crwmike 0 #51 August 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteI've treated several 500+ pounders in the ERand ICU. Putting in a foley (urinary) catheter takes seven people (one with the catheter, two for each leg, one to pull back the abdominal fat and a labia spreader. The 'inserter' needs supplemental oxygen. One of these patients was pregnant (estimated 5' 4" and 700 lbs)and I've always wondered if it took seven people to accomplish the task. :) Mike, I'm calling bullshit on this. You're telling me that one man wanted to have sex with this Orca so much that he exerted the man-power of 7 people to get IN there? I have no idea of the logistical support required for conception. I do know what it took to get a urinary catheter in her (this in not an uncommon experience in ER). We might have been able to do it with six people, but it would have been tough. I'm pretty sure there are some people in here with hospital experience that can back me up on this. It's gospel, brother. Adipose Skies, Michael Wendy, lighten up. It's skydivers shooting the shit around the bonfire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #52 August 13, 2004 Quote cannot fathom this....it's just too unreal. The woman actually had a family too living with her! How on EARTH do you go for a period of 2-5 years, seeing your mum/wife on the couch in the same spot, day in day out for that time period, not even getting up to go to the toilet, cleaning up her bodily waste for that period of time, and actually live like that? Yeah, families can be strange.... you get so close and used to each other... eventually you get treated like part of the furniture! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #53 August 13, 2004 No, no, no. I didn't capitalize the "E". Pull yourself together!"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #54 August 13, 2004 QuoteI have no idea of the logistical support required for conception. A running start, a skateboard, a long hill, and lotsa jelly."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #55 August 13, 2004 Why is it someone else's fault that this woman had to be eating non stop and never moving to begin with? It isn't like she was tied to the couch and force fed. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #56 August 13, 2004 i'm confused - where did i imply it was anyone else's fault for her situation? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #57 August 13, 2004 Sorry, I just clicked on your post to hit reply to. There were a bunch of posts criticizing family, and definitely they should have noticed something was wrong and encouraged getting some help for it. But in the end, she fed herself, she sat her ass on the couch and never moved, and she chose not to get help. It is extremely sad for her, but like drug addicts that kill themselves with their addictions, you can't force someone to do what is best for them. And I agree completely with the post about how difficult it is to lose 200 lbs and how easy it is to gain it. If anyone said a lot of the things to me that were on here when I was huge, it would have crushed me and made it that much harder to lose the weight due to the depression. It's a vicious circle, you get depressed because you're huge, then don't give a damn about what goes in your mouth or how much you sleep because that's all you have the energy to do. It takes a huge amount of self determination to break the cycle and truly make your life your own. But it is something that really has to be done in one's own head, no one can force you to do so (yes, speaking from experience). Sure, sex with someone that large would certainly have it's logistical issues, I know it did with me, but look how many guys buy the porn and blow up dolls of women who are that big. If they didn't buy it there wouldn't be a market for it. Big women like to get laid too. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #58 August 13, 2004 ok np. yeah i agree - good points. All in all, a really incredible situation that is just unbelieveable to me - but tragic at the same time. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #59 August 13, 2004 QuoteBig women like to get laid too Is that a porn movie? __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #60 August 13, 2004 I prefered Big women like to get laid 3 personally. Sorry - not really a subject to joke about but I couldn't resist. Besides - he started it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #61 August 13, 2004 QuoteBut in the end, she fed herself, she sat her ass on the couch and never moved, and she chose not to get help. It is extremely sad for her, but like drug addicts that kill themselves with their addictions, you can't force someone to do what is best for them. except that you dont have to KEEP BRINGING the drug addicts their drugs, you might not be able to stop them from getting them, but you dont have to help the problem..... someone kept the trough full everyday for her to get that large in the first place... if she was cooking/aquiring her own meals she wouldnt have been grafted to the couch!!____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #62 August 13, 2004 Quoteexcept that you dont have to KEEP BRINGING the drug addicts their drugs, you might not be able to stop them from getting them, but you dont have to help the problem..... someone kept the trough full everyday for her to get that large in the first place... if she was cooking/aquiring her own meals she wouldnt have been grafted to the couch!! I've done home visits with people like this, 500+++ lbs, unable to move or get out of bed, house will need to lose a wall or two when they die, etc. They can be extremely nasty and unpleasant when they don't get fed, domineering and verbally abusive to those around them. They also have a phone and can easily order pizza themselves. There are always means to get what you want. It is a true addiction with these people, and if they go into 'withdrawl' have a lot of the same psychological effects. Some family members are strong enough to say no, others not. No matter how full the trough was, she fed herself and let herself get to the point where ambulation was impossible. It doesn't take family to get someone to that position, the cycle has to start somewhere and it isn't with them. Yes, they should have gotten help of some kind for her, even if it is a forklift so she could be bathed every so often. They didn't cause the problem though, only contributed, and definitely not blameless. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #63 August 13, 2004 Follow-up news stories on this affair: August 11 August 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,560 #64 August 13, 2004 Could you please post text? It requires a signin, and I'm about thought out on making up false addresses and the like... thanks Wendy W. Thanks John!Gonna see you at Ballunar?There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #65 August 13, 2004 QuoteCould you please post text? It requires a signin, and I'm about thought out on making up false addresses and the like... Okay, as long as the copyright police aren't watching. -- begin text -- Few knew she was there, lying alive but helpless on a couch amid squalor. No one called for help until it was too late. Gayle Grinds, 39, died Wednesday morning amid a large effort to rescue the 478-pound, 4-foot-10-inch woman from her run-down home after someone called 911 to say she was having trouble breathing. While the cause of her death was "morbid obesity," according to the Treasure Coast Medical Examiner, authorities are investigating how she could have deteriorated into such a dire condition. "The circumstances surrounding her death are unusual. We don't know what we have," said Sgt. Jenell Atlas, Martin County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman. "Was there someone taking care of her? Was someone supposed to be taking care of her? "We are certainly looking to see if there is neglect here," she said. An unpleasant smell reached out into the street from the small duplex in the 2600 block of S.E. Clayton Street. Trash, debris and human waste filled the home she had lived in for the last several years. There was no air conditioning. There were no fans. Neighbors said a senior citizen sat outside the home on an old yellow chair most days, but none of them knew who he was or that there was a woman inside. There had been little official trouble at the home. Deputies had only been called a handful of times in recent years for minor incidents unrelated to the woman, according to sheriff's records. The Council on Aging Community Coach shuttle had been to the home several times last year and once as recently as last March to pick up someone other than Grinds. Bus drivers would have notified someone if they had seen a problem, Roger Eckert, the head of Community Coach, said Wednesday. No one had called state authorities to report a problem either, an official from the Department of Children and Families said Wednesday. This is the life Grinds lived. For how long, authorities don't yet know. Sheriff's detectives were still trying to confirm who may have lived there with her or whether she had family and where they had been. Authorities said they still didn't know who was caring for her, how she was fed or if she received checks and who cashed them. Those who called 911 claimed to be family but their identities were still under investigation. No one answered the door on the other side of the duplex Wednesday afternoon. Other neighbors were shocked. "We didn't even know there was a woman in there. It's very sad," said Jerry Thomas, 47, who lives across the street. "I'm glad they got her out of that hell hole." That effort took more than a dozen fire rescue personnel working into the night, eventually bringing the woman out of the home on the couch and borrowing a flat bed trailer from Home Depot to take her to the hospital. She died at 3:12 a.m., Atlas said. "It was very sad, very tragic," she said, noting it was one of the worst incidents she had ever seen as a deputy. "There's no amount of training that can prepare you for this." Along with detectives, the DCF plans to look into the incident. "I wonder why we were never contacted," said Christine Demetriades, a DCF district spokeswoman. "We would become involved if there was a caregiver there that didn't give her appropriate care." At the same time, she urged anyone who sees such a situation to call her agency, which helps adults as well as children. -- end text -- The second story was almost identical to this one - it was basically just a repeat on the additional day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #66 August 15, 2004 QuoteI prefered Big women like to get laid 3 personally. Agreed. BWLGL2 was a crass commercial venture. With 3, they regained their artistic integrity. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #67 August 15, 2004 QuoteThe web site link has been changed since I posted it. All I heard on the news when it broke was 480. Never once heard 600. Listen to the news more. Don't nail yourself down to just one source of media (like the internet). Perhaps you should find another website that posts more accurate info. If you need suggestions let me know. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #68 August 15, 2004 QuoteFolks, fat isn't inherently disgusting, and it certainly doesn't render someone less than human. Not moving from the sofa until it's imbedded into your skin, and not leaving to void yourself is really gross and reallysad, and yes, the family needs an ass-kicking too. Many really fat people have families, friends, and lovers. They have lives, and they deserve them. Some are really fat because they lack the simplest of self-control; others combine a lack of education with some depression, some with metabolisms that are not as sturdy. And there's a bunch of other reasons, too. It's a lot more work to lose 200 lbs than it is not to put it on in the first place -- apparently it's really really hard to lose a lot of weight, even with surgery. Consider saying some of the things that I've heard in this thread to someone's face. There are folks on the website who have been really fat in the past and lost the weight -- which of them are you willing to say that to in person? I completely agree with your post Wendy. It is truly a sad story. A large part of this lady's problem must have been mental. She literally killed herself, did she not? What a shame that not enough help was given to her when she began to abuse her body and mind like that. Someone should have stepped in and helped her to help herself because it is obvious that she had no control over this food addiction and also had no respect or dignity left for herself. I still don't understand her whole potty situation, but maybe it's for the best... Very, very sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyOwnWay 0 #69 August 15, 2004 i just lost my appetite. . . i think i am going to throw up now _________________________________________ all good things are wild and free - Henry David Thoreau Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #70 August 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe web site link has been changed since I posted it. All I heard on the news when it broke was 480. Never once heard 600. Listen to the news more. Don't nail yourself down to just one source of media (like the internet). Perhaps you should find another website that posts more accurate info. If you need suggestions let me know. "600" is what was in the original story. If you don't like that fact, tough shit. If you're calling me a liar - you can kiss my ass. If you're suggesting that nobody should post any stories until they've confirmed days later that no known facts have changed, then tough shit again. And since you have no idea of what my variety of news sources are, you have no business suggesting that I am "nailed down" to just one source. Perhaps you should lighten the fuck up, quit jumping to conclusions, and quit being an asshole. And while I'm at it, why don't you grow some balls and quit hiding behind your anonymous screen I.D. here if you're going to be critical of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #71 August 15, 2004 Hear, hear ! Well said. Unfortunately, you probably gave this long-term troll exactly the reaction he was looking for. Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
