoning (whatever that is) behind the original post, that's a bummer. However if you put any information out on the Internet, it will be found. Be angry all you want if someone finds it, but there should be zero percent surprise.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #46 April 20, 2004 QuoteVery sad. There are some sick bastards out there. Ok, now that's a personal attack on about 30 people here. No wait, if they really are sick bastards does that count? Michelle - How about the story with names changed so we can understand what's up? I learned quite a bit from Canuck's issue and 'vagued' up my profile as a result - so this could help the rest of us. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityAddicts 0 #47 April 20, 2004 Timmy, Timmy??!!! Timmy!!!!! Fear defense mechanism??? try common sense and logic to protect your assets. Tiimmmyyy!!! Man I love Timmy!! But Cartman is tha Man!!! "Screw you "Fear" I am going home!! <------------> Gravity Addict #3; Hispa #9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #48 April 20, 2004 Again, it hasn't anything to do with me personally, or there'd be a ton of details...and those of you who know me know I'd dearly love to hand out the details, but it's not my call....I recognize that some people are thinking I'm paranoid, or whatever. Fine. Something happened to someone else, and while it is not physical threats in any way, it is a problem for the person it happened to. Me? I'm fine with everything I've put here. If it can be used against me, and someone wants to go to that trouble, fine. The premise of the post was to get people to be aware of things they may not otherwise be aware of - and to take precaution should they want; recognizing that things can be taken out of context and used against someone if someone so chooses. Sometimes, there are reasons to play things close to the vest... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #49 April 20, 2004 Quote I recognize that some people are thinking I'm paranoid, or whatever. Fine. ... Something happened to someone else, and while it is not physical threats in any way, it is a problem for the person it happened to. i think now everybody should be paranoid. because something happened to somebody don't consider this as a personal attack, but we got 2 pages of ambiguity, nobody knows what's going on and what you warn us about. to be careful about your identity ? it's common sence, everybody should ! but without any details, this warning is useless. some things are not as big of a deal as some people might think. would we skydive if were that concern about everything ? not every little thing in life deserves a drama. stan. -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #50 April 20, 2004 QuoteI don't really care, there's nothing in my profile that can't be easily tracked down anywhere else, so it doesn't really bother me. Then again, I've never had any problems with people "stalking" me, I guess that's a side effect to not being what most folks call "attractive." I'm with this guy. The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
