found: naked male teen in my yard-

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Pulled into my driveway at 5 a.m. to find a male laying naked in my yard??? Trying to get response was impossible, his heart was beating, had shallow breathing- but no response. Called 911 and before police and ambulance arrived, to take him to emergency- he 'came' to...saying he felt like he had been in hell.

He did not know his name- new he had taken 'E' at a party, had no memory of anything. He explained he had found a place of 'nothingness' in the centre of his brain. He was awake but said he felt like he was dreaming- then he slipped away comatose again as police and ambulance pulled in.

So- I've done some studying to find something I had never heard of called Ketamine..'vitamin K, special K, or the 'rape' drug. Ecstasy tablets are commonly found to contain several types of drugs in different combination including MDMA, MDA, MA, ketamine, diazepam, caffeine.....

Ketamine or ketamine hydrochloride, is a non-barbiturate, rapid acting disassociative anesthetic used in vets to put animals to sleep and is being abused by an increasing number of young people as a club drug, distributed at raves and parties.

Ketamine is similar molecularly to PCP or Angel Dust. Ketamine produces a dissociative state. User feels hallucinogenic effects and experiences impaired perception. When it is swallowed, the drug is absorbed into the blood which goes to the liver first where it is changed to norketamine and effect is sedation. Commonly elicits an out of body or near death experience, it can render the user comatose. This stage is refered to as the 'k-hole' where since the drug is an anesthetic it stops the user from feeling any pain- leading to user inadvertantly causing injury to themselves.

So---anybody else heard about the 'k-hole'????

SMiles

[dixieskydiver 0]

I saw something about it on ER one time. A 13 year old girl was taking it and letting a bunch of guys go at her. It made me want to vomit. The very thought that that is probably happening somewhere and that drugs are making their way into school like they are makes me want to vomit. I've heard from school kids in the area where I grew up saying that knew kids that smoke crack and do hard drugs. Thats scary scary shit.

Dixie
HISPA #56 Facil Rodriguez
"Scientific research has shown that 60% of the time, it works every time."

[Misslmperfect 0]

briefly after HS i got pretty caught up in the club scene/rave scene whatever. "X" can have the same effects as ketamine on a user - he may have only taken what he said he took. its a scary thing...and kids still think its harmless, until they get stuck in that 'hole'....or worse

Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison!

[TomAiello 26]

Street "Special K" is scary stuff. Quality is variable, and the experience isn't much fun.

On the other hand, medical grade Ketamine is probably the most intense hallucinogenic experience I've ever had. It's all just flyin' your body.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[Muenkel 0]

Do you happen to know if the kid survived?

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[damion75 0]

Yep - I know of that stuff. They use it (as you said) to knock out horses. It is pretty disturbing that kids are using it now...

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[Misslmperfect 0]

more common than that actually....its used for small animals too. a ketamine mixture is used to knock out just about every animal we performed surgery on at my clinic. as a matter of fact, a HS kid was fired and, i believe, prosecuted for stealing it from our clinic before i started there. its everywhere and easy to get your hands on..thats the scariest part.

Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison!

[wingnut 0]

dude i went to basic training with was talking about "special-k" was teling how it was big at parties/raves and such..... had never heard of it in my little town in ohio untill i went to basic, he was from the DC/Virgina area where it was more popular... this was back in 98; have heard things about it on the news since.....

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[skymick 0]

mmm ketamine is good shite...had a mixture of that and morphine while at hospital...now they were a few good days

[BASE813 0]

In the early 90's I was into the illegal UK rave scene. I was once sold Ketamine in place of E - and the experience was scarey - more so than my heaviest and badest trip. I was a regular heavy user of E and even with this usage, I found the K experience hard to handle and deal with. It was intensly hallucinogenic both visually and mentally - but not in a way that acid is. I found it a very very dark experience with alot of feelings and visuals relating to death. People talk of "the hole" and I can say that this is a very strange place - sometimes curious sometimes extrememly scarey. At the start of the evening there were 4 of us on the way to a party, only 2 of us bought these types of pill - within an half hour we 2 knew something was different to what we were on - we left the others and went off on our own to deal with it - we both lived the same thoughts and feelings and visuals (yes I know that you can trip together in the same way and feed off each other - but this was different) - Although interesting in a strange way, I would never wish to relive this - my friend that I was with could not handle it after sometime and he got someone to call him an ambulance (he then called every 30 secs as his perception of time really was fucked) - he was in a state where he was sure that death was not far away, I was left alone to experience the effects - it was hard - I guess it would be different if you expect it but I was expecting an E experience and what I was given was not anything like it - luckily I knew enough to recognise what was happening and how to deal with it - and occasionally enjoy it - some others may not be as lucky - I have heard of people spiking drinks with K or LSD on non-users and this in my mind is one of the most evil things you can do to someone.

For your information I no longer take any form of illicit drug - but thats another story!!
PS) anyone read the Carlos Casteneda books?

[Dbriggs 0]

When I graduated in 2002 there was an increasing number of my fellow classmates who were hooked on hard drugs, not just weed. You could tell the difference from them before lunch break to after lunch break. It was alarming to see 16-18 year old kids hooked on assorted hard drugs. I have a friend who lives in an appartment complex where a 13 year old girl is smoking crack on a daily basis. How did she get the drugs??? If you guessed her parents you are correct. She is so hooked on it now that my friend is telling me stories of this little girl prostituting just to have the money to get high. What the hell are the "future" doing here?? Even people of my age group are falling victim to hard drugs, many who started at a younger age(high school). It is hard to see someone you went to school with walking down the street tripping out on some tweek. Its more than hard, it is disgusting. Im sure that there is more that the government could do to combat the hard drugs or violent drugs. Leave those who smoke the herb alone. That is not a violent drug. Ever seen someone stoned kill someone or rob another person....No. All that person wants is some food and to chill. But those who are whacked out on tweek or these new drugs that kill. That there my friend is another story. But to combat these hard drugs takes more than the government is truely able to do. It takes people with self disipline and confidence to refuse use. That is the only way to truely combat drugs.

[akarunway 1]

Ketamine is also used (or was) in burn hospitals. Friend of mine was badly burned in the 70's and they had him whacked out on that stuff when they did the burnt flesh removal. He didn't have a clue. Wicked stuff

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[TomAiello 26]

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He didn't have a clue. Wicked stuff

Definitely. I bet if you had someone on a full dose of medical ketamine, you could amputate a limb and they wouldn't notice. In fact, I'm sure of it, because they use it for that.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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Well, sure have found out through searching there is tons of information available. At the same time most users of ecstasy may not be aware of the effects ketamine may have on their mind....
Also have found there are test kits available to check ecstasy but do not understand why ketamine would be 'cut' with the ecstasy? Is it because ketamine is more available for underground labs?? Just take the liquid form of ketamine and add some dye- dry it out to powder and smoke, snort...sell as ketamine...or because of the availability just add some caffeine and sell as ecstasy tablets???

Apparently after an overdose even though the drug is not in the system- the user feels reality to be a dream like state and can drift in and out for a month or more between catatonic where no pain is felt (break bones- fall from heights etc.- driving a vehicle can drift off and cause accident...)

Ketamine is a psychedelic ('mind revealing') drug because it can sometimes reveal aspects of how the mind constructs reality, personality, and a sense of meaning and sacredness, without necessarily inducing a toxic delirium.

The use of ketamine has been linked with a wide range of mental health problems including anxiety, panic attacks, flashbacks, post-traumatic stress disorder, persistent perceptual changes, mania, depression, suicide, insomnia, nightmares, night terrors, an unpleasant feeling of being unreal or that the world is unreal, paranoid delusions, persistent hallucinations, automatic behaviour, fragmentation of the personality and aggression.

Ketamine produces a dose-related progression of effects from a state of dreamy intoxication to delirium accompanied by the inability to move, feel pain or remember what has occurred while under the drug's influence. Hallucinations- it blocks chemical messengers in the brain that carry sensory input; the brain fills the resulting void with visions, dreams, memories, visual distortions, lost sense of time and identity, euphoria, confusion, smells and tastes seem muted, visual perception and sense of touch are amplified. May feel floaty- slightly or far away from your body, numbness in your extremities.

The use of Ketamine can result in profound physical and mental problems including delirium, amnesia, impaired motor function and potentially fatal respiratory problems. Panic, rage and paranoia may also occur. Some people feel paralyzed by the drug, unable to speak without slurring. In addition, one can be submerged in their hallucinations without realizing that they are hallucinating. Eating or drinking before taking the drug can cause vomiting.


There have also been suggestions that long-term use of Ketamine can damage the memory and eyesight of the user, as well as reducing attention span. Frequent use can cause disruptions in consciousness and lead to neuroses or other mental disorders.

A BBC report in May 2003 claimed that medical research had shown that controlled tests on Ketamine users had revealed impaired memory and mild schizophrenia several days after taking the drug.

An overdose of Ketamine will knock you out as if in an operating room. If repeatedly taken in large doses, Ketamine can induce unconsciousness and failure of the cardiovascular system, leading to death.

Ketamine can cause a tremendous psychological dependence and may be physically addicting as well. The dissociation from one's consciousness experienced with Special K (the entrance to "K-Land") can be highly seductive.

Harmful effects: The long-term effects of ketamine have suggested that out-of-body experiences may recur even without additional use of the drug, and psychosis (severe mental instability) can occur.

SMiles

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I saw something about it on ER one time. A 13 year old girl was taking it and letting a bunch of guys go at her. It made me want to vomit. The very thought that that is probably happening somewhere and that drugs are making their way into school like they are makes me want to vomit. I've heard from school kids in the area where I grew up saying that knew kids that smoke crack and do hard drugs. Thats scary scary shit.

On Friday, I was at a busy intersection and noticed two girls at the corner who were trying to get a ride from someone passing. I was at a red light, saw them get turned down, and when one of them made eye contact with me, I took sympathy, and jerked my head like "okay, get in."

They were polite, appreciative and nice. The one in the front seat was 20 and the one in the rear, her sister, was 19. So I took them onto the highway to drop them where they needed to go, even though it was out of my way. Along the drive, I got their story. They're crack addicts.

One of them is supposed to be going to a court-ordered rehabilitation, but instead, they're still on crack. The only good thing about their situation is that at least they're in it together, and are good at watching each other's backs.

It is heart-breaking to me to see these two intelligent, pretty, sweet and friendly girls addicted (since the age of 13) to drugs. I hope that something happens to get them out of that lifestyle. I fear that they can't go long the way they are. They are completely lucid and can talk intelligently about their own situation, right down to the moment-to-moment cravings for more crack. I think I have never seen anything so sad in my life. And they told me they can't see their way out of it -- they can't see a life not on drugs, because they say they don't even know how to deal if they're not on something.

What kind of world is this? This is right here where I live, not some faraway place I don't even think about! This problem is now so incredibly real to me, like I never thought it could be.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[gmanpilot 0]

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What kind of world is this?

That is sad Jeffrey, and I'll tell you what kind of world it is. It's the kind of world where the kindness you extended to those girls was a noble and dangerous idea, especially letting one of them sit behind you. I'm glad it was nothing, but hitchhikers are bad juju. If someone needs help on the side of the road, I'll stop and give them a hand, but I will not pick up a hitchhiker.

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[kansasskydiver 0]

I have been around E before and very glad I've never tried any of that stuff. It's education, reading forums like these, that lead people to not take the drugs. I think the school system should promote anti drug use early on, before you're 13. Get it into their heads from the beginning, don't wait to find out your son/daughter is hooked to try to fix them. That's what I've found to be the biggest problem. Parents sometimes don't want to believe or will never expect their kids to do such a thing and thus never talk to them. My parents never talked to me about drugs, sex, smoking, drinking etc but I got it from my friends. I thankfully only got into smoking (cigs), drinking and sex. Never got into the hardcore drug scene and I'm glad. I will be giving my sisters the "talks" as I know my Dad will fail to do so. I hope to educate them from my mistakes when I was growing up. I didn't do anything too bad, but still stuff I would never want my sisters to do. We'll put it this way, the oldest of my sisters is 10 and she should start getting info on this. I started smoking and drinking when I was 12 and was having sexual relationships when I was 14, my gf was 13. Way to young and I admit it and don't want to see my sisters or kids get into that kind of stuff. I hate to admit to it, but I wish my parents had kept a better eye on me sometimes, I could have not been so lucky

Hello my name is Chris, and I said no to E!

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[3ringheathen 0]

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Ketamine is also used (or was) in burn hospitals. Friend of mine was badly burned in the 70's and they had him whacked out on that stuff when they did the burnt flesh removal. He didn't have a clue. Wicked stuff

Hmmm.
I wish they'd given me that when I had my burns debrided.
The mind is strange. I ended up in a dissociative state all by myself, but it was induced by the intense pain.
That's a little too late in my book.

-Josh

If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me*
*Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams.

[ltdiver 3]

Ecstasy has also been found to hasten the onset of Parkinsons as well.

Article HERE

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[Ncrowe 0]

Well I at least hope those poor lil monkeys had access to some techno music and glow sticks so they could enjoy their brain damaging Estacy binges.

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"Don't Mess Around With the Guy in Shades- Oh No!!! "

[ltdiver 3]

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Well I at least hope those poor lil monkeys had access to some techno music and glow sticks so they could enjoy their brain damage.

I doubt it, since "Brain dopamine cells help control movement, emotional and cognitive responses, and the ability to feel pleasure", and this is what Ecstasy takes away...

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[cloudseeker2001 0]

It's not called XTC for nothing. This poor guy had a really bad trip on whatever he was taking and no friends to help him out either! Poor bastard!

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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What kind of world is this?

That is sad Jeffrey, and I'll tell you what kind of world it is. It's the kind of world where the kindness you extended to those girls was a noble and dangerous idea, especially letting one of them sit behind you. I'm glad it was nothing, but hitchhikers are bad juju. If someone needs help on the side of the road, I'll stop and give them a hand, but I will not pick up a hitchhiker.

Understood. Agreed. However, it was a judgment call; I do not make that type of call often; and it was not actually the most risky call of its type I've made (did this once before with a girl who was almost molested by a guy who was following her about 20 paces behind).

I'm not without a knowledge of how to defend myself, or extricate myself from a situation-gone-bad. On the whole, though, your comments are correct. (BTW, the rear passenger was not directly behind me, she was on the right, sitting with her feet across the seat to the left. Not a "lying in wait" sort of position.)

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"