swoopfly 7 #1 January 14, 2010 hey there has to be a way around this?? I have a cypres with 4 months left but am going in for a repack. I have read since it will expire within the repack date that my rigger will not be able to pack the cypres in it. Now this just plain out sucks....i have a good cypres for the next 4 months and cannot use it???? is there anyway around this, i read on one thread that some riggers can expire the pack job to the date of the cypres is this true? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #2 January 14, 2010 Quotehey there has to be a way around this?? I have a cypres with 4 months left but am going in for a repack. I have read since it will expire within the repack date that my rigger will not be able to pack the cypres in it. Now this just plain out sucks....i have a good cypres for the next 4 months and cannot use it???? is there anyway around this, i read on one thread that some riggers can expire the pack job to the date of the cypres is this true? A rigger can pack the rig with a Cypres that will expire before the 180-day scheduled repack as long as the unit is up-to-date on service/battery. But on the day the unit's lifetime expires, the rig can no longer be legally jumped until the unit is removed from the rig. MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raftman 12 #3 January 14, 2010 One way around it: have him pull the thing out and jump {gasp} without it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swoopfly 7 #4 January 14, 2010 QuoteQuotehey there has to be a way around this?? I have a cypres with 4 months left but am going in for a repack. I have read since it will expire within the repack date that my rigger will not be able to pack the cypres in it. Now this just plain out sucks....i have a good cypres for the next 4 months and cannot use it???? is there anyway around this, i read on one thread that some riggers can expire the pack job to the date of the cypres is this true? A rigger can pack the rig with a Cypres that will expire before the 180-day scheduled repack as long as the unit is up-to-date on service/battery. But on the day the unit's lifetime expires, the rig can no longer be legally jumped until the unit is removed from the rig. Mike thanks mike, i actually called to ask you this question. As you will be the one packing it., I am glad that the system has seen this flaw in the legal issues and allows this. i read other forums that said the rigger could not do that, i guessed they got some sense and said well the unit is good and in date why shouldent they be able to use it for that time......thanks for the quick response Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #5 January 14, 2010 After they introduced the 180-day repack cycle, the FAA issued a clarification that said that a rigger may repack a reserve if the AAD will "expire" before the end of the repack cycle. Most riggers will note the last "legal" day on the invoice and some riggers will write it on the packing data card. A few riggers even post-date the repack date so that the repack "expires" on the same day as the AAD. By "expire" I mean time-expired batteries, past its 4-year check or past its 12 year retirement date. If you buy a good (e.g. conforming to the manufacturer's maintenance schedule) AAD half-way through your current repack, then the original rigger will usually install it for half the cost of a repack. Rob Warner FAA Master Rigger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 January 14, 2010 QuoteBut on the day the unit's lifetime expires, the rig can no longer be legally jumped until the unit is removed from the rig. Can you please explain where this legal status comes from? The FAA doesn't require an AAD, so that wouldn't seem to be the source of this rule. The manufacturer can't tell you what's legal for you to jump - they don't make law. I'm not being a smart-ass, I want to understand where you're coming from here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #7 January 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteBut on the day the unit's lifetime expires, the rig can no longer be legally jumped until the unit is removed from the rig. Can you please explain where this legal status comes from? The FAA doesn't require an AAD, so that wouldn't seem to be the source of this rule. The manufacturer can't tell you what's legal for you to jump - they don't make law. I'm not being a smart-ass, I want to understand where you're coming from here. When it is expires, you are now jumping a non-airworthy item in your reserve container. FAR Part 105 Section 43 (c) does state that "If installed, the automatic activation device must be maintained in accordance with manufacturer instructions for that automatic activation device." MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apogee77 0 #8 January 14, 2010 I don't know what your CYPRES date of mfg. is but remember you get +6 months from that date for service life. Will Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutingstar 1 #9 January 14, 2010 QuoteI don't know what your CYPRES date of mfg. is but remember you get +6 months from that date for service life. Will Plus 3 months for original Cypres. Plus 6 months for Cypres2. MikeChutingStar.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 280 #10 January 14, 2010 Chutingstar provided your answer JohnRich. But you can always try claiming that it's now a paperweight (with a cool LCD display), not an AAD in your rig. Rip the labels off it, just like taking the orange 'TSO label' off a reserve canopy (Though AAD's aren't actually TSO'd). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #11 January 14, 2010 QuoteWhen it is expires, you are now jumping a non-airworthy item in your reserve container. FAR Part 105 Section 43 (c) does state that "If installed, the automatic activation device must be maintained in accordance with manufacturer instructions for that automatic activation device." Thank you, Mike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #12 January 16, 2010 Quote A rigger can pack the rig with a Cypres that will expire before the 180-day scheduled repack as long as the unit is up-to-date on service/battery. Mike, Where did you get that info? It is not written in any FAR, just a document from SSK as far as I know. Anyway it's funny that This came up now. The(FAA) are having meeting next week in Washington on that very subject. I just got an email from the legal department that that they are moving on this ASAP. BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #13 January 16, 2010 Quote After they introduced the 180-day repack cycle, the FAA issued a clarification that said that a rigger may repack a reserve if the AAD will "expire" before the end of the repack cycle. Rob, The FAA never issued any Clarification. A memorandum was issued, but it merely stated that nothing regarding AAD maintenance had changed with the 180 day repack cycle. Basically, maintence most be performed to keep it airworthy. I am too tied up here at Dewolf's to look for the document , but it is on the PIA website as I recall. BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #14 January 17, 2010 Here is the FAA Notice and the PIA TB-252. As usual it can be taken different ways. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
