Vallerina 2 #26 June 4, 2004 Quotewhy else? The drug running, of course! There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #27 June 4, 2004 QuoteI dont quite understand what the guy said "the right reasons" are? ) He never said what they were either<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lizard 0 #28 June 4, 2004 My hat is off too you. Im not sure if I would of been man enough to listen to him speak of a lost friend without getting myself into trouble. You did the right thing, and his talk will eventually catch up with him. It would be nice to sit back and watch when it does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #29 June 4, 2004 Hi Kansas Sorry about the almost bad experience. I hope in hind sight you can laugh about it i know I am right now. The golden Knight and other military teams and civie teams don't have to strut their stuff. Because their the real deal. IMO for some military jumpers it's a job, they don't enjoy jumping but they do earn some extra money. When the "chain of command" says lets put on a show the paratroopers don'r get to choose, the spot, winds daylight etc. Tree landings being blown backwards 10 MPH surrounded by other troops that have very little contol of their canopy, jumping with extra work stuff. broken bones etc. For the paratroopers that only do it for work it's a job like cleaning a toilet. IMO comparing "fun Jumping" with "military jumping" is comparing apples and a rock. Who knows what the army guy's problem was, he definatly had a attitude, and was blowing smoke. Could be for lots of reasons those guy's are under a lot of stress these days. When I meet folks like that I just smile agree we disagree shake hands and leave. I have nothing to prove and why argue with a rock R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #30 June 4, 2004 QuoteWhen I meet folks like that I just smile agree we disagree shake hands and leave. I have nothing to prove and why argue with a rock R.I.P. Agreed and that's what I tried to do, I have no problem with him jumping or not jumping, but he was just constantly trying to get one up on us all, then when the convo turned to Geoff that's when I get really tight because it's a touchy subject for me<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #31 June 4, 2004 QuoteJust tell him you met John Booth from the Relative Workplace at the WFFC in Champlain IL last year. He'll be impressed. *** We have a winner! I gotta remember THAT line! I've had similar encounters as have we all. The weirdest was at a bar I frequented in El Cajon, Ca. I had a jacket with our demo team's logo on the back which started the conversation. This older totally drunk guy kept making one line comments 'just loud enough' to interrupt conversation I was having with some friends... Around the 6th time, I walked over to him and offered to buy him a beer and to join our group since that seemed to be what he was trying to do anyway... Drunken slurs about wanna be's... and how I'd crap my pants if I ever really jumped out of an airplane followed. He asked how many jumps I had...1500 I answered... NOBODY has 1500 parachute jumps! He exclaimed... Ahhh...I told him, I see the confusion! You mean MILITARY jumps.... I'm civilian, and we call them skydives. Yeah, bullshit he answers. An hour or so later, getting ready to leave... I reached into my pocket and gave him a business card. If you ever want to make a jump, I'm also an instructor at Elsinore... A week later I get a package in the mail... Pins...posters...patches...and and really nice apology, from the drunk, a local attorney.. that also happened to head up the 101st Airborne club, (retirees) in SoCal. We became friends and he even made a tandem with me! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #32 June 4, 2004 QuoteFor the paratroopers that only do it for work it's a job like cleaning a toilet. IMO comparing "fun Jumping" with "military jumping" is comparing apples and a rock. I have to disagree here. As an Airborne qualified Marine I loved what I did. It was the only requirement I had of my job when I joined the Marines. Specifically, I said to my recruiter, "I don't care what I do as long as I get to jump from planes." Boy did he see me coming. Anyway. Airborne scholl is an entirely volunteer school. He chose to do it, whatever his "right reasons". I think that has nothing to do with this guys problem. Some people just want to argue and fight. They want to find any reason to make you seem smaller than them. It was his feeble attempt to belittle someone he saw as less than him. The plain truth he was a pathetic dingleberry desperately trying not to get wiped away from the world's ass by the paper of mediocrity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #33 June 4, 2004 Jim, now that is classy. You rock bro. I will remember that if I ever encounter the situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #34 June 4, 2004 QuoteI bet $1000.00 dollars that guy never put a HALO rig on in his life! I bet he has never seen one other then in a Poster on his Renlistment NCO's wall. He may be Airborne but, he is obviously a jackass. Blue SKies to your friend and to you. That's exactly what I'm thinking. Why bother with idiots like that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #35 June 4, 2004 QuoteAgreed, but do you do HALOs and HAHOs under rounds? I'm not up to date on all the military jumping stuff, but my understanding was that they were done under large square canopies You are correct. There may be something I don't know about HALO, but I have never seen anyone jump anything other then a squareDom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #36 June 4, 2004 QuoteFor the paratroopers that only do it for work it's a job like cleaning a toilet. NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!!!! Don't compare a ver, very hard and dangerous thing like jumping static line with all that heavy gear on to washing toilets. It is much more then just a art of the job. Paratroopers love jumpingout of planes. It is completely voluntary and is taken very seriously by those that do it. It is not sport jumping for sure, but it is much more then just having a static line pull your chute. Most people that skydive wouldn't put themselves through all the hard work it takes to get to become Airborne. It is three weeks of very physical activity. Most skydivers I know couldn't make it through the training. Most skydivers I know wouldn't want to take the risk of 150 lbs of gear and a sub 1000ft exit, with 60 other canopies all coming out of the same 2 doors.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #37 June 4, 2004 QuoteSome people just want to argue and fight. They want to find any reason to make you seem smaller than them. It was his feeble attempt to belittle someone he saw as less than him. The plain truth he was a pathetic dingleberry desperately trying not to get wiped away from the world's ass by the paper of mediocrity. I agreeDom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #38 June 4, 2004 He was a drunk asshole......lots of those running around these days. Sorry you had to put up with this right before a memorial jump for your friend. Blue skies; RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #39 June 4, 2004 Hi dgskydive. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Some paratroopers like what the do like any pro.Pulling 60 static lines & bags is a lot of heavy work. # weeks of training with the black hats is nasty hard work. If you hate your job whatever it is it's not fun But like anything else there's the bell curve. Some paratroopers do no enjoy jumping. I was a loadmaster on C-130 's watched the jumpmaster boot the paratrooper on the step in the butt 3-4 times. The trooper was holding onto the the railsnext to the door inside the plane and keep land back on the step. Finally the jumpmaster pulled the guy back in and the rest of the stick left on a long spot. With the bell curve some troopers love it. Most are Ok with it and some hate it. The guy I saw refuse to jump was not a rookie. Maybe it being their last qualifying jump for pay for a whole yr befor they left for nam had something to do with his reluctance to jump. We used to fly 5 ship formations dropping the army guy's so not only do thes the guy's in their aiplane to worry about there's a bunch more. I have total respect for the paratroopers. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #40 June 4, 2004 Quote[It is three weeks of very physical activity... Before I went to jump school I was warned never to mention that I was a skydiver. It was a sure death sentence. One of the kids showed up the first day with a bandage covering a new airborne tattoo on his arm. He became very good at pushups.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #41 June 4, 2004 Cool. I have seen jump refusals before. In fact I had a few that I was able to boot out the door as well! The guys tht do it only for the extra money usually don't last to long. They get scared and end up off of jump status.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #42 June 4, 2004 QuoteBefore I went to jump school I was warned never to mention that I was a skydiver. It was a sure death sentence. One of the kids showed up the first day with a bandage covering a new airborne tattoo on his arm. He became very good at pushups. dead reckoning vertical This is true. The first day we where there, the Ft. Benning Demo team was jumping. You could see them right from in front of the canopies landing in the tower field. If we got caught looking at them...... well it wasn't pretty. BEAT YOUR BOOTS! 1st time I heard that one I laughed, then 30 minutes later I just wanted to die! I to did the tatto thing a bit early. Got mine after the 2nd week. Hid it until graduation. Didn't get caught. Glad I didn't get broke up during jump week. I would have one stupid tatto.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #43 June 4, 2004 QuoteIt is three weeks of very physical activity. Bwahahahaha I loved that shit... "Off we go into the wild blue yonder.... riding high into the sky...". Amazing what singing the AIR FORCE song does to ARMY instuctors.... BWAHAHAHAHA Drop and give me 10.... shit I was already used to 25.. so the 10 was a piece of cake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #44 June 4, 2004 What an asshole.........and congrats on not starting a fistfight w/him.That blowhard would piss off the Dalai Lama!!!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwmike 0 #45 June 4, 2004 Quotethat must have taken a lot of strength not to beat his ass right there. obviously this asshat is a completely ignorant dickhead. grrrr. that stinks. There were two dickheads in that silly argument. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weegegirl 2 #46 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuotethat must have taken a lot of strength not to beat his ass right there. obviously this asshat is a completely ignorant dickhead. grrrr. that stinks. There were two dickheads in that silly argument. Michael huh? i'm sorry... maybe i'm slow cuz it's friday afternoon and i need a jump... but i don't get what you are trying to say here. are you calling KSD a dickhead for defending himself? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #47 June 4, 2004 I'm confused too Or were you referring to himself and his body parts both thinking and acting the same?<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwmike 0 #48 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuotethat must have taken a lot of strength not to beat his ass right there. obviously this asshat is a completely ignorant dickhead. grrrr. that stinks. There were two dickheads in that silly argument. Michael huh? i'm sorry... maybe i'm slow cuz it's friday afternoon and i need a jump... but i don't get what you are trying to say here. are you calling KSD a dickhead for defending himself? Defend himself? If I get drunk, go out and get in a penis contest with another drunk in a bar, then I would pretty much have to consider myself a dickhead. Hey, we've all done it. Doesn't mean I can't view it objectively. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kansasskydiver 0 #49 June 4, 2004 QuoteDefend himself? If I get drunk, go out and get in a penis contest with another drunk in a bar, then I would pretty much have to consider myself a dickhead. Hey, we've all done it. Doesn't mean I can't view it objectively. Michael I'm not sure if I'm just still being defensive about the whole thing or if I'm not understanding what you're trying to say, but the convo started with him bragging about how he had done much more than I. I only answered questions and shook my head. It wasn't until he started calling me tweaked and that my friend died for nothing that I took it personal. Maybe I should have worded my post differently, but it started out as him wanting to compare everything and be the "larger" man. In the end though I came out ahead by remembering my friend and letting him rest, instead of starting a fight and bringing it all back. Would have been a stupid thing to have to tell his mom why I was in jail or needed her to represent me in court because I got into a fist fight defending her son. So I still hold that I was not a dickhead and that he was disrespectful<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,098 #50 June 4, 2004 I think I'm missing the point. Not that the guy was a dick, but why would anyone care about what a whuffo says about skydiving? I remember being out drinking one night with someone very experienced (I forget who, Tony Domenico or someone like that) and a local denizen of the bar came up to us and started talking about what a great skydiver he was, he did it years ago, we should really try X, Y and Z if we wanted to see what real skydiving was about etc. We both enjoyed his little spiel quite a bit. "Yeah, Tony, you should try some _real_ skydiving sometime!" Another time I was in the DZ restauraunt and a military jumper overheard me talking about static line with another SL-JM. He then proceeded to lecture me on how bad static line was, how I should really go AFF like he did, he already knew how to freefall! And what was I learning in like one second of freefall? Nothing (he said.) Everyone knew static line jumpers couldn't hold a candle to military freefallers. I just smiled and nodded. Such things have a way of coming back to haunt the bragger. An hour later I realized that I had him for his level 3, and Denny was the other JM. I saw them both talking outside. "Hey, Denny, we have a level 3 with that guy. You want to train him?" The student looked at me, suddenly worried. "You, uh, know Commander Chalker?" he asked me. "Yeah." "Hey Bill, mind if I go main side?" Denny asked me. "No problem, if you train him," I said. The guy turned green. Denny, who was something of a legend to the Navy dudes, had just asked me permission to do something, and thus I outranked him - and this student had just told me about how great he was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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dgskydive 0 #41 June 4, 2004 Cool. I have seen jump refusals before. In fact I had a few that I was able to boot out the door as well! The guys tht do it only for the extra money usually don't last to long. They get scared and end up off of jump status.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #42 June 4, 2004 QuoteBefore I went to jump school I was warned never to mention that I was a skydiver. It was a sure death sentence. One of the kids showed up the first day with a bandage covering a new airborne tattoo on his arm. He became very good at pushups. dead reckoning vertical This is true. The first day we where there, the Ft. Benning Demo team was jumping. You could see them right from in front of the canopies landing in the tower field. If we got caught looking at them...... well it wasn't pretty. BEAT YOUR BOOTS! 1st time I heard that one I laughed, then 30 minutes later I just wanted to die! I to did the tatto thing a bit early. Got mine after the 2nd week. Hid it until graduation. Didn't get caught. Glad I didn't get broke up during jump week. I would have one stupid tatto.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 June 4, 2004 QuoteIt is three weeks of very physical activity. Bwahahahaha I loved that shit... "Off we go into the wild blue yonder.... riding high into the sky...". Amazing what singing the AIR FORCE song does to ARMY instuctors.... BWAHAHAHAHA Drop and give me 10.... shit I was already used to 25.. so the 10 was a piece of cake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #44 June 4, 2004 What an asshole.........and congrats on not starting a fistfight w/him.That blowhard would piss off the Dalai Lama!!!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #45 June 4, 2004 Quotethat must have taken a lot of strength not to beat his ass right there. obviously this asshat is a completely ignorant dickhead. grrrr. that stinks. There were two dickheads in that silly argument. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #46 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuotethat must have taken a lot of strength not to beat his ass right there. obviously this asshat is a completely ignorant dickhead. grrrr. that stinks. There were two dickheads in that silly argument. Michael huh? i'm sorry... maybe i'm slow cuz it's friday afternoon and i need a jump... but i don't get what you are trying to say here. are you calling KSD a dickhead for defending himself? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #47 June 4, 2004 I'm confused too Or were you referring to himself and his body parts both thinking and acting the same?<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #48 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuotethat must have taken a lot of strength not to beat his ass right there. obviously this asshat is a completely ignorant dickhead. grrrr. that stinks. There were two dickheads in that silly argument. Michael huh? i'm sorry... maybe i'm slow cuz it's friday afternoon and i need a jump... but i don't get what you are trying to say here. are you calling KSD a dickhead for defending himself? Defend himself? If I get drunk, go out and get in a penis contest with another drunk in a bar, then I would pretty much have to consider myself a dickhead. Hey, we've all done it. Doesn't mean I can't view it objectively. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #49 June 4, 2004 QuoteDefend himself? If I get drunk, go out and get in a penis contest with another drunk in a bar, then I would pretty much have to consider myself a dickhead. Hey, we've all done it. Doesn't mean I can't view it objectively. Michael I'm not sure if I'm just still being defensive about the whole thing or if I'm not understanding what you're trying to say, but the convo started with him bragging about how he had done much more than I. I only answered questions and shook my head. It wasn't until he started calling me tweaked and that my friend died for nothing that I took it personal. Maybe I should have worded my post differently, but it started out as him wanting to compare everything and be the "larger" man. In the end though I came out ahead by remembering my friend and letting him rest, instead of starting a fight and bringing it all back. Would have been a stupid thing to have to tell his mom why I was in jail or needed her to represent me in court because I got into a fist fight defending her son. So I still hold that I was not a dickhead and that he was disrespectful<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,098 #50 June 4, 2004 I think I'm missing the point. Not that the guy was a dick, but why would anyone care about what a whuffo says about skydiving? I remember being out drinking one night with someone very experienced (I forget who, Tony Domenico or someone like that) and a local denizen of the bar came up to us and started talking about what a great skydiver he was, he did it years ago, we should really try X, Y and Z if we wanted to see what real skydiving was about etc. We both enjoyed his little spiel quite a bit. "Yeah, Tony, you should try some _real_ skydiving sometime!" Another time I was in the DZ restauraunt and a military jumper overheard me talking about static line with another SL-JM. He then proceeded to lecture me on how bad static line was, how I should really go AFF like he did, he already knew how to freefall! And what was I learning in like one second of freefall? Nothing (he said.) Everyone knew static line jumpers couldn't hold a candle to military freefallers. I just smiled and nodded. Such things have a way of coming back to haunt the bragger. An hour later I realized that I had him for his level 3, and Denny was the other JM. I saw them both talking outside. "Hey, Denny, we have a level 3 with that guy. You want to train him?" The student looked at me, suddenly worried. "You, uh, know Commander Chalker?" he asked me. "Yeah." "Hey Bill, mind if I go main side?" Denny asked me. "No problem, if you train him," I said. The guy turned green. Denny, who was something of a legend to the Navy dudes, had just asked me permission to do something, and thus I outranked him - and this student had just told me about how great he was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
