Anyone tired of these fatalities?

[dgskydive 0]

I'll tell you who is pathetic. People that feel the need to put others down for the way they feel.

What is pathetic is skydivers that don't feel a connection in at least some way to what others may be feeling when someone goes in. Now the Greenies are worried aboutpersonal attacks. IMHO this thread was started as a personal attack against a bunch of people on DZ.com.

Ever heard of the old expression, "If you can't sat anything nice, then say nothing at all."

You guys feel the need to call people Post Whores and the like. I think youguys need to llok at yourselves in the mirror. Imagine if you went in. Wouldn't you want your family and friends to see how great this sport is. How wonderful the people are and how we all feel attached to each other in some way. To see that you died doing something that you love and that you probablyhad no regrets from the way you went.

Nobody says you have to feel like the rest of us. Nobody said you had to give vibes or send prayers. Nobody asked you to do anything. Yet you felt the need to make fun of others for caring and now you don't like it when they speak the truth.

Dom

[JRock 0]

AMEN!!!!!!

[crwmike 0]

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Two were sincerely emotionally involved, the rest were there for ...other reasons. I still have hopes that people will be noble and caring ...but that so rarely is the case. I wish it wasn't so, but it is. I could be off base, but my conclusions are based on broad experience.

Isn't it good to know that there is an emotional psychic out there who can tap into a person's heart and know exactly what they are feeling even though they may have a hard time expressing themselves or does not do so in a way that others read easily?

Jen who wept her eyes out in private when my grandfather died, but played stoic oldest granddaughter for everyone else to lean on when anyone was around. Guess that makes me heartless and unemotional.

Jen,

Would you react the same way to a skydiver with thousands of jumps and many years of experience who perceived things in skydives that you were oblivious to? They point out nuances of movement and position that you don't have the knowledge and experience to perceive ...and you jump their shit!? Every time I listen to Mike Lewis debrief a large CRW dive, I am amazed at what he sees and comments on.

This is what I do, darlin. It's been my work for a quarter of a century and when you spend that amount of time dealing with death, survivors and the interpersonal reactions that surround the event, you learn a few things. So, I ask you, do you believe it possible that I am referring to things you do not see or understand?

Sorry you feel my words deprive you of your personal experience.

Michael

[Bigwallmaster 0]

KBone I can tell that if we ever met face to face, I would mostly certainly think your asshole.

Having said that, if you happened to die whether it be your own fault or not, I would care. Why? Because you are one of the few people in this world who is part of the community that I have grown to love. I look at every member of our community as being the same; we are all people that are unified by the common interest of living life (in the physical sense) as risk takers. I care when someone in our community dies because I know one thing for sure: they weren't one of those stupid whuffos that frequently asks me why I skydive.

You see it's very simple, to say that you don't care when one of our fellow skydivers dies shows that you are an incredibly selfish man. Heaven forbid you take some time out of your busy life to pay homage to someone that shares in the same community you do. It's no surprise that you don't like ash dives or tributes, for those of us who choose to participate in them are not selfish like you.

As far as your reference to the 300 cliche posts that appear on dropzone.com after someone dies, my only comment would be that this is just one additional way for those of us who do care to cope through the grieving process. It's nice to read others peoples thoughts and learn about how they are coping through this time. And perhaps we'll learn something interesting about the deceased person by reading these tributes. In fact we may learn something positive that we can apply to our own lives. No one is forcing you to read those posts. If you don't like it, feel free turn off your computer.

Cheers,

J.P. Nelis

[TheBachelor 5]

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I'll tell you who is pathetic. People that feel the need to put others down for the way they feel.

What is pathetic is skydivers that don't feel a connection in at least some way to what others may be feeling when someone goes in. Now the Greenies are worried aboutpersonal attacks. IMHO this thread was started as a personal attack against a bunch of people on DZ.com.

Ever heard of the old expression, "If you can't sat anything nice, then say nothing at all."

You guys feel the need to call people Post Whores and the like. I think youguys need to llok at yourselves in the mirror. Imagine if you went in. Wouldn't you want your family and friends to see how great this sport is. How wonderful the people are and how we all feel attached to each other in some way. To see that you died doing something that you love and that you probablyhad no regrets from the way you went.

Nobody says you have to feel like the rest of us. Nobody said you had to give vibes or send prayers. Nobody asked you to do anything. Yet you felt the need to make fun of others for caring and now you don't like it when they speak the truth.

Dom -- I couldn't agree with you more.

Terry

There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years...

[skybytch 273]

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KBone I can tell that if we ever met face to face, I would mostly certainly think your asshole.

Rule #1. No personal attacks.

For everyone - next one gets the thread locked.

[crwmike 0]

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KBone I can tell that if we ever met face to face, I would mostly certainly think your asshole.

Rule #1. No personal attacks.

For everyone - next one gets the thread locked.

How bout dealing with the offenders and leave the thread alone?

[dgskydive 0]

This thread started as a personal attack against good people anyway.

Kbone stirred up some feelings. If he can't stand the heat then he should get out of the kitchen.

Dom

[tunaplanet 0]

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How bout dealing with the offenders and leave the thread alone?

How about you let the mods do their job. I'm pretty sure they don't need your input to make intelligent decisions. Skybytch is smart enough to know what needs to be done.

Forty-two

[dgskydive 0]

Wondering. Did you need to say anything to him?
Did Lisa ask you to speak for her?

Or can you just read her mind like you can the people that decided to say something nice about Adria or needed to vent some feelings.

YOU should let Lisa do her job.

Mike made a very resonable request from her. Take out the offenders and leave the others alone.

Dom

[tunaplanet 0]

Thanks for your input but we'll just let the mods do their jobs. Thanks.

Forty-two

[teason 0]

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This thread started as a personal attack against good people anyway

I thought the tread started as a question about becoming desensitized to fatalities.

It does happen. Not because anyone is a bad person.

Some of us that are desensitized also feel guilt about it. We shouldn't, we should help others move on and learn the lesson that prevent a fatality from becoming meaningless.

Questions about motivation behind sympathy came later with erroneous interpretations of the motivations of the thread.

Noone want to get good at doing funerals but some of us are. And we hate the fact the we keep pulling our "good suit" out of mothballs.

I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

[skybytch 273]

"Do I have to stop this car and separate you two?"

Let's get back to the topic, 'kay?

[tunaplanet 0]

If you're my mom I need to confess...I have been really bad and need to be punished. Shall I go to your room or mine?

Forty-two

[Conundrum 1]

lol, *sigh*

[Kbone 0]

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I thought the thread started as a question about becoming desensitized to fatalities.

Yes, my original post did start with a question followed by an observation.

So far I have seen a huge contrast between more experienced jumpers vs. newbies.

This didn't suprise me. That is why the original post was targeted towards the more seasoned jumper.

The responses posted by the more accomplished skydivers have been amazing and very insightful.

Many of the responses from the newer jumpers on the other hand have been quite predictable.

[skycop806 0]

Boy...now your post reminds me of my profession...

Cops become so jaded in their beliefs after time..you begin to look at a Boy Scout leader and think 'he's a pervert". Or wonder how much pot the long hair hippy freak just smoked...

It's like that with death as well. I've seen people cry and hurl their guts out at the scene of a very gorey homicide scene or accident scene.

We all have coping mechanisms. You've just shrunk down your coping mechanism.

I read the fatality reports. Why? Because I want to learn what went wrong so I can AVOID it! It's ok to remember the person..just don't dote on it for long periods of time...instead, acknowledge the loss, grab your friends, and look forward to new experiences!!

Remember, though..cops are people, too!