Aleksei Nemov

[lewmonst 0]

I don't know much about gymnastics, but he was robbed in the high bar. If I were Paul Hamm, I'd give my medal to Aleksei. Aleksei's routine was far more impressive than Paul and their landings were comprable.

just my opinion.
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lew

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I don't know much about gymnastics, but he was robbed in the high bar. If I were Paul Hamm, I'd give my medal to Aleksei. Aleksei's routine was far more impressive than Paul and their landings were comprable.

just my opinion.
peace
lew

I also felt that Hamm should've said something like "Nemov won the gold today" during the interview. but he's already been under extra pressure and it has nothing to do with him anyway.

The numbers (9.6, 9.65) were unfuckingbelievable, but what the judges did after they were rightfully boo'ed was simply an insult - they dropped two scores (9.6 & 9.8) in such a way that Nemov hasn't moved up the leader board. That's an insult to the russians. They'd better left the numbers unchanged.

on a side note - does watching the olympiads make any of you wanna start training in a sport that's new to you? it does in my case!

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[SBS 0]

I think I would be more upset if I were the Korean dude. Now THAT sucks.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

Hey Lew I feel the judging in this event was just out to lunch today. I'm not sure if the Italian or Aleksei had the better routine (they were both awesome), but for sure it was better than Hamm's routine. Paul Hamm did do well and I thought he had the 3rd best performance. But Aleksei was robbed tonight as his routine (while not perfect with the landing) was inspirational to say the least. It should have been:

Gold: Aleksei
Silver: The Italian
Bronze: Hamm

But hey you know what event I've enjoyed the most? Womens beach volleyball (of course it doesn't hurt that I too am a beach volleyball player). The men are faster and more powerful than the women. But the women's matches are better as the rallies are longer and it's just more fun to watch. Of course maybe I'm bias as well as maybe I just like watching athletic women roll around in the sand.

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[PD126r 0]

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I don't know much about gymnastics, but he was robbed in the high bar. If I were Paul Hamm, I'd give my medal to Aleksei.

You americans are pretty funny. Paul Hamm wasn't in any position to give a gold medal to anyone. He didn't win. In fact he wasn't even close to Igor Cassin, the Italian that did win (now, that's _my_ opinion..).
I agree with you, Lew, that the judges were too hard on Nemov, but it really didn't matter much, since even after the score correction, he still ended up short.
He's still got like 12 Olympic medals though. No doubt he's en excelent gymnast

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Same shit happened in the vault competition where the Canadian should have gotten bronze.

Guy who end up winning bronze and the head judge are from teh same country...

In all these "artistic" sports I get the feeling these medals are up for sale more than anything else.

[kelel01 1]

He was robbed, but not by more than .038 of a point-- he did not win the gold, and rightfully so. No matter how much difficulty you pack into a routine, it can only be worth a 10.0, and that step he took at the end was easily a .15 to a .2 step-- it was huge! I REALLY appreciate that he was so classy, but Paul Hamm earned a 9.812, and Nemov didn't, all because of that landing. Tough nuts for him, but he has 12 Olympic medals already. I think he'll be ok.

Kelly

[tigra 0]

I thought both the Hamm brothers performed very well, but their release moves were not as spectacular as Alexsei Nemov's or the Italian guy who won. I also thought Morgan Hamm should have placed above the Japanese guy who took the bronze since he stuck his landing and the other guy did not. But Alexsei should definitely have been on the podium for at the very least a silver medal.

Its a shame the Olympics and some really great performances had to be marred by some really bad judging though.

[happythoughts 0]

AN was robbed. His moves were incredible.

[jakee 1,571]

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In all these "artistic" sports I get the feeling these medals are up for sale more than anything else.

Didn't the same thing happen in the ice skating back in the winter olympics? I seem to remember some major controversy over the French or Russian judges or something.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[tigra 0]

I don't think this is the same situation. It seemed like the judging was bad, but not biased for or against any nation or individual. It just seemed more obvious in the men's gymnastics, but more than one American got "robbed" as well.

On the women's side in the all around, the anorexic Russian chick got an extremely generous score on the uneven bars, but a low score on the vault. The two scores probably evened themselves out! And last night, Mohini Bhardwan (sp) was underscored on her floor exercise routine. I personally think she should have medaled.

[Bodyflight.Net 0]

As an ex competitive gymnast, I can say with passion that Aleksei did not deserve a medal.
He made 2 crucial mistakes and his score was dropped accordingly.. even after 10 minutes of an unruly crowd, Hamm got up there and did his thing beautifully, with only 1 mistake. Now THAT is talent.

The Italian made 1 mistake and performed original stunts that scored well.

The only thing I was unimpressed with was Aleksei obviously revving up the crowd in his favor. I was delighted to see he and they were NOT rewarded highly.. even after Re-Scoring he still didn't cut the mustard.

GO USA!

[kelel01 1]

I agree 110%. Just see my post.
Kelly

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I have no clue what was going on in the equestrian event

Me Neither!!! Gymnastics is my thing!
Thanks for speaking your mind!

[Stumpy 284]

I kind of agree, but i kind of don't. To the letter of the law, yes the result was correct, Hamm did a good routine inch perfect and was scored for it.
However, if this is the way competitions are to be scored from now on, there will be no development in the sport because it will not pay anyone to do it. Gymnastics evolves because start values get degraded and i think thats what should have happened here, people doing a single release and a fairly safe routine should NOT get a 10.0 start value. That should be reserved for the people who are strong, skilful and brave enough to do 4 Katchevs in a row, immediately followed by a ginga (never could spell those)!
But this is an argument that pops up evey time to some extent or another so i don't expect it will ever really be solved.
On the plus side, they are all superhuman and very impressive (I used to do a bit of H bar and i know how hard it is just to swing round a few times), and huge credit to the Hamm brother who went after Nemov and managed to block out the disruption.
I did think the Italian deserved to win though

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[kelel01 1]

To Paul's credit, he did three release moves, which is more than most people do . . . and most routines with only 1 release move WOULDN'T be valued at a 10.0. The simple fact is, Aleksei didn't need 6 release moves for a 10.0 start value, but he chose to do them anyway, kind of to show off, IMO. Regardless of what you do, they cannot start a routine off with an 11.0 start value. Once enough people start doing 6 release moves, the bar for start values will have to be set higher, and THEN people will have a right to bitch when something like this happens. The sport is CONSTANTLY dropping the value of bonus moves and start values . . . maybe it's time to do it again for men's high bar, but the fact is, that's not the way it was ON THAT DAY.

Kelly

[Stumpy 284]

Sorry 3 not 1 Its late in the day and i never could count!
Like i said, basically i agree with you. I'm just a sucker for the crowd pleasing stuff!

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[kelel01 1]

Yeah, I could tell that you know what you're talking about. I was clarifying for others.

Kelly

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People are upset is because the difficulty of AN's routine makes no difference in the scoring. I think they need to revamp the scoring to encourage people to push farther.
Can you imaging a swoop competition where they said sorry dude, you went 500' but you didn't have that great of a landing; so, the guy flying the 210 wins with 100', 'cause that's the maximum distance we're gonna judge you by?

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[Stumpy 284]

i still think they are all aliens though. First time i switched it on this year i was thinking they all looked even shorter and broader than normal, till i realised i was watching it in widescreen

But really, 8 foot wide shoulders and a 3 inch waist?

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[kelel01 1]

Like I said, the sport constantly evolves . . . it might be time for high bar's requirements to be bumped up a bit. But based on the way they score at that time, Nemov did not need to do all of those release moves for his 10.0 start value, and he and his coaches were WELL AWARE of that fact.

The routines that Nadia Comaneci did to receive perfect 10's on wouldn't even be worth a 5.0 nowadays, so the sport does change-- a lot. Vault start values have dropped DRAMATICALLY in the past 4 years alone. Once scores start consistently reaching 9.8-ish, they'll raise the bar again.

Kelly

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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I can say with passion that Aleksei did not deserve a medal. He made 2 crucial mistakes and his score was dropped accordingly.

We all know that his landing was not clean (mistake #1), but what was his 2nd mistake? Keep in mind I have an untrained eye.

In retrospective, I think the medal results were almost right. The Italian had the best routine and deserved the gold and Hamm did do well and should get the silver. But the question was who should get the bronze? If Aleksei did indeed make two mistakes, then maybe he shouldn't get the bronze (but his rountine minus the landing was still awesome). The other Hamm brother did have a good landing, but he only did one release move and years ago this release move might have been considered difficult, but compared to the Japanese guy, it was easy. But the Japanese guy only did one release move as well (albeit a really cool flip) and his landing wasn't clean. The Gold and Silver was awarded correctly, but who deserved the bronze? The Japansese guy, Aleksei or the other Hamm brother? In my untrained eye, these multiple difficult release moves must count for something. But so does a good landing.

I know ... blame Canada!!!

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[Stumpy 284]

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they'll raise the bar again

they won't be able to reach it soon.
Oops sorry, bad joke, just couldn't help it

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[Remster 30]

***I know ... blame Canada!!!
Speaking of which,

we just won gold in women's indoor bike sprint! Yeah!

Remster

[Stumpy 284]

Good question.
I was never much interested in how to judge expertly, but if the start values are all the same, the content of the routine is irrelevant - hence Kele01's point, its just down to the mistakes they make. Most of the time the judges themselves don't agree so its not that clear cut. A slightly offline body position here, an unpointed toe there, a bent arm.... I'd have to watch it again but i still don't know if i could split it. (gut feel would probably be Nemov but like i said, i just like the spectacular stuff)

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