need help. Maybe you recognize the bag?

[Fronzee 0]

Hello,

I have a bag (aero safety systems or Zodiac now) but I cannot find any information about this bag. The parachute inside isn't the original from Parachutes de France but old Phantom 28.

Maybe you recognize it and could help me.

Thanks

[likestojump 3]

not to sound like a smartass, but why not call the phone number on the patch :) ?

[IanHarrop 42]

It looks like it might be a PEP (Pilot Emergency Parachute), can you confirm this?

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[Fronzee 0]

Yes, it is rescue parachute National Phantom 28 but in not original bag. And the problem why I am asking is that I cannot find manual how to put canopy correctly into this bag.

I'm glider pilot so I dont know much about parachutes... Maybe there arent any special combination for putting it in?

[AggieDave 6]

I don't know what country you are in, but there is a high probability that you aren't allowed to put it in the bag, that you need a licensed rigger.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[IanHarrop 42]

In North America there are rules about who can pack a Pilot Emergency Parachute (PEP). I can't comment on the rules where you are because I don't know what country you are in BUT there is an excellent chance that these same rules are in place in your area.

People who pack PEPs are known as Riggers. If you can supply your location someone on here may be able to suggest a rigger in your area that may be able to help you.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[Fronzee 0]

In my country (Lithuania) rules are not very strict, however I'm not going to pack it by myself. But still I need the information about the bag...

[JerryBaumchen 1,451]

Hi Fronzee,

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but I cannot find any information about this bag.

I am thinking by 'bag' what you mean is the container. I know that you are not in the USA but here in the USA ( ) when we use the term 'bag' we mean a deployment bag. A Phantom 24 canopy does not pack into a deployment bag; it has a full-stow diaper on the canopy and packs directly into the container.

Or am I completely wrong in my thinking?

JerryBaumchen

[Fronzee 0]

You probably know more than me (as I said) :) And yes, when I was saying bag I meant the "thing" in which canopy lies, so whatever it is (or is it a BIG difference?)

Still no advices?

[jimmytavino 16]

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well IF there are NO rules..........then

just 4 line it....
flake it,
christmas tree it,
s - fold the hem into the deployment strap or locking stow...
stow the lines with whatever rubber bands are present,
and then s-fold the whole thing into the container. If it needs a kicker plate, use one,,,,
compress the pilot chute,,,,mate up the cones and grommets,,,and close it up with the pins that are on the cable... stow the handle ,,,, and If it has bungees!!!!!!!!!
HOOK 'em UP !!!!!



jmy

[IanHarrop 42]

Can you supply a photograph of a label on the container with model # information.

On lots of equipment it orange, but not necessarily.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[JerryBaumchen 1,451]

Hi Frozee ( again ),

Send me an email with your name, mailing address, etc & I will send you a copy of the packing manual for the canopy ONLY.

I have no idea what that container is.

JerryBaumchen

[ronny2 0]

This container is made by a rigger in Holland (Netherlands) it's a copy of a thinback container, very simple to pack a round canopy in it. Mostly used by glider pilots, ther is no packing manual of this container as far as i know.
(The rigger who made this containers died one or two years ago)

[IanHarrop 42]

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This container is made by a rigger in Holland (Netherlands) it's a copy of a thinback container, very simple to pack a round canopy in it. Mostly used by glider pilots, ther is no packing manual of this container as far as i know.
(The rigger who made this containers died one or two years ago)

If thats the case then for the original poster here is a link to the thinback manual.
http://www.parachutesaustralia.com/s2/pdf_doc/thinback_manual.pdf

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[Fronzee 0]

Thank you. Maybe anyone could guide me also, which type of packing i should follow from the manual above?

[pchapman 279]

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Thank you. Maybe anyone could guide me also, which type of packing i should follow from the manual above?

Which one? The only one that makes sense.

Which may be a little confusing if you aren't experienced with English and parachute rigging.

One packing method in the Thinback manual is for canopies without a diaper, that stow the lines in elastics in the container. Since you have a Phantom canopy with a diaper, that does not apply.

The other packing method for the canopy is incorrect too, as it is not quite what is done for the Phantom canopy. Use an actual Phantom manual for that. (See the offer made to you or maybe it is online at one of the couple rigging sites like Parachutemanuals.com)

Canopies should generally be packed according to the canopy manual even if the container manual is different.

What you do use from the manual is the last part which shows how the packed canopy fits into the container. That is the part to use, because that is about the container, not the canopy alone.

Finding a rigger with round canopy experience would really help...

[skyjumpenfool 2]

I'm not a rigger, but I can help you with this...

Take it to a certified Rigger!!!!!!!!

That piece of nylon may be your last chance to live a long and happy life. Whatever they charge you is worth the peace of mind alone.

Clearly, if you don't know the difference between a bag and a container, you have no business packing that parachute. You can even send it to a rigger if you don’t know one. Unless the cost of shipping is not worth living for???

Birdshit & Fools Productions

"Son, only two things fall from the sky."

[Fronzee 0]

Thank you thank you :) :)
I'm not going to pack it by myself, but i need as much information for my rigger as possible :)

now, probably you explained me everything, so THANK YOU ALL WHO HELPED with this.


Marius

[riggerrob 643]

Before you even contemplate packing that Phantom, confirm that all the Service Bulletins have been done: narrow diaper, extra Kevlar lateral reinforcing bands, pH testing, tensile testing, special small rubber bands, etc.