bch7773 0 #26 July 7, 2004 oh geeeez. harharhar. something tells me that all the normal non-scientific people on here are scratching their heads and saying "I don't get that joke" MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #27 July 7, 2004 Quoteoh geeeez. harharhar. something tells me that all the normal non-scientific people on here are scratching their heads and saying "I don't get that joke" You're probably right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #28 July 7, 2004 QuoteA better plot device would have been to give the material a numerical value like "tritium 90" (a tweak on Strontium), or some silly techno-moniker like "proto-tritium" or "neo-tritium" or "crypto-tritium" (more appropriate ) - in short, anything but the plain ol' isotope used to make hydrogen bombs go boom... either that or not say that there were only 25 lbs of it on the planet...there was no need to make that remark, other than that the writers needed a plot device to motivate Dr. Octavius, and the details got hosed...oops... But don't you think it's not unreasonable of me to expect the makers of a $100million+++ super-feature-movie to get this RIGHT? I mean, for crying out loud, Harry Osbourne kept the "tritium" in a safe right there in his very residence, as though it were the most precious thing the company Oscorp had!! Something like this SURELY deserved more attention from the writers and continuity editors. Wasn't there ONE person connected with making this movie -- I don't care if it was a friggin' GAFFER -- who could have stepped up and gone to the director and said, "Uh, sir, forgive me for saying so, but this 'tritium' thing makes the movie look awful dumb... Isn't there a better, rarer, more precious and possibly more dangerous radioactive element that could be referenced in the film?" Inexcusable, in my view. - mh .-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #29 July 7, 2004 QuoteThis is fairly simple. Tritium is an isotope of hydrogen. There is an area in the North Pacific that contains tritium-rich salt water...far more than the 25 pounds listed in the movie. This is the second post you've made on Spiderman 2. Jeffy, it blew away your precious F911 by your God and savior, Michael Moron. Get over it. Let it go. Go skydive or something. Have you been sleeping through my posts? I HATE Michael Moron. Where did you ever get the sense that I was his fan or defender? I'd like to see him staked to an anthill! Try to keep up, Tuna. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #30 July 7, 2004 QuoteI'm sure many of the key people in the movie including the writers knew the real deal. But the fact is that when your just looking to entertain the masses, scientific accuracy is purely optional. My favorite Men in Black quote is "A person is smart. People are dumb." That said...What the hell is up with Spiderman having strength like Superman? Well, even if he had only the standard "10 tons press" strength that the middling Marvel heroes have (see "The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe"), there is no reason why ONE PUNCH could not have separated the head of Doctor Octopus from his body, given that Ock is just a human (albeit deranged) with mechanical arms grafted to his body. But there goes Spidey, punching him repeatedly, having verrry little effect. Dumb dumb dumb. And as far as "It was just easy to use a simplistic thing like tritium," there is no reason why it wouldn't have been just as easy to cite dozens of other things instead. It's NOT as though the producers had to actually OBTAIN any REAL rare isotope or element!! The only possible "difficulty" would have been that of simply typing a different word into the script a few times. That defense you offered is inadequate. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #31 July 7, 2004 QuoteTo put this in perspective....we're talking about the lack of realism in the movie about the guy with super powers from being bitten by a radioactive spider, right? Yes, and I realize you are joking, but there IS a difference between willing suspension of disbelief and what you are asking for, which would be having no standards of realism at all. Look, if a character in a movie is in New York and calls a friend on the telephone in L.A., and the friend is getting into his car, and he says, "I'll be over soon. We'll get dinner," and then two hours later pulls up in the driveway in NY, you'd have a legitimate gripe about the "realism" of the film -- even if it were Spiderman II. See, we suspend disbelief for things like radioactive spider bites causing such a fortunate mutation... not about real everyday things like how long it takes to drive from L.A. to NY. You see the difference, right? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #32 July 7, 2004 Quotereal everyday things like how long it takes to drive from L.A. to NY. You see the difference, right? That depends, it might take you a few days but if you take the "wormhole" off Route 80 East, you can be in NY in 3.2 secs.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #33 July 7, 2004 >"Uh, sir, forgive me for saying so, but this 'tritium' thing makes the > movie look awful dumb... Isn't there a better, rarer, more precious > and possibly more dangerous radioactive element that could be > referenced in the film?" ?? Tritium _is_ the primary fuel used by ICF reactors. It was about the only thing they got right. It's pretty rare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #34 July 7, 2004 Quote>"Uh, sir, forgive me for saying so, but this 'tritium' thing makes the > movie look awful dumb... Isn't there a better, rarer, more precious > and possibly more dangerous radioactive element that could be > referenced in the film?" ?? Tritium _is_ the primary fuel used by ICF reactors. It was about the only thing they got right. It's pretty rare. Have you been reading entire posts or just skimming them? I specified that the movie said there are just "25 pounds of tritium on the planet." That is grossly inaccurate, even if it is "rare." And whether or not it is used in ICF reactors, it is hardly the ultra-precious, must-capture-Spiderman-for-me-if-you-want-my-tritium-supply element that they portrayed it to be in the film I found it pretty ridiculous when Spiderman would shoot webs at projectiles that had been thrown at him and yank the webs to the side, and the projectiles would change -- no, they would REVERSE -- direction. He did stuff like that over and over, and it looked BAD. Then at one point he got hurled toward the front of the train (they were fighting on the roof), and then came crashing back down on Doctor Octopus as though he'd been hurled AT him. I'd have to watch this scene again, but it didn't look physically even plausible. Talk about your "put your brain on hold" movies. This was one of the worst of them. Spoiler below: Why would the original Green Goblin have put his armory of Green Goblin weapons and attire behind a simple MIRROR in his STUDY? Talk about your ridiculous plot contrivances -- they did this simply so that Harry could discover his father's old stuff. But for all the secrecy of the Goblin, to leave his stuff where anyone who happened to accidentally break that mirror could discover it... Just dumb screenplay writing, in my view. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #35 July 7, 2004 Quotethere is no reason why ONE PUNCH could not have separated the head of Doctor Octopus from his body Hey that's simple, he didn't want to really hurt Doc Ock becuase he realized he was under the influence of the arms. Now where's my no-prize!? By the way, what was with him losing his mask every second scene?I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #36 July 7, 2004 OMG, the "No-Prize"!!! I had totally forgotten that! You surely get one. I guess I had not thought of the idea that maybe Spiderman hoped to be able to defeat Octavius and maybe get him returned to normal. It's too bad that the movie doesn't have "thought bubbles" to show what Spidey's thinking. In this case, they could have had one that said, "Can't hurt Doc -- he's not in his right mind! Got to knock him out and maybe Reed Richards can figure a way to get those arms off him!" Blargh. Maybe in the next movie they'll do that. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #37 July 7, 2004 So, it wouldn't bother you if they made up some element and called Whozawhatsit 42, but since they made up the amount of tritium in existence you're buggin? Dude......take a deep breath. You want realism watch the discovery channel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #38 July 7, 2004 >I specified that the movie said there are just "25 pounds of tritium on >the planet." That is grossly inaccurate, even if it is "rare." As Kallend pointed out, there's only around 16 pounds of naturally occurring tritium at any given time on the planet. Add in artificially produced tritium and you're at something over 16 pounds. A pound of hydrogen takes up 190 cubic feet; tritium is somewhat heavier, but a pound of the stuff still wouldn't fit in a phone booth unless it's in liquid or solid form. But you're right; you have to put your brain on hold when reading a comic book (or watching a movie made from one.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dperrotta 0 #39 July 8, 2004 Yeah it made me laugh and comment myself. Its pretty light stuff but it aint that scarce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #40 July 8, 2004 QuoteSo, it wouldn't bother you if they made up some element and called Whozawhatsit 42, but since they made up the amount of tritium in existence you're buggin? Dude......take a deep breath. You want realism watch the discovery channel. Well, who knows, maybe I was wrong to pick on the movie's use of tritium for the reactor in the first place. I was not using the knowledge of a professional physicist, only the fact that I know tritium is not some high-energy, highly dangerous stuff. What I know of it did not seem suited to its use in the dangerous, perilous experiments performed by Dr. Octavius. What is "ICF" as in "ICF reactor," anyway? I musta missed the origin of the acronym. (And is something an "acronym" if it is a bunch of letter initials that can't really be pronounced?) --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #41 July 8, 2004 QuoteI was not using the knowledge of a professional physicist, only the fact that I know tritium is not some high-energy, highly dangerous stuff. Dangerous? Not really. High-energy? On its own, no. But fuse it with deuterium and you get one hell of an impressive show. Here's a link to some info on ICF (inertial confinement fusion) http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/thyd/icf/DT_fusion.htmlSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #42 July 8, 2004 I'm trying to think up more Spidey references but I'm so tried ... must ... sleep... want ... sleep ... NO! Must... Not ... Lose... Conciousness... I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #43 July 8, 2004 Quote Spoiler below: Why would the original Green Goblin have put his armory of Green Goblin weapons and attire behind a simple MIRROR in his STUDY? Talk about your ridiculous plot contrivances -- they did this simply so that Harry could discover his father's old stuff. But for all the secrecy of the Goblin, to leave his stuff where anyone who happened to accidentally break that mirror could discover it... Just dumb screenplay writing, in my view. - In the first movie Osborne asks "Where are you?!" when looking for the person that is laughing at him. The voice responds "Right here!" and appears in the mirror. The conversation Harry has with his Dad creates a solid connection to the first movie and hiding the entrance to the Goblin lair behind the mirror literally ties the movie into Goblin's answer of "Right Here."_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joshjumps 0 #44 July 8, 2004 Quote> I am often amused by what movie writers are inspired by. Even when someone who know the subject inside and out is involved (like BJ Worth, who wrote Drop Zone) the details get confused. Umm I'm not sure but I think BJ would be surprised to find out he wrote that movie. Maybe your thinking of Guy Manos? Josh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
