skybytch 273 #1 May 25, 2004 Okay, I need help here. My dog - yes, the one I was all upset about not being here earlier - is pushing me to the point of kicking her ass out the door and not giving a shit. She keeps shittin' and peeing on the floor. She did it last night. And she just did it AGAIN. Always in the same place - between the front door and the hall to the bathroom. The real pisser right now is she was outside 30 minutes ago and did NOTHING. The yard isn't fenced and there's no place to tie her up outside or that's where she'd be living from this point on. I haven't caught her doing it yet so it's been useless to try to discipline her - although this time I was pissed enough to grab her, drag her over to the biggest pile and scream "NO!! BAD DOG!! BAD!!!" I'm sure what she heard was "BLAH! BLAH BLAH! BLAH!" but screaming made me feel a little better. Is there something I can put on the floor that'll make her not use it as a toilet? Or am I doomed to being my dog's chambermaid until we move someplace with a fenced yard or I'm finally fed up and kick her ass out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #2 May 25, 2004 Has this been all the sudden, like her wandering off? Sometimes animals change their behavior when something is wrong. Maybe she needs to go to the vet for a check-up.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivegirl 0 #3 May 25, 2004 Does she do it when you're home or only away? If she does it while you're home... does she wait until you're not looking?Pink Mafia Sis #26 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #4 May 25, 2004 QuoteHas this been all the sudden, like her wandering off? No, she's been doing it every few nights since she had the real bad diarhea/vomiting a month or so ago. I think there's some scent still on the floor that makes her think it's okay to do her business there - cuz it's always in the same place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #5 May 25, 2004 There is special odor control stuff for pets that you can get at places like PetSmart that helps get rid of the odor that they can smell but you can't. Maybe that will help.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #6 May 25, 2004 Always when I'm home - I can leave her alone in the house for hours and nothing. I sit on the 'puter in the bedroom (can't see the living room from there) or turn the lights off to go to sleep - and she does it. Believe me, if I saw her doing it she'd KNOW she was fucking up. But I don't see it until she's already back laying by the bed, looking angelic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivegirl 0 #7 May 25, 2004 QuoteNo, she's been doing it every few nights since she had the real bad diarhea/vomiting a month or so ago. She might have some sort of a bug that affects her bladder control (but if she's doing more than just peeing than maybe not). Can you close a door or put up a babygate to keep her from getting to that spot at night. That may break the habit...Pink Mafia Sis #26 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #8 May 25, 2004 QuoteCan you close a door or put up a babygate to keep her from getting to that spot at night. That may break the habit... I can kinda "lock" her in the bedroom with me (no door but I can block the doorway) but I worry that if I do she'll just do it on the carpet. At least where she's been doing it the flooring is tile so it's easier to clean up... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivegirl 0 #9 May 25, 2004 Well, I can suggest the not-so-fun method we are currently using to house-train a stray we took in. She was nursing a litter of puppies and couldn't hold it for more than 4 hours at the most. So, we took her out before bed (usually 10:00 PM).... set the alarm for 2:00 AM and took her out again... and then at 6:00 AM when we got up. We gradually set the 'middle-of-the-night' alarm later & later until it disappeared. It sucked but it worked. -OR- You could get a wire crate for her to sleep in at night....Pink Mafia Sis #26 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdy2skydive 0 #10 May 25, 2004 I had this problem with my dog for the first year I had her. She was very spiteful and stubborn and I didn't know how to break her of this behavior. A lot of people suggested crating her but I don't believe in it and at that point I felt it would traumatize her more than fix the problem. I called the obedience school I had taken her to and they suggested Doggie Boot Camp. She was barricaded into the kitchen and basically ignored. Come in the house and ignore her, put her food down and ignore her. She was completely denied any human contact. Anytime she wasn't locked in the kitchen she was on the leash next to me - even in the house. I also took away her privileges such as her biscuits, and sleeping in her favorite spot on the couch where she could look out the window. It was so difficult to do. She was only 7 months old but her behavior was destroying the house. After a few days of good behavior I would start to reward her and praise her. I would take her off the leash in the house but she couldn't leave my side, then she could sleep on her couch, etc. However, once she messed inside again, I had to start over. It took a few tries over several months but it really worked. She would go longer and longer without an "accident." Now she is a sweet dog with very good manners. She only has an accident occasionally when she is sick. First check with your vet to make sure she is not sick. If she's fine, some obedience training might help. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. By the way, I'm so glad she found her way home this morning. Good luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpergirl 0 #11 May 25, 2004 QuoteIs there something I can put on the floor that'll make her not use it as a toilet? Are the floors hardwood or carpet? If it's hardwood, then you can clean the area then put vinegar down on the spot. That will stop her from using the same spot. It's worked with any dog I have ever had!! Good luck!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckbrown 0 #12 May 25, 2004 QuoteI haven't caught her doing it yet so it's been useless to try to discipline her - although this time I was pissed enough to grab her, drag her over to the biggest pile and scream "NO!! BAD DOG!! BAD!!!" I'm sure what she heard was "BLAH! BLAH BLAH! BLAH!" Your point was made perfectly clear. A couple times of firing her up will end this problem. It's always worked for me (but it does hurt to have to discipline them like that.) Just because you didn't catch her, doesn't mean she doesn't know it's hers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #13 May 25, 2004 she might still be having problems from her previous infection. Take her to the vet and get her checked out. It may not be her fault. Even if it is strictly a behavior issue, your vet will have some suggestions. Plus, you can get her microchipped at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #14 May 25, 2004 QuoteTake her to the vet and get her checked out. Unfortunately that's not an option financially at the moment... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #15 May 25, 2004 maybe a phone call to the vet? they might be able to tell you if she's misbehaving or needs to be seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #16 May 25, 2004 I'm a big believer in the crating. I have three dogs, and they love their crates. When I first got Rose, she was about two years old, and had never been in a crate. Now she loves it. Be sure to check on the training on using them, because you want the dog to like being in their "room". Don't use the crate as a punishment, but maybe it's time for Molly to spend the night in it. Can you put up a baby gate to keep her in the computer room with you? It may all be for attention. Chips. Make sure you get the chip installed by the vet and not at a Pet Store. I saw a report on the news that those chips need a different reader then what the pound has. Before you get a chip install ask them what kind of reader is needed, and then check with the pound and vets office as to what kind of reader they have. I did recently hear good news about the chip that didn't have enough readers, which they were going to slow down on putting chips in to allow the places that need to reader to get them. We'll see.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eeneR 3 #17 May 25, 2004 Done properly there is absolutly nothing wrong with crating. My two love their crates, and have no problems with them. The crate is a safe place for them to hide. Dogs are den animals. I worked for both a humane society and worked with animal rescue. In addition i have taken quite a few courses in canine behaviour and training. Crate training by those i trained with, and myself are highly recommended. Not only does it give them a "Safe Place" to be...it gives them a Safe Place in case of an emergancy. I try and always keep my two caged or crated while driving. If there is ever an accedent and windows break and or doors fly open, the dogs are still secured in the crates and not running on the highway...do you wear a seat belt? your dog should too. There are two possibilites here, 1 is that molly is sick has a bladder infection or something else going on. 2 is she is fighting for attention of anykind which is making her act out just like a kid. Seeing as she had been sick when this all started i am very curious about that part of it. A few good indicators of illness are these, 1. dry warm/hot nose, 2. Warm sweaty pads on her paws, 3. loss of appetite, 4. sluggish behaviour. If you are really brave you can get a rectal thermometer and take her temp yourself. Dogs run at a higher body temp then humans, if i remember correct it is 101f. If she seems fine otherwise, she very well may be acting out...dogs are very keen on our stress aswell....Dogs are a lot smarter then a lot of people give them credit for, as well as the fact that they do have feelings and they are capible of reaction and spite. Try giving her extra attention, be it an extra long walk, try playing with her, and see if the attention gives any response in change of behaviour. Also a new good chewy might help as well. Dogs can be like children, and will do things when bored, or frustrated that aggrevate you for attention, of anykind even the bad stuff. It takes a bit of creativity with a dog because they cant tell you these things. it is a trial and error thing. If one thing doesnt work, move on to the next. It is kind of like cracking the code Animal behaviour is a very very intersting thing, and the human/animal interaction is one of pure amazement. Lemme know how things go.She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Misslmperfect 0 #18 May 25, 2004 sounds behavioral.....typically, if she was having a health problem that would lead to uncontrollable bowel or bladder function, she wouldnt keep having accidents in the same spot. its kind of a 'go where you are' type deal. normally, when dogs go inside when their owner is home, its out of anger for leaving them. did this just start happening? how long has she been doing this? how old, breed? did she do this at the place you lived before? how long in your new home? look back to any changes in your lifestyle that occured right before she started doing this...you'll usually find your trigger there. more hours at work, less hours, less time with her, etc... anything that could have set her off. start taking her out a lot more, and praise her when she goes outside. give her treats, tell her GOOD GIRL!, pet her, etc.....and continue to scold her when she goes inside. always drag her over and tell her no firmly, but make sure her business is still where she left it.Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eeneR 3 #19 May 25, 2004 Quoteand continue to scold her when she goes inside. always drag her over and tell her no firmly, but make sure her business is still where she left it. This I disagree with.....you should not scold them unless you actually caught them in the act doing it....period. yes you can bitch and moan and make it clear you are unhappy that you have to clean, but DONOT drag them over and shove there face in it, if you did not actually catch them.....Negative re-enforcement is not good especially if it was done in the past, they are not 100% what you are telling them is wrong. Now like you said giving them all kinds of praise outside, yes that is good, if you catch them in the act you need ot correct that bad behaviour, but DONOT drag them over after the fact.She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #20 May 25, 2004 Renee you are so right about dragging them over. All the good books on house training say that if you don't catch them doing it, it's not going to help you. Molly will continue to do it if it's for attention cause now she is getting attention. Be in negative or positive.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eeneR 3 #21 May 25, 2004 A big key with animal training, any animal....is focus on the good behaviors. Most social beings want attention, no matter what kind, be it good or bad, and will do things to get this attention. If the learn that certain behaviors will cause this reaction they will continue...again good or bad. As hard as it may be, egnoring a bad behavior...unless you actually caught them in the act, is much better then acting. If they get no response from you then they will not continue...However, to solidify the good behaviors you must take the time with them to watch, and give them all the attention you can muster when they are infact behaving the way that you want them too. It is human reaction to become upset and react to things we do not like, this in turn gives attention. It takes self control to not do that, and damnit it works when you dont... No attention to negative behavior is much much better. Scary thing, this works for humans too....She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #22 May 25, 2004 Lisa they even sell little potty training mats for dogs now as well. Set one by the door and show it to her. It has some odor on it that makes them want to pee and poo on it. After she gets used to that you move it just ouside the door and she willknow it is their and start scratching for it. Worked on my Jack Russell after I moved and he started going in the house. Smart dog but he got a bit confused when I moved.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #23 May 26, 2004 They have Doggie Litter Boxes too.... 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chuckbrown 0 #12 May 25, 2004 QuoteI haven't caught her doing it yet so it's been useless to try to discipline her - although this time I was pissed enough to grab her, drag her over to the biggest pile and scream "NO!! BAD DOG!! BAD!!!" I'm sure what she heard was "BLAH! BLAH BLAH! BLAH!" Your point was made perfectly clear. A couple times of firing her up will end this problem. It's always worked for me (but it does hurt to have to discipline them like that.) Just because you didn't catch her, doesn't mean she doesn't know it's hers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #13 May 25, 2004 she might still be having problems from her previous infection. Take her to the vet and get her checked out. It may not be her fault. Even if it is strictly a behavior issue, your vet will have some suggestions. Plus, you can get her microchipped at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #14 May 25, 2004 QuoteTake her to the vet and get her checked out. Unfortunately that's not an option financially at the moment... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #15 May 25, 2004 maybe a phone call to the vet? they might be able to tell you if she's misbehaving or needs to be seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #16 May 25, 2004 I'm a big believer in the crating. I have three dogs, and they love their crates. When I first got Rose, she was about two years old, and had never been in a crate. Now she loves it. Be sure to check on the training on using them, because you want the dog to like being in their "room". Don't use the crate as a punishment, but maybe it's time for Molly to spend the night in it. Can you put up a baby gate to keep her in the computer room with you? It may all be for attention. Chips. Make sure you get the chip installed by the vet and not at a Pet Store. I saw a report on the news that those chips need a different reader then what the pound has. Before you get a chip install ask them what kind of reader is needed, and then check with the pound and vets office as to what kind of reader they have. I did recently hear good news about the chip that didn't have enough readers, which they were going to slow down on putting chips in to allow the places that need to reader to get them. We'll see.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #17 May 25, 2004 Done properly there is absolutly nothing wrong with crating. My two love their crates, and have no problems with them. The crate is a safe place for them to hide. Dogs are den animals. I worked for both a humane society and worked with animal rescue. In addition i have taken quite a few courses in canine behaviour and training. Crate training by those i trained with, and myself are highly recommended. Not only does it give them a "Safe Place" to be...it gives them a Safe Place in case of an emergancy. I try and always keep my two caged or crated while driving. If there is ever an accedent and windows break and or doors fly open, the dogs are still secured in the crates and not running on the highway...do you wear a seat belt? your dog should too. There are two possibilites here, 1 is that molly is sick has a bladder infection or something else going on. 2 is she is fighting for attention of anykind which is making her act out just like a kid. Seeing as she had been sick when this all started i am very curious about that part of it. A few good indicators of illness are these, 1. dry warm/hot nose, 2. Warm sweaty pads on her paws, 3. loss of appetite, 4. sluggish behaviour. If you are really brave you can get a rectal thermometer and take her temp yourself. Dogs run at a higher body temp then humans, if i remember correct it is 101f. If she seems fine otherwise, she very well may be acting out...dogs are very keen on our stress aswell....Dogs are a lot smarter then a lot of people give them credit for, as well as the fact that they do have feelings and they are capible of reaction and spite. Try giving her extra attention, be it an extra long walk, try playing with her, and see if the attention gives any response in change of behaviour. Also a new good chewy might help as well. Dogs can be like children, and will do things when bored, or frustrated that aggrevate you for attention, of anykind even the bad stuff. It takes a bit of creativity with a dog because they cant tell you these things. it is a trial and error thing. If one thing doesnt work, move on to the next. It is kind of like cracking the code Animal behaviour is a very very intersting thing, and the human/animal interaction is one of pure amazement. Lemme know how things go.She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misslmperfect 0 #18 May 25, 2004 sounds behavioral.....typically, if she was having a health problem that would lead to uncontrollable bowel or bladder function, she wouldnt keep having accidents in the same spot. its kind of a 'go where you are' type deal. normally, when dogs go inside when their owner is home, its out of anger for leaving them. did this just start happening? how long has she been doing this? how old, breed? did she do this at the place you lived before? how long in your new home? look back to any changes in your lifestyle that occured right before she started doing this...you'll usually find your trigger there. more hours at work, less hours, less time with her, etc... anything that could have set her off. start taking her out a lot more, and praise her when she goes outside. give her treats, tell her GOOD GIRL!, pet her, etc.....and continue to scold her when she goes inside. always drag her over and tell her no firmly, but make sure her business is still where she left it.Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #19 May 25, 2004 Quoteand continue to scold her when she goes inside. always drag her over and tell her no firmly, but make sure her business is still where she left it. This I disagree with.....you should not scold them unless you actually caught them in the act doing it....period. yes you can bitch and moan and make it clear you are unhappy that you have to clean, but DONOT drag them over and shove there face in it, if you did not actually catch them.....Negative re-enforcement is not good especially if it was done in the past, they are not 100% what you are telling them is wrong. Now like you said giving them all kinds of praise outside, yes that is good, if you catch them in the act you need ot correct that bad behaviour, but DONOT drag them over after the fact.She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #20 May 25, 2004 Renee you are so right about dragging them over. All the good books on house training say that if you don't catch them doing it, it's not going to help you. Molly will continue to do it if it's for attention cause now she is getting attention. Be in negative or positive.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #21 May 25, 2004 A big key with animal training, any animal....is focus on the good behaviors. Most social beings want attention, no matter what kind, be it good or bad, and will do things to get this attention. If the learn that certain behaviors will cause this reaction they will continue...again good or bad. As hard as it may be, egnoring a bad behavior...unless you actually caught them in the act, is much better then acting. If they get no response from you then they will not continue...However, to solidify the good behaviors you must take the time with them to watch, and give them all the attention you can muster when they are infact behaving the way that you want them too. It is human reaction to become upset and react to things we do not like, this in turn gives attention. It takes self control to not do that, and damnit it works when you dont... No attention to negative behavior is much much better. Scary thing, this works for humans too....She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #22 May 25, 2004 Lisa they even sell little potty training mats for dogs now as well. Set one by the door and show it to her. It has some odor on it that makes them want to pee and poo on it. After she gets used to that you move it just ouside the door and she willknow it is their and start scratching for it. Worked on my Jack Russell after I moved and he started going in the house. Smart dog but he got a bit confused when I moved.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #23 May 26, 2004 They have Doggie Litter Boxes too.... Seen em... http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/wizdog-doggie-litter-box-009610.php oh here Pet STINK BE GONE http://www.catsodorfree.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #24 May 26, 2004 Two words, Lisa: Crate Training Works best because the dog will not shit or piss where it sleeps. Then slowly start to allow the dog to have more space outside the crate, but if it shits, then shink the area down again. You need lots of patience, but it does work. Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
