turtlespeed 226 #26 July 28, 2004 One of the most important tests is 50 questions - simple math - 120 in the class and only 4 of us finished all 50. ANYWAY. He's right though - no matter what - you have never - ever - ever smoked any kind of chemical, taken drugs of any kind - less asparin and OTC drugs. They have no way of knowing - MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF ALL - DO NOT LET THE RECRUITER INTIMIDATE YOU INTO SAYING OR DOING SOMETHING THAT YOU DON"T AGREE WITH!!!!!! They will try - they will do anything they can to fill slots that they need to fill. Don't let them. AGAIN - DO NOT LET THEM INTIMIDATE YOU. You will know when it is important to let them intimidate you. It will be obvious - right after they pick you up from the airport.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #27 July 28, 2004 Quote Quote forgot about this!! We have a lot of problems with our junior guys getting into this situation. There have got to be other financial traps... Oh---AVOID "payday loan" places. They're worse than loan sharks. Anything else? -------------------- Dumbass AF question--I'm at a joint-service base. How do I address Enilisted USN folk? (I'm an AF O-3) is it "Sailor" or "Seaman"? Is it "Petty Officer" or "Mister"? What about Chiefs? GO AIR FORCE! BEAT NAVY! If you don't know their rank - Sailor If you do - it is more polite to address them as e-3 and below - Seaman/airman/fireman e-4 to e-6 as petty officer e-7 as chief e-8 as senior chief or chief(start with senior chief They will tell you if its ok to just say chief) e-9 Master chief - ALWAYS masterchiefI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #28 July 28, 2004 Dude, All the FAGS out there saying Navy people are Gay, should probably find out a little more about what they are talking about before spouting off at the mouth (keyboard in this case). Some of the best people I have ever met where in the Navy. Some of the worst people I have ever met are in the Air Force. I just got out of the Air Force after 8 years of active duty. Now for the advice... 1. DO NOT TRUST YOUR RECRUITER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you seeing a trend here? Recruiters not only have a quota of people to enlist every month, but they need to fill certain jobs. A lot of the time they will tell you that you can change jobs after you come in. I'm not sure about the Navy, but yes you can change jobs in the AF (after 3 years of Active Duty in that carreer field, and when you can change jobs the AF has you pick 5 new jobs out, and then they choose one for you). To allieviate this problem, you NEED to have the job you want picked out, and then tell the recruiter what this job is. When he or she tells you that job is un-available then you tell them to call you when it is available. Expect a call in about 3-5 days "Hey Nathan, I did a bunch of searchin' and I found a slot for you in the job you wanted, but you don't leave untill next year, but I have this other job for kitchen cleaner, that leaves next week. Are you interested?" Hold out for the job that you want. Once you actually get through Basic training, and start the school for the job that you want, then you need to study your ass off. In the AF if you fail out of some Technical School then they put you into another job (I.E. kitchen cleaner). Also don't think that your grades in tech school don't count after you get started doing that job you have trained for. How well you do, has a tendancey to follow you, and will pop up when you least expect it. 2. BE THE GREY MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Basic traing sucks. There's no other way to describe it, and any one who tells you it was fun is a satist. Be the grey man, by not making waves, try not to stick out. Let the drill instructors yell at every one else. When I went through basic, we had some dude who was awesome at being the greyman. It was evident about a week before basic graduation when the Training Instructor came across this guy and asked him "Who the Hell are you? When did you get transfered into this flight?" "I didn't sir, I've been here since day one." "Oh..." I can't even remember his name, he was that good. 3. Your military career is what you make of it... It can be a great time, or it could be really shitty. Try not to let the everyday queep get to you. Everybody is there to do a job, and sometimes they get spun up about little things. Try to take a step back and see how big your current crisis is in the grand scheme of things. 4. Try not to do stupid things... Always ask your self how will this affect me or my buddies before doing something illegal or against the rules. There are usually two ways of doing things the military's way and again. Try not to start off having to do it again. Some times what you are doing may not make since, but that's the way it's done, and usually that's the way it will continue to be done. It kind of goes back to not making waves. In conclusion: 1. ask yourself "Is what I'm doing or about to do going to help me in the long run", 2. be the grey man and not make any waves, 3. study your ass off, 4. keep your spirits high there's always a light at the end of the tunnel, 5. have fun. Good luck brother, your about to change your entire life, but I fell it's probably for the better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #29 July 28, 2004 Quote I agree completely with the "Don't trust a recruiter" I was married to someone in the Air Force and was already living on base and they STILL tried to talk me into jobs I didn't want. The last time I talked to a recruiter was after I took my ASVABs. Granted, he was not really a recruiter. It was for the Army National Guard, and he was the commanding officer of this particular armory. He opened up the sealed envelope, read, his eyes got wide, and he just sat back. He handed me a list. All he said is "this list is all available jobs" (it was freakin long) "pick anything. With a score like that, it's your choice." I believed him, yet I didn't. I'll never know though, as family matters interfered and I never signed up. It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #30 July 28, 2004 ASVAB scores do count for a lot. Scorring high will open up that job list for you. It's not anything to sneeze at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #31 July 28, 2004 Quote ...Some of the worst people I have ever met are in the Air Force... Judging by that attitude, I'd guess we're better having gotten rid of you...Shoulda been a squid? b-o-o-h-o-o... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #32 July 28, 2004 hmm i'd make sure you check on waviers, before you rule out other services completely.... there was a 38 year old in Army basic with us..."Pvt. Pops", if your enlisting for a shortage job field those waviers are easy to get.. but either way.. just remember basic/boot is the largest game of 'simon says' you've ever played, and Drill Sgts really are doing a comedy routine most of the time, they just dont like it when you 'get it' and laugh to often... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #33 July 28, 2004 Most of them were officers. Don't get me wrong, there's lots of good people in the AF, but there were some pretty shitty ones at my last assignment. That entire team thing that the military preaches, didn't seem to apply to them. I got out because I chose to, the AF didn't get rid of me, and as far as the attitude thing goes... Yes, my attitude was changed by some of the shitty officers I served with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #34 July 28, 2004 Quote Most of them were officers. Don't get me wrong, there's lots of good people in the AF, but there were some pretty shitty ones at my last assignment. That entire team thing that the military preaches, didn't seem to apply to them. I got out because I chose to, the AF didn't get rid of me, and as far as the attitude thing goes... Yes, my attitude was changed by some of the shitty officers I served with. Yes, some of my colleagues have no business having a commission...That being said, the differing cultures between different types of squadrons/AFSCs can make a world of difference... What did you do for Mama Blue? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornholio 0 #35 July 28, 2004 Quote hmm i'd make sure you check on waviers, before you rule out other services completely.... there was a 38 year old in Army basic with us..."Pvt. Pops", if your enlisting for a shortage job field those waviers are easy to get.. but either way.. just remember basic/boot is the largest game of 'simon says' you've ever played, and Drill Sgts really are doing a comedy routine most of the time, they just dont like it when you 'get it' and laugh to often... Never been in the armed forces myself, but after watching Full Metal Jacket 100's of times, I can see myself just busting ass over the drill instructor's rude comments to others and myself. Albeit, I''ll probably be the one that gets the shit kicked out of him for it, but I still don't think I could keep a straight face. Good Luck to you Nathan. I surely didn't expect this to happen for you. And btw - Thank You! Butthead: Whoa! Burritos for breakfast! Beavis: Yeah! Yeah! Cool! bellyflier on the dz.com hybrid record jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #36 July 28, 2004 Quote Quote hmm i'd make sure you check on waviers, before you rule out other services completely.... there was a 38 year old in Army basic with us..."Pvt. Pops", if your enlisting for a shortage job field those waviers are easy to get.. but either way.. just remember basic/boot is the largest game of 'simon says' you've ever played, and Drill Sgts really are doing a comedy routine most of the time, they just dont like it when you 'get it' and laugh to often... Never been in the armed forces myself, but after watching Full Metal Jacket 100's of times, I can see myself just busting ass over the drill instructor's rude comments to others and myself. Albeit, I''ll probably be the one that gets the shit kicked out of him for it, but I still don't think I could keep a straight face. Good Luck to you Nathan. I surely didn't expect this to happen for you. And btw - Thank You! Corn - that is SOOOO yesterday - now the DI's have to go through "Sensitivity" training. Fuq load a shit that is - Damn liberals taking away good ol' fasioned discipline and hazing.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #37 July 28, 2004 it is less physical but there are lots of methods to instill discipline without continual (and often pointlessly time wasting) assbeatings... there are 10,000 ways for a DI to make your life hell.... invisible is the way to go..but that is difficult when your 6'4 ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #38 July 28, 2004 Quote In the Sub Crews - as a requirememnt for deployment it is now required that you be single Why is that? I saw a special on sub school, man that looks tough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #39 July 28, 2004 Good luck. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #40 July 28, 2004 Nathan, my brother is in the Air Force, just got his ATC rating. At least for the AF they are stock full of ATC and have withdrawn the signing and resigning bonuses for the MOS. There is an issue of the civilian world not hiring you with less then a few years in the AF on active ATC and they have a funny age hiring clause or some stupid thing like that. All I know is that most the guys in the AF stay in till they retire and then move right into a comfy FAA controller job. And the AF has severely cut its recruiting for ATC, Navy might be different. Good luck!Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #41 July 28, 2004 Sensitivity Training?! Man.....................that's so wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #42 July 28, 2004 Quote Quote In the Sub Crews - as a requirememnt for deployment it is now required that you be single Why is that? I saw a special on sub school, man that looks tough. Just a joke, dude. Just a joke.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #43 July 28, 2004 Quote -Don't do anything stupid, like marry the first girl who smiles at you. I cannot tell you how many first-term Airmen I've inprocessed that already have a Tech school marriage & annulment in their PIF. Don't buy a car from a lot just off base. Those "We Finance--E1 & up!!" guys are not to be trusted. Have a SNCO/Chief help you with a car purchase once you get to your first station/ship. i've seen this myself but for some wierd reason i don't think nathan will have a problem with this.......it's my opinion he's been aroud the block before...lol....... good luck in the navy dude.......... i dated a seaman (a female one damn it) once.... i guess you could say i was "in" the navy for a short time...lol........ ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #44 July 28, 2004 Quote good luck in the navy dude.......... i dated a seaman (a female one damn it) once.... i guess you could say i was "in" the navy for a short time...lol........ lol...I already told the recruiter that I smoked a joint in college. Why is this bad? P.S. Just in college I have never touched anything since Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #45 July 29, 2004 Quote lol...I already told the recruiter that I smoked a joint in college. Why is this bad? disqualifies you from some jobs......... not sure whitch ones though..... the military knows i did much more than 1 so i never even had a chance to find out what jobs i din't get to do.... no biggie though... just proly won't find yourself working with nukes.... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nws01 0 #46 July 29, 2004 Quote no biggie though... just proly won't find yourself working with nukes.... I think after they take one look at me they will know not to put me around nukes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #47 July 29, 2004 BTW.. Nathan plan on studying hard in ATC school. Its got one of the highest washout rates in the AF I guess.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #48 July 29, 2004 Quote lol...I already told the recruiter that I smoked a joint in college. Why is this bad? Not as bad as when they find out you're an operative from the Planet Chromedome, assigned to infiltrate the US military as part of a massive plot to overtake the Earth. Seriously, man....best of luck. Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #49 July 29, 2004 I was an F-15 crew chief at Edwards for the first 4 years, and then a parachuting instructor at the Academy for the last 4 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #50 July 29, 2004 Quote In conclusion: 1. ask yourself "Is what I'm doing or about to do going to help me in the long run", 2. be the grey man and not make any waves, 3. study your ass off, 4. keep your spirits high there's always a light at the end of the tunnel, 5. have fun. Couldn't have stated it better myself. I'll reiterate, hold out for the job you want! Don't get suckered in to some bullshit duty for 4 years. Of course your ASVAB scores will determine what you qualify for, so good work on getting ahead there. If your drill instructor doesn't know your name after the first 3 weeks (I take pride in that), you're right where you need to be. Do what you're told and do it right the first time. I'm sure you'll do well. Good luck _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
