peacefuljeffrey 0 #1 July 4, 2004 I'm wondering if I'm the only one. I enjoyed the story (won't mention spoilers here), but I have to say that the action was LAAAAME. My absolute favorite part of the movie was watching Dr. Octopus move around and strike. The way he would scale buildings with three mechanical arms while holding a person with the fourth was an incredible effect! But the fight sequences between him and Spiderman were horrible. The physical motion (a lot like the ridiculous-looking web-swinging that Spiderman does) was very "off" from realistic-looking physics. And when Spiderman shoots webs at objects coming at him, how does he reverse their direction by swinging the webs a certain way to make the objects hurl back toward the thrower? Look, when I gripe about this kind of thing in movies, people invariably say, "Oh, for cryin' out loud, it's a movie!" but there are some things that even in a science-fiction movie just defy the willing suspension of disbelief. (Spiderman stopping a subway train is one of them.) Anyone else have trouble with the motion effects and the physics of Spiderman II? Blue skies, -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #2 July 4, 2004 QuoteI'm wondering if I'm the only one.*** Yes. Yes you were the only one...... =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #3 July 4, 2004 ugh. the plot was too contrived. **SPOILER ALERT** I didn't like the part where Peter "lost" his spider powers. It was too damn convenient that when he wanted to stop being spiderman, the powers left him, so he couldn't be spidey even if he wanted to change his mind. It was too easy. Would've been better if he'd kept the powers and chose not to use them. More emotional struggle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #4 July 4, 2004 No I don't think so. It was the emotional turmoil of not knowing what to do that caused him to lose the powers. "Realistically" the powers probably would have come back even if he choose not to be a super hero because the emotion would have passed. Frankly the fact that he can shoot webs from his arm bugs me. It is a mechanical device he invented in the comics. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #5 July 4, 2004 by you title I would imagine spider man to is hard to please. what did you do that left him disappointed? lol I saw it last night. I am NOT a fan of toby macguires but I used to love spiderman as a kid. I think his acting was a little better in this movie and the effect were pretty interesting. but "for crying out loud its just a movie" LOL I like the way doc okt arms moved. I ESPECIALLY like they way they made the arms brace the weight and counterbalance them selves when tossing stuff etcMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #6 July 4, 2004 I thought it was very good. I really liked the development of Dr. Octavius' character, and the way in which he, like Norman Osborn (Willem Dafoe in the first picture) was corrupted by what he was trying to do. The underlying message, aside from creating a credible heavy for Parker / Spidey to overcome, is "It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature". Prof. Octavius was even more of a tragic figure than Osborn, IMHO, because although he had ambitions, he was a serious researcher looking for a beneficial breakthrough, not a corporate robber-baron looking for a bonanza. Octavius was a true believer in using his genius as a force for good. That he was overcome by it and became just the opposite was a powerful dramatic piece. The later revealing interaction between the characters at the climax of the film was even more powerful in terms of drama. In short, Dude, the trick is "suspension of disbelief", which won't happen if you get bogged down in nitpicking technical minutiae... Take a page from the Bard: But pardon, Gentles all: The flat unraised Spirits, that hath dared, On this unworthy Scaffold, to bring forth So great an Object. Can this Cock-Pit hold The vast fields of France? Or may we cram Within this wooden O, the very casks That did affright the air at Agincourt? O pardon: since a crooked figure may Attest in little place a million, And let us, cyphers to this great accompt, On your imaginary forces work. Suppose within the girdle of these walls Are now confined two mighty monarchies, Whose high, up-reared, and abutting fronts, The perilous narrow ocean parts asunder. Piece out our imperfections with your thoughts: Into a thousand parts divide one man, And make imaginary puissance. Thinke when we talk of Horses, that you see them Printing their proud Hoofes in the receiving earth: For 'tis your thoughts that now must deck our Kings, Carry them here and there: Jumping over times; Turning the accomplishment of many years Into an hourglass: for the which supply, Admit me chorus to this History; Who prologue-like, your humble patience pray, Gently to hear, kindly to judge our play. -- Henry V Prologue mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #7 July 4, 2004 QuoteI left Spiderman II disappointed It all goes back to the old saying...if some people aren't bitching they aren't breathing. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CrazyIvan 0 #8 July 4, 2004 I made a post before saying that is was a good flick, but NOT that good, too mushy and not enough action. The good thing about that...is that I downloaded the bootleg, but...I think I kinda wasted my bandwidth anyway. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #9 July 4, 2004 Quoteby you title I would imagine spider man to is hard to please. what did you do that left him disappointed? lol Cute! I like puns like that. QuoteI like the way doc okt arms moved. I ESPECIALLY like they way they made the arms brace the weight and counterbalance them selves when tossing stuff etc Yes, that too was very important to me to see. There were a couple of times when it didn't seem that they were braced, like when he threw bank security guards. Most of the time, though, yeah, he was more or less braced. Should probably have been with at least two arms, but usually it seemed to be just one. I was just pleased with some of the ... disclosures he made to those around him. WHEW, what a weight off his chest! Blue skies, --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Nightingale 0 #3 July 4, 2004 ugh. the plot was too contrived. **SPOILER ALERT** I didn't like the part where Peter "lost" his spider powers. It was too damn convenient that when he wanted to stop being spiderman, the powers left him, so he couldn't be spidey even if he wanted to change his mind. It was too easy. Would've been better if he'd kept the powers and chose not to use them. More emotional struggle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #4 July 4, 2004 No I don't think so. It was the emotional turmoil of not knowing what to do that caused him to lose the powers. "Realistically" the powers probably would have come back even if he choose not to be a super hero because the emotion would have passed. Frankly the fact that he can shoot webs from his arm bugs me. It is a mechanical device he invented in the comics. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #5 July 4, 2004 by you title I would imagine spider man to is hard to please. what did you do that left him disappointed? lol I saw it last night. I am NOT a fan of toby macguires but I used to love spiderman as a kid. I think his acting was a little better in this movie and the effect were pretty interesting. but "for crying out loud its just a movie" LOL I like the way doc okt arms moved. I ESPECIALLY like they way they made the arms brace the weight and counterbalance them selves when tossing stuff etcMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #6 July 4, 2004 I thought it was very good. I really liked the development of Dr. Octavius' character, and the way in which he, like Norman Osborn (Willem Dafoe in the first picture) was corrupted by what he was trying to do. The underlying message, aside from creating a credible heavy for Parker / Spidey to overcome, is "It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature". Prof. Octavius was even more of a tragic figure than Osborn, IMHO, because although he had ambitions, he was a serious researcher looking for a beneficial breakthrough, not a corporate robber-baron looking for a bonanza. Octavius was a true believer in using his genius as a force for good. That he was overcome by it and became just the opposite was a powerful dramatic piece. The later revealing interaction between the characters at the climax of the film was even more powerful in terms of drama. In short, Dude, the trick is "suspension of disbelief", which won't happen if you get bogged down in nitpicking technical minutiae... Take a page from the Bard: But pardon, Gentles all: The flat unraised Spirits, that hath dared, On this unworthy Scaffold, to bring forth So great an Object. Can this Cock-Pit hold The vast fields of France? Or may we cram Within this wooden O, the very casks That did affright the air at Agincourt? O pardon: since a crooked figure may Attest in little place a million, And let us, cyphers to this great accompt, On your imaginary forces work. Suppose within the girdle of these walls Are now confined two mighty monarchies, Whose high, up-reared, and abutting fronts, The perilous narrow ocean parts asunder. Piece out our imperfections with your thoughts: Into a thousand parts divide one man, And make imaginary puissance. Thinke when we talk of Horses, that you see them Printing their proud Hoofes in the receiving earth: For 'tis your thoughts that now must deck our Kings, Carry them here and there: Jumping over times; Turning the accomplishment of many years Into an hourglass: for the which supply, Admit me chorus to this History; Who prologue-like, your humble patience pray, Gently to hear, kindly to judge our play. -- Henry V Prologue mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #7 July 4, 2004 QuoteI left Spiderman II disappointed It all goes back to the old saying...if some people aren't bitching they aren't breathing. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #8 July 4, 2004 I made a post before saying that is was a good flick, but NOT that good, too mushy and not enough action. The good thing about that...is that I downloaded the bootleg, but...I think I kinda wasted my bandwidth anyway. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #9 July 4, 2004 Quoteby you title I would imagine spider man to is hard to please. what did you do that left him disappointed? lol Cute! I like puns like that. QuoteI like the way doc okt arms moved. I ESPECIALLY like they way they made the arms brace the weight and counterbalance them selves when tossing stuff etc Yes, that too was very important to me to see. There were a couple of times when it didn't seem that they were braced, like when he threw bank security guards. Most of the time, though, yeah, he was more or less braced. Should probably have been with at least two arms, but usually it seemed to be just one. I was just pleased with some of the ... disclosures he made to those around him. WHEW, what a weight off his chest! Blue skies, --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
