ChasingBlueSky 0 #1 May 21, 2004 I realize that most people that have WiFi are geeks and they already know the security holes/risks and have taken the basic steps needed.... But this is for the newbies that have one up and running. MobilePC Magazine has a "How To" guide for wireless setup....it's a good read. But here is the bad side: It lists all the default IP's, SSID, and Login Info. True, this info is on the net if you look, but now it is all in one handy place so even the most basic wardrivers can gain access to your network. So, if you thought it wasn't a big deal, and you didn't need to change your default info, you may want to do it._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #2 May 21, 2004 Common knowledge, as you say, but anybody who doesn't take measures to defend their wireless setup kinda deserves whatever they get, imho. There's a guy down my street who hasn't even changed the admin password on his NetGear unit. I've thought about leaving a nasty-gram on his desktop, but I'm not that kind of guy... mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #3 May 21, 2004 i ws trying to connect a work laptop to my home wireless and inadvertantly connected to a neighbour's wireless. no printer shared though. i was going to send him an ad for my new wireless security service!"Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #4 May 21, 2004 QuoteCommon knowledge, as you say, but anybody who doesn't take measures to defend their wireless setup kinda deserves whatever they get, imho. There's a guy down my street who hasn't even changed the admin password on his NetGear unit. I've thought about leaving a nasty-gram on his desktop, but I'm not that kind of guy... agreed..last time i was at a friends house in AZ i could see 4 open networks from the living room....thought breifly about sending them a friendly reminder about WiFi security, but honestly thats a SEP...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #5 May 21, 2004 The least they could do is use the encryption. I use encryption and block all MAC address's other then mine. That forces the hacker to have to spoof a mac address. Wifi is no where near secure no matter what you do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #6 May 21, 2004 QuoteThe least they could do is use the encryption. I use encryption and block all MAC address's other then mine. That forces the hacker to have to spoof a mac address. Wifi is no where near secure no matter what you do. Right, at that point you are keeping out 95% of the Wifi users...if you have pissed off someone enough to get them to sniff your network for an hour just to get in, well, you probably deserve it _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #7 May 21, 2004 Quote But here is the bad side: It lists all the default IP's, SSID, and Login Info. if ya use defult stuff then ya deserve to get what ya get..... i only set mineup with minimal stuf but it sould keep out most everyone... i can get 3 other networks frommy living roomon my laptop... almost thought about canelingmy service an using them... ut then i thought they might notice that i was downloading a shit load of stuff and thier conection was slow..lol... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #8 May 22, 2004 Sooo what you're telling me is that finding out how much porn my neighbor had on her puter by adding my wireless card mac to her linksys wrt54g router was a bad thing? There's a couple kids in the neighborhood that have their playstation on a wireless net too...----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #9 May 22, 2004 computer Question: I've been considering going Wireless. Since my nearest neighbor live's 300 ft from my house (not far enough) and we live 1/3 mile off the main road do I need to be concerned about Wireless security. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #10 May 22, 2004 Do you leave your front door wide open and unlocked all the time?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #11 May 22, 2004 QuoteDo you leave your front door wide open and unlocked all the time? Well as a matter of fact.........But to get thru my unlocked front doorYou have to get past my two pit bulls, a Big Roterweiler, German Shepard, Brown Bear, My girlfriend, wife & mother in law. You get past them I'll help you load the contents of my house in two minutes & I be very happy if you kill me quickly.However in cyber space my 300' death zone around my house won't protect privacy. How close does a cyber snoop have to get to a wireless network to "Walk thru the door" ???? A wireless system is nice but it's not really necessary in my situation. If I don't have it than I don't have to worry about someone breaking into it because it don't exist.R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #12 May 22, 2004 Speaking of wireless.... I'm sitting at gate a19 in Philly's airport.... flight is delayed, I'm annoyed.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #13 May 22, 2004 Well, how far the signal goes depends on a few things: what form of wireless you use, location, strength of broadcast, obstacles/walls that would block/interfer with the signal, or any noise in the environment (cordless phones, microwave, etc). Also, if the wardriver had a directional antenae, it would be easier for them to grab some of your signal. You are not a typical target due to your location, and somehow I think you would notice someone sitting at the end of your driveway with a laptop. But, as you mentioned - you keep your door unlocked but only because you have that protection. It takes no more than 5 minutes to make your WiFi a bit more secure - so just do it and feel a little better about it._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #14 May 22, 2004 QuoteSpeaking of wireless.... I'm sitting at gate a19 in Philly's airport.... flight is delayed, I'm annoyed. Yea, well I am at work and "I'm not even supposed to be here today!"_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #15 May 22, 2004 QuoteWell as a matter of fact.........But to get thru my unlocked front doorYou have to get past my two pit bulls, a Big Roterweiler, German Shepard, Brown Bear, My girlfriend, wife & mother in law. Quote Now that's what I call a firewall! Elvisio "not into home-hacking" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #16 May 22, 2004 I actually appreciate people who leave their wireless networks open. It allows me to get on-line while travelling. There was a group running around in the bay area a while back trying to convince everyone to leave their wireless open, to create a sort of ad-hoc citywide wireless network. You can take precautions to keep your data safe, while giving access to poor wandering souls (like me), who need it.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #17 May 22, 2004 true, but then you can also be prosecuted(perhaps not successfully but the investigation and lawsuit could make life 'far to interesting') if poor wandering souls have malicious intent to others...you may have a hard time proving it wasnt you..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #18 May 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe least they could do is use the encryption. I use encryption and block all MAC address's other then mine. That forces the hacker to have to spoof a mac address. Wifi is no where near secure no matter what you do. Right, at that point you are keeping out 95% of the Wifi users...if you have pissed off someone enough to get them to sniff your network for an hour just to get in, well, you probably deserve it So what do you recommend? Mine is encrypted, I changed the default password and generally don't leave any PCs running when unattended. What else should I do?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #19 May 22, 2004 Disable SSID broadcast. Change the default network address from 192.168.0.1 to something like 192.168.33.1. Change the default login name._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #20 May 23, 2004 Mine reaches 1150 feet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #21 May 23, 2004 QuoteMine reaches 1150 feet Damn I guess I have three options No Wi Fi Line walls windows etc with copper foil Learn how to secure the wi fi system. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #22 May 24, 2004 That is line of sight, no trees, bushes, hills, houses. Any of the such is a signal killer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #23 May 24, 2004 QuoteThat is line of sight, no trees, bushes, hills, houses. Any of the such is a signal killer. Thanks for the clarification, It makes a big difference in my situation. The no Wi fi option seem the best. If I don't have it the CIA, FBI, NSA little kids, bad people can't get into it . Don't need to wear a rubber if you don't have sex. I always forget to take the damn thing off when I pee. Don't look up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 May 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteThat is line of sight, no trees, bushes, hills, houses. Any of the such is a signal killer. Thanks for the clarification, It makes a big difference in my situation. The no Wi fi option seem the best. If I don't have it the CIA, FBI, NSA little kids, bad people can't get into it . Don't need to wear a rubber if you don't have sex. I always forget to take the damn thing off when I pee. Don't look up Those organizations have some very smart geeks working for them - if you were a threat, they would find a way to watch you. FYI - Best Buy is now selling a "hot spot locator." Its a little keychain device with three lights on it - and it lets you know if WiFi is there, and if it is open for connection. So, for $30 anyone can find your open network now._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MissMae 0 #25 May 25, 2004 Not that it is right, but my friends payment to Cox was MIA and they turned off his cable and internet, so as he said, he did what any desperate geek would do and drove around until he found an unsecure network, paid his bill from there and drove home. But he isn't one to worry about, he did it to save his own ass and didn't do any harm to the person on the other end. take the time to appreciate the people around you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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TomAiello 26 #16 May 22, 2004 I actually appreciate people who leave their wireless networks open. It allows me to get on-line while travelling. There was a group running around in the bay area a while back trying to convince everyone to leave their wireless open, to create a sort of ad-hoc citywide wireless network. You can take precautions to keep your data safe, while giving access to poor wandering souls (like me), who need it.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #17 May 22, 2004 true, but then you can also be prosecuted(perhaps not successfully but the investigation and lawsuit could make life 'far to interesting') if poor wandering souls have malicious intent to others...you may have a hard time proving it wasnt you..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #18 May 22, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe least they could do is use the encryption. I use encryption and block all MAC address's other then mine. That forces the hacker to have to spoof a mac address. Wifi is no where near secure no matter what you do. Right, at that point you are keeping out 95% of the Wifi users...if you have pissed off someone enough to get them to sniff your network for an hour just to get in, well, you probably deserve it So what do you recommend? Mine is encrypted, I changed the default password and generally don't leave any PCs running when unattended. What else should I do?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #19 May 22, 2004 Disable SSID broadcast. Change the default network address from 192.168.0.1 to something like 192.168.33.1. Change the default login name._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #20 May 23, 2004 Mine reaches 1150 feet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #21 May 23, 2004 QuoteMine reaches 1150 feet Damn I guess I have three options No Wi Fi Line walls windows etc with copper foil Learn how to secure the wi fi system. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #22 May 24, 2004 That is line of sight, no trees, bushes, hills, houses. Any of the such is a signal killer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #23 May 24, 2004 QuoteThat is line of sight, no trees, bushes, hills, houses. Any of the such is a signal killer. Thanks for the clarification, It makes a big difference in my situation. The no Wi fi option seem the best. If I don't have it the CIA, FBI, NSA little kids, bad people can't get into it . Don't need to wear a rubber if you don't have sex. I always forget to take the damn thing off when I pee. Don't look up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 May 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteThat is line of sight, no trees, bushes, hills, houses. Any of the such is a signal killer. Thanks for the clarification, It makes a big difference in my situation. The no Wi fi option seem the best. If I don't have it the CIA, FBI, NSA little kids, bad people can't get into it . Don't need to wear a rubber if you don't have sex. I always forget to take the damn thing off when I pee. Don't look up Those organizations have some very smart geeks working for them - if you were a threat, they would find a way to watch you. FYI - Best Buy is now selling a "hot spot locator." Its a little keychain device with three lights on it - and it lets you know if WiFi is there, and if it is open for connection. So, for $30 anyone can find your open network now._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MissMae 0 #25 May 25, 2004 Not that it is right, but my friends payment to Cox was MIA and they turned off his cable and internet, so as he said, he did what any desperate geek would do and drove around until he found an unsecure network, paid his bill from there and drove home. But he isn't one to worry about, he did it to save his own ass and didn't do any harm to the person on the other end. take the time to appreciate the people around you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
