jumperconway 0 #1 August 12, 2004 Do a search on "graviola" and good luck!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy 0 #2 August 12, 2004 Thanks. Do you know of anyone that has tried this and what impact it had? Was it used with other treatment or just alone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #3 August 12, 2004 www.hsibaltimore.com go to forums, graviola and no I don't know anyone personally but found this searching to help my mother Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #4 August 12, 2004 How does Granola help cancer?? Sorry...all kidding aside, I'm sorry but I find it really hard to believe that an $18 bottle of herbal extract will cure cancer... I've been around cancer for years, and I think I've seen every kind of herb and treatment and hocus-pocus and everything else...most claims for supplements like 'shark cartillage' and crazy stuff was taken by people diagnosed with cancer, then upon returning to their doc after taking said miraculous cure, they were CANCER-FREE!!! (Fails to mention the astounding incidence of misdiagnosed cancer; false positives. The guy never had cancer in the first place, so he could have done anything...eaten 42 oranges, whatever...and claimed that it cured him. I have twin sons with Autism and we've run the gammet of BS herbal 'wonder-supplements' that Autistic children miraculously begin speaking when taking...provided you pay your $59.99 per month for your stock of product, if you please... Diseases are profitable, because people are so incredibly emotional about their health or their loved one's health that they'll do anything to see them get better. Sorry, not trying to rain on anyone's parade, and not trying to say that there isn't hope, because there IS ALWAYS hope; I've just been walking down this road since I was 10 years old and I can tell you exactly where it leads...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #5 August 12, 2004 I go by the "if it doesn't hurt, why not" philosophy. Scientists are still looking for cures for different cancers; whose to say the cure isn't herbal? I'm with you acme as far as being skeptical goes, though. Having recently lost two very special people to cancer, this definitely hits home for me. One of said people when he was diagnosed was given three months at best. He gave us three more years by fighting doing everything he possibly could; herbal tea, noni juice, experimental chemo at the Mayo clinic, regular chemo; EVERYTHING. So whose to say, all of that combined didn't give him that extra 2 years and 9 months? With all of those factors, you never know, but bottom line is he did everything he could. If it can't hurt, why not try it?Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #6 August 12, 2004 Quote If it can't hurt, why not try it? So true, that is the bottom line, isn't it? And we have noticed a slight improvement of attention at the time of beginning the supplement; however, they were also enrolled in various therapies, so who can tell for certain which caused what?? I won't put my babies through the process of elimination to figure out which thing worked for what: that would take literally years to nail down which therapy, teaching method, medication, tactic, supplement, diet, etc. did what...and my babies do not have years to spare...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #7 August 12, 2004 Cancer scares the living hell out of me. I eat a lot of garlic, tomatos, brocolli, and olive oil because of it. Most of my family that have died have kicked the bucket because of cancer. Vinny the AnvilVinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #8 August 12, 2004 http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/graviola.html Interesting read Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #9 August 12, 2004 That is interesting...and as PLFXpert mentioned above, I guess if it can't hurt, why not give it a shot?? Unfortunately too late for the most recent victim that I knew... Edit for bad spelling ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #10 August 12, 2004 ACME, off the subject of cancer (and since I haven't been around the forums for a while, I also was unaware you had an autistic child): I'm not sure where you're from, but here near Skydive Deland (a good excuse to come) we have a place called Marineland; where they have rescued marine mammals and keep those who can not return and survive in the wild. They also do a lot of marine biology reserach, etc. etc. Anywho, some of the dolphins they have, that were not able to return to the ocean, are used for treating autism in an experimental technique. They say autistic kids, even the first time they're ever in the water with them (not always the first time, though), seem to react in ways they never would ordinarily and become quite responsive. Again, it's one of those "alternative" medicine techniques, but one that I truly do believe in. Animals and other mammals (like dolphins) can offer something to kids that adults can not (and really, offer things to adults that other adults can not). I don't think I need to explain further, but if you ever plan a trip down this way, bring the kids and take them to Marineland. You might have to call them first, yadda, yadda, yadda. I actually tried to get a job helping with that program. Despite all my work with animals, they require a different degree than mine so I'm still stuck mortgage brokering. But, a GREAT program, nonethelessPaint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #11 August 12, 2004 QuoteACME, off the subject of cancer (and since I haven't been around the forums for a while, I also was unaware you had an autistic child): I'm not sure where you're from, but here near Skydive Deland (a good excuse to come) we have a place called Marineland; where they have rescued marine mammals and keep those who can not return and survive in the wild. They also do a lot of marine biology reserach, etc. etc. Anywho, some of the dolphins they have, that were not able to return to the ocean, are used for treating autism in an experimental technique. They say autistic kids, even the first time they're ever in the water with them (not always the first time, though), seem to react in ways they never would ordinarily and become quite responsive. Again, it's one of those "alternative" medicine techniques, but one that I truly do believe in. Animals and other mammals (like dolphins) can offer something to kids that adults can not (and really, offer things to adults that other adults can not). I don't think I need to explain further, but if you ever plan a trip down this way, bring the kids and take them to Marineland. You might have to call them first, yadda, yadda, yadda. I actually tried to get a job helping with that program. Despite all my work with animals, they require a different degree than mine so I'm still stuck mortgage brokering. But, a GREAT program, nonetheless That's awesome info, thanks!! I'll definitely look into it...we have been wanting to put them into a disabled kids' horseback riding program, but I was working full time so did not have time to take them (and it will require myself and another adult; both twins are severely Autistic and cannot be left to stand or sit by themselves; they have manic/rage attacks and run off screaming...) Funny coincidence, I was a mortgage trainer for a major bank...well, technically I still am for another 19 days until the lay-off goes through...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #12 August 13, 2004 Quoteboth twins are severely Autistic and cannot be left to stand or sit by themselves; they have manic/rage attacks and run off screaming...) Funny coincidence, I was a mortgage trainer for a major bank...well, technically I still am for another 19 days until the lay-off goes through... I understand, completely. My neighbor for two years when I was renting had an autistic child with the same outburts. He was WELL-KNOWN in our neighborhood, b/c bless her heart, the single-mother could not always keep up with him and he would run through anyone's house on the street who happened to leave their door unlocked. I ALWAYS check the locks (always have) and set the alarm, but we had some friends stay with us all summer one time and they always came in late and never locked the door. It was actually really funny. We got used to the child running in and jumping on our bed every morning. I even babysat him a couple times, even though, as a rule, I don't do babysitting, never did as a kid. I just felt she needed a break once in a while. Basically, I'd just keep a look out over him, while she cleaned house, or whatever. But, one good thing that came out of it, was I helped her get in to that program and Marineland, and also, my next-door neighbor had a turtle and NEVER locked his door, so every time the child ran in to his house, he'd play with the turtle and even began asking for the turtle! Just another example why I feel animals can be just a vital medicine to everyone.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #13 August 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteboth twins are severely Autistic and cannot be left to stand or sit by themselves; they have manic/rage attacks and run off screaming...) Funny coincidence, I was a mortgage trainer for a major bank...well, technically I still am for another 19 days until the lay-off goes through... I understand, completely. My neighbor for two years when I was renting had an autistic child with the same outburts. He was WELL-KNOWN in our neighborhood, b/c bless her heart, the single-mother could not always keep up with him and he would run through anyone's house on the street who happened to leave their door unlocked. I ALWAYS check the locks (always have) and set the alarm, but we had some friends stay with us all summer one time and they always came in late and never locked the door. It was actually really funny. We got used to the child running in and jumping on our bed every morning. I even babysat him a couple times, even though, as a rule, I don't do babysitting, never did as a kid. I just felt she needed a break once in a while. Basically, I'd just keep a look out over him, while she cleaned house, or whatever. But, one good thing that came out of it, was I helped her get in to that program and Marineland, and also, my next-door neighbor had a turtle and NEVER locked his door, so every time the child ran in to his house, he'd play with the turtle and even began asking for the turtle! Just another example why I feel animals can be just a vital medicine to everyone. -I did actually e-mail that program in Florida there that you told me about to ask if they have any partner companies/programs here on the West coast...and I told my husband about you and the program when he got home from duty last night, and he said "Wasn't I saying that it would be cool to get the boys to swim with dolphins??" He had just mentioned it a few weeks ago when some friends of ours mentioned that they went on a "Swimming with Dolphins" excursion in the Bahamas. Our boys run into other people's yards if they somehow break loose from our grasp...I lose about 10 years when they break free of my hold and run... most of the time they run straight into the street. We're getting a dog in a few months (when I'm home full-time) and I'm enrolling them in that horseback riding program. I almost bought our 3 kids a pony 4 years ago, but we didn't have anywhere that was reasonable enough for boarding. We drove all the way down to look at the horse and tack, and I even had the kids on her and she was great!! One of the twins liked to ride her, and the other liked to stand next to her and run his fingers up and down on her side (she was a very fuzzy Shetland ). And she was just a smidge headstrong for my daughter to ride with the rein herself, but I could have trained her to take the bit better.... ah bummer!! Soon though! We'll be buying property in So. Cal. to have a stable and runway in the next 2 years!! And once the DZ is operational, I already have close to a full staff waiting for it. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites