Canuck278 0 #1 June 23, 2004 Hey, well i have been in Anacortes for a few days now and have finally found a house....well i found more than a house.....damn it's nice...anyway i plan on driving down to Snohomish for a couple days seeing as it will probably be my home dz for the next few years. See you all soon! Steve Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 June 23, 2004 Good LuckIts a great place for tandems and students. There are some really nice people there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #3 June 23, 2004 QuoteHey, well i have been in Anacortes for a few days now and have finally found a house....well i found more than a house.....damn it's nice...anyway i plan on driving down to Snohomish for a couple days seeing as it will probably be my home dz for the next few years. See you all soon! Go to Blue Skies in Bremerton (hop the Pt Towensed ferry and go south to Bremerton) this weekend. The Golden Knights are being hosted there by both Blue Skies and Kapowsin Air Sports. The K-pow Grand Caravan is going to be there as well! more info at www.blueskies-skydiving.com Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck278 0 #4 June 23, 2004 Oh did i say snohomish..i meant blue skies... I'll try and hit snohomish on the way back. Thanks for the info. Steve Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 June 23, 2004 QuoteGo to Blue Skies in Bremerton (hop the Pt Towensed ferry and go south to Bremerton) this weekend. The Golden Knights are being hosted there by both Blue Skies and Kapowsin Air Sports. The K-pow Grand Caravan is going to be there as well Yup dats where I will be..big airplane loads with the GK...pilots who can fly a formation load if the skydivers want to do something larger than a 4 way...time for some fun jumpin.. oh and did I mention.. SuperBarbie will be along as well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #6 June 23, 2004 Hey Scotty I'm gonna check out the DZ on Friday...wil you be around?? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdctlc 0 #7 June 23, 2004 QuoteYup dats where I will be..big airplane loads with the GK...pilots who can fly a formation load if the skydivers want to do something larger than a 4 way...... OUCH, was that a slap I heard??? Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GogglesnTeeth 6 #8 June 23, 2004 My gimpy self will be there on Friday, and probably a good chunk of the rest of the weekend as well. Don't know if I'll be able to jump.... depends on the knee, but still should be a cool weekend! Big planes at Blue Skies... what a concept!!!!!Goggles and Teeth "You fall like a greased safe!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #9 June 23, 2004 OMG! Scotty and Jeanne and I will have to do a red-head jump out at Blue Skies! Maybe Saturday early mornin'? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SeaKev 0 #10 June 23, 2004 Dammit! I wanna go, but somebody we threw outa da plane on Sunday has decided to start AFF this weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #11 June 23, 2004 YEA!!!!! So she likes it then, yes??? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #12 June 23, 2004 QuoteDammit! I wanna go, but somebody we threw outa da plane on Sunday has decided to start AFF this weekend. They will maybe be doing AFF at Bremerton. Call Kapowsin and ask, then let your friend come do AFF out of the OTTER! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SeaKev 0 #13 June 23, 2004 She likes it. Jeanne and I chased her out, Jeanne docked, I played it safe and lurked. Mike was doing practice vid, so that was a bonus. She's already signed up for Saturday's beer jump course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #14 June 24, 2004 I second that.. I will be down at Kapow a LOT more now..the tandem factory has worn way too thin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cassielou 0 #15 June 24, 2004 Tandem factory, huh? Tandems bring bigger airplanes to small drop zones (Turbo 206, Caravan). Bigger airplanes bring bigger-than-4-ways for licensed jumpers. It's all a big chain of events that give licensed jumpers a place for recreation. Each link has to be there for the sport to survive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #16 June 24, 2004 And the DZO needs to not have a personality conflict with MANY of the experienced jumpers in the area.. due to whatever issues he has. The experienced jumpers.. as well as the tandems are there to have FUN not just to provide a source of business for you. Keep it balanced... Get someone in manifest that can actually keep the planes running for experienced jumpers in between the non stop tandems on a weekend. 9 AM Tandem Class Noon Tandem Class 3 PM Tandem Class 6 PM Tandem Class Sat Afternoon student loads Train the pilots so they are capable of doing a formation load to allow for more people in the air for the tracking dives or something larger than a 4 way. Other DZ's do it all the time. There are 2 C-182 there and a C-206.. those are the kind of loads that make a day special..... and fun for everyone at the DZ to watch or participate in. ITs called being inclusive.. I know you will take this as a slam.. because that is the prevailing attitude.. rather than any form of constructive critisism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cassielou 0 #17 June 24, 2004 Terms like "FUN" and "PERSONAL ISSUES" are definitely relative. Fun (by its most common definition) is had at Skydive Snohomish by both first-time and many-time jumpers on a daily basis. Speaking of DZO's, shall we discuss the other DZO's in WA whom you have trash-talked publicly? Interesting how the personality conflicts seem to follow you around the state. You have so much to offer the sport of skydiving. It would be great if you could see outside your world well enough to share your experience, talents, and abilities in a way that doesn't create so much drama around the DZ. That's all I have to say about that. Signing off! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #18 June 24, 2004 How you doin Tyson QuoteSpeaking of DZO's, shall we discuss the other DZO's in WA whom you have trash-talked publicly Interesting tactic very interesting indeed.. untrue.. but interesting. There is a vast difference between pointing out the pros of a DZ and its cons, than calling it trash talking.. perhaps if YOU got out and about to more DZ's you would realize the myriad of ways there are to run a dropzone. Dont be so insular.. expand your knowledge instead of persisting in rigid ways. Go to some of those other DZ... and get others opinions of what I talked about up above... its there.... and the emperers new clothes aint all he thinks they are. Alot of people are amazed I lasted as long as I did there at Snohomish. Can I invite you for a free jump at Kapowsin.. or at Blue Skies.. or how about Toledo.. I have jumped at all of them.. PS ( CassieLou.. who never posted here before is the DZO's Grilfriend) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cassielou 0 #19 June 24, 2004 Actually, this is Elaine. Tyson is actually out working on the new manifest area - to benefit licensed jumpers. So personal attacks must be part of pointing out pros and cons of a DZ? Hmmm.... Anyway, I didn't sign on to battle back and forth with you. I am one of the only people who has heard both sides of the story. And, as someone who volunteers endlessly to make the DZ a better place, loves the DZ and all the people who jump there, and always stands up for what I believe in, I felt it necessary to speak my mind. I may not have a ton of experience in the sport, and I may never accumulate your level of experience, but I do know how hard the DZO works to make Skydive Snohomish a positive place. After your words and actions today, I believe his decision to no longer allow you to jump there is a step in the right direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #20 June 24, 2004 So you believe extorting the full purchase price for a cancelled purchase of a camera helmet BEFORE I could get my rigs and helmets and BBQ off the DZ ( which I used over the weekend at my own expense to cook food for quite a few people as part of that whole trying to make it a better place thing you speak of) is a good business practice? The helmet was ordered on friday and I cancelled the order on Monday.. it was still not even there today. Even if it had arrived there and was fully paid for I believe on a standard item not a custom you would have 3 days to return it for WHATEVER reason. The whole issue would and could have been handled far better but everything seems to be soooo personal there. DO NOT SWEAR AT SNOHOMISH( interesting rationalization by the way) An apology from him would have gone over far better but that will not happen because he does not have it within himself to realize or to admit he made an error in judgement in his customer service skillset. As I told you on the phone on Monday when I cancelled the order.. I no longer want to do business with someone like that. I guess I am in good company with all the other people Tyson has "BANNED" or driven away with his attitude from his DZ when he has a difference of opinion with them. I was ALREADY self banning myself from your dropzone. My words and that is all they were no actions whatsoever... were in response to his attempted extortion which I found to be highly petty. I cancelled the order with you on MONDAY That order for a helmet , a helmet I might add that he is a dealer for.... and was not even the one I wanted.... the one I wanted he would have to get several from Bonehead so they could be fit properly for ME the CUSTOMER. I was getting that helmet so I could further enrich him by doing tandem video. Pros of Snohomish. Some great people jump there and a good learning environment for students. Stunning scenery of the northern Puget Sound and Admiralty Inlet with the panorama of the North Cascades to the East.. and the Olympic Mountains to the west with Puget sound in between. 2 C-182 and a newer roomier C206 that are well maintained with Kapowsins Grand Caravan during the summer months of July to Sept. Cons DZO who alienates far too many people for having the audacity to have a difference of opinion with him on whatever his whim. Airport LZ limited to only C and D license jumpers( altho he has not allowed visitors with the credentials from USPA to jump there even then based on TSS)( exceptions to the rule go the other way as well if TSS) East Field (student landing)landing area on the other side of town where some people get forgotten about and not picked up by the short bus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #21 June 24, 2004 Hi Amazon & Cassielou I enjoy reading stories of people getting banned, fired, disgruntled empoyee's etc. I spent 3 wks at a DZ in Florida and a buddy came thru the next day and he told me "R.I.P. they don't want you back". I just laughed and told him "to bad I'm a unhappy customer and already made the decision that I won't be coming back. My wife quit her job at the state womens prison because the people in prison aren't nice and then you have to deal with the inmates. The employee's are total power and control freaks and the inmates have few options. The prison couldn't have one of their employees quitting a desirable cradle to the grave state job, so they started a rumor that my wife was fired. No problem here. Whats the difference between a disgruntled employee and a Mc job? The person who tells the story! The employer or the employee! Unless we're DZ working bee's at a DZ we have every right as a customer to go to whatever DZ will treat us the way we expect to be treated. Just like any customer in any other business except prison or the military. The DZO has every right to run his business the way he/she wants to. If they want to cater to $$$$ tandems and AFF good for them as long as they have the staff to support it. If they can't find a balance between the fun jumpers and Tandems Eventually the fun jumpers will get the message and look for better customer service at another DZ. No wailing, no flailing, no bitching, no name calling. See you later! BTW amazon if you decide to jump at another local DZ let me know whats up. Snohomish was to far north, Kapows future imo may be questionable, Toledo looks a little to far south but Blue sky's might work if they have the good vibes. Might see you there this weekend for the big lift if the weather OK. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cassielou 0 #22 June 24, 2004 Enough is enough. Honestly, I don't want to argue with you. I don't have the time or energy to prove my point over and over again. No one else is "banned" from Skydive Snohomish. Only on one other occasion did someone lose their jumping priveleges at the DZ for inappropriate behavior. The issue was handled privately, and has since been resolved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cassielou 0 #23 June 24, 2004 Amen, slug! Thanks for your objective input. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #24 June 24, 2004 QuoteOnly on one other occasion did someone lose their jumping priveleges at the DZ for inappropriate behavior When you have children someday, you will discover their birthday and your promises to them are sacrosanct. As one of your Tandem Masters he told the DZ he would be unable to work that day for that reason far in advance. He was angry when the DZO scheduled him for work that day anyway. He was supposed to take his daughter to a Mariners baseball game as he had promised her... to keep from losing his job he had to break his promise. No wonder he was angry in front of a customer ( his inappropriate behavior exacerbated by????????). I would have been absolutely livid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cassielou 0 #25 June 24, 2004 That must be the great thing about this forum for you. It allows you to post one side of a story and call it fact. 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ACMESkydiver 0 #6 June 23, 2004 Hey Scotty I'm gonna check out the DZ on Friday...wil you be around?? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #7 June 23, 2004 QuoteYup dats where I will be..big airplane loads with the GK...pilots who can fly a formation load if the skydivers want to do something larger than a 4 way...... OUCH, was that a slap I heard??? Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GogglesnTeeth 6 #8 June 23, 2004 My gimpy self will be there on Friday, and probably a good chunk of the rest of the weekend as well. Don't know if I'll be able to jump.... depends on the knee, but still should be a cool weekend! Big planes at Blue Skies... what a concept!!!!!Goggles and Teeth "You fall like a greased safe!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #9 June 23, 2004 OMG! Scotty and Jeanne and I will have to do a red-head jump out at Blue Skies! Maybe Saturday early mornin'? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeaKev 0 #10 June 23, 2004 Dammit! I wanna go, but somebody we threw outa da plane on Sunday has decided to start AFF this weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #11 June 23, 2004 YEA!!!!! So she likes it then, yes??? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #12 June 23, 2004 QuoteDammit! I wanna go, but somebody we threw outa da plane on Sunday has decided to start AFF this weekend. They will maybe be doing AFF at Bremerton. Call Kapowsin and ask, then let your friend come do AFF out of the OTTER! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeaKev 0 #13 June 23, 2004 She likes it. Jeanne and I chased her out, Jeanne docked, I played it safe and lurked. Mike was doing practice vid, so that was a bonus. She's already signed up for Saturday's beer jump course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 June 24, 2004 I second that.. I will be down at Kapow a LOT more now..the tandem factory has worn way too thin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cassielou 0 #15 June 24, 2004 Tandem factory, huh? Tandems bring bigger airplanes to small drop zones (Turbo 206, Caravan). Bigger airplanes bring bigger-than-4-ways for licensed jumpers. It's all a big chain of events that give licensed jumpers a place for recreation. Each link has to be there for the sport to survive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 June 24, 2004 And the DZO needs to not have a personality conflict with MANY of the experienced jumpers in the area.. due to whatever issues he has. The experienced jumpers.. as well as the tandems are there to have FUN not just to provide a source of business for you. Keep it balanced... Get someone in manifest that can actually keep the planes running for experienced jumpers in between the non stop tandems on a weekend. 9 AM Tandem Class Noon Tandem Class 3 PM Tandem Class 6 PM Tandem Class Sat Afternoon student loads Train the pilots so they are capable of doing a formation load to allow for more people in the air for the tracking dives or something larger than a 4 way. Other DZ's do it all the time. There are 2 C-182 there and a C-206.. those are the kind of loads that make a day special..... and fun for everyone at the DZ to watch or participate in. ITs called being inclusive.. I know you will take this as a slam.. because that is the prevailing attitude.. rather than any form of constructive critisism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cassielou 0 #17 June 24, 2004 Terms like "FUN" and "PERSONAL ISSUES" are definitely relative. Fun (by its most common definition) is had at Skydive Snohomish by both first-time and many-time jumpers on a daily basis. Speaking of DZO's, shall we discuss the other DZO's in WA whom you have trash-talked publicly? Interesting how the personality conflicts seem to follow you around the state. You have so much to offer the sport of skydiving. It would be great if you could see outside your world well enough to share your experience, talents, and abilities in a way that doesn't create so much drama around the DZ. That's all I have to say about that. Signing off! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 June 24, 2004 How you doin Tyson QuoteSpeaking of DZO's, shall we discuss the other DZO's in WA whom you have trash-talked publicly Interesting tactic very interesting indeed.. untrue.. but interesting. There is a vast difference between pointing out the pros of a DZ and its cons, than calling it trash talking.. perhaps if YOU got out and about to more DZ's you would realize the myriad of ways there are to run a dropzone. Dont be so insular.. expand your knowledge instead of persisting in rigid ways. Go to some of those other DZ... and get others opinions of what I talked about up above... its there.... and the emperers new clothes aint all he thinks they are. Alot of people are amazed I lasted as long as I did there at Snohomish. Can I invite you for a free jump at Kapowsin.. or at Blue Skies.. or how about Toledo.. I have jumped at all of them.. PS ( CassieLou.. who never posted here before is the DZO's Grilfriend) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cassielou 0 #19 June 24, 2004 Actually, this is Elaine. Tyson is actually out working on the new manifest area - to benefit licensed jumpers. So personal attacks must be part of pointing out pros and cons of a DZ? Hmmm.... Anyway, I didn't sign on to battle back and forth with you. I am one of the only people who has heard both sides of the story. And, as someone who volunteers endlessly to make the DZ a better place, loves the DZ and all the people who jump there, and always stands up for what I believe in, I felt it necessary to speak my mind. I may not have a ton of experience in the sport, and I may never accumulate your level of experience, but I do know how hard the DZO works to make Skydive Snohomish a positive place. After your words and actions today, I believe his decision to no longer allow you to jump there is a step in the right direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #20 June 24, 2004 So you believe extorting the full purchase price for a cancelled purchase of a camera helmet BEFORE I could get my rigs and helmets and BBQ off the DZ ( which I used over the weekend at my own expense to cook food for quite a few people as part of that whole trying to make it a better place thing you speak of) is a good business practice? The helmet was ordered on friday and I cancelled the order on Monday.. it was still not even there today. Even if it had arrived there and was fully paid for I believe on a standard item not a custom you would have 3 days to return it for WHATEVER reason. The whole issue would and could have been handled far better but everything seems to be soooo personal there. DO NOT SWEAR AT SNOHOMISH( interesting rationalization by the way) An apology from him would have gone over far better but that will not happen because he does not have it within himself to realize or to admit he made an error in judgement in his customer service skillset. As I told you on the phone on Monday when I cancelled the order.. I no longer want to do business with someone like that. I guess I am in good company with all the other people Tyson has "BANNED" or driven away with his attitude from his DZ when he has a difference of opinion with them. I was ALREADY self banning myself from your dropzone. My words and that is all they were no actions whatsoever... were in response to his attempted extortion which I found to be highly petty. I cancelled the order with you on MONDAY That order for a helmet , a helmet I might add that he is a dealer for.... and was not even the one I wanted.... the one I wanted he would have to get several from Bonehead so they could be fit properly for ME the CUSTOMER. I was getting that helmet so I could further enrich him by doing tandem video. Pros of Snohomish. Some great people jump there and a good learning environment for students. Stunning scenery of the northern Puget Sound and Admiralty Inlet with the panorama of the North Cascades to the East.. and the Olympic Mountains to the west with Puget sound in between. 2 C-182 and a newer roomier C206 that are well maintained with Kapowsins Grand Caravan during the summer months of July to Sept. Cons DZO who alienates far too many people for having the audacity to have a difference of opinion with him on whatever his whim. Airport LZ limited to only C and D license jumpers( altho he has not allowed visitors with the credentials from USPA to jump there even then based on TSS)( exceptions to the rule go the other way as well if TSS) East Field (student landing)landing area on the other side of town where some people get forgotten about and not picked up by the short bus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #21 June 24, 2004 Hi Amazon & Cassielou I enjoy reading stories of people getting banned, fired, disgruntled empoyee's etc. I spent 3 wks at a DZ in Florida and a buddy came thru the next day and he told me "R.I.P. they don't want you back". I just laughed and told him "to bad I'm a unhappy customer and already made the decision that I won't be coming back. My wife quit her job at the state womens prison because the people in prison aren't nice and then you have to deal with the inmates. The employee's are total power and control freaks and the inmates have few options. The prison couldn't have one of their employees quitting a desirable cradle to the grave state job, so they started a rumor that my wife was fired. No problem here. Whats the difference between a disgruntled employee and a Mc job? The person who tells the story! The employer or the employee! Unless we're DZ working bee's at a DZ we have every right as a customer to go to whatever DZ will treat us the way we expect to be treated. Just like any customer in any other business except prison or the military. The DZO has every right to run his business the way he/she wants to. If they want to cater to $$$$ tandems and AFF good for them as long as they have the staff to support it. If they can't find a balance between the fun jumpers and Tandems Eventually the fun jumpers will get the message and look for better customer service at another DZ. No wailing, no flailing, no bitching, no name calling. See you later! BTW amazon if you decide to jump at another local DZ let me know whats up. Snohomish was to far north, Kapows future imo may be questionable, Toledo looks a little to far south but Blue sky's might work if they have the good vibes. Might see you there this weekend for the big lift if the weather OK. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cassielou 0 #22 June 24, 2004 Enough is enough. Honestly, I don't want to argue with you. I don't have the time or energy to prove my point over and over again. No one else is "banned" from Skydive Snohomish. Only on one other occasion did someone lose their jumping priveleges at the DZ for inappropriate behavior. The issue was handled privately, and has since been resolved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cassielou 0 #23 June 24, 2004 Amen, slug! Thanks for your objective input. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #24 June 24, 2004 QuoteOnly on one other occasion did someone lose their jumping priveleges at the DZ for inappropriate behavior When you have children someday, you will discover their birthday and your promises to them are sacrosanct. As one of your Tandem Masters he told the DZ he would be unable to work that day for that reason far in advance. He was angry when the DZO scheduled him for work that day anyway. He was supposed to take his daughter to a Mariners baseball game as he had promised her... to keep from losing his job he had to break his promise. No wonder he was angry in front of a customer ( his inappropriate behavior exacerbated by????????). I would have been absolutely livid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cassielou 0 #25 June 24, 2004 That must be the great thing about this forum for you. It allows you to post one side of a story and call it fact. Regardless, I truly wish you everything good, fun, and successful, Amazon. As I said earlier, you really do have so much to offer a DZ. I'm glad i had the opportunity to meet you while you 'lasted as long as you did' at Snohomish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
